aMT, freebase or salt?

[Bagseed]

imo, if the appearence is pretty much the same, i would not worry much and, like justin said, assume that it is as potent as it was before. i think people often describe degraded tryptamines as a brown goo rather than powder.
is this a salt or the freebase? salts are considered more stable than the fb.

 

[t6apb]

this is the freebase, it looks lighter in colour than i remember, but im not sure

 

[Achten]

I have had aMT in a rizla in the drawer for a year and in the fridge for several years.
People always say aMT is prone to degradation but I haven't noticed anything. Even 4HO-x's, they may change color, but not potency.

You'll have fun !

On a related note, would this be one dose for you ?
I have used 2 - 45mg of this chemical.
2mg to have a wonderful day without anyone noticing anything, 25mg to go to a club and 40mg for an electronic music event. I see no reason to go above 50mg, actually .

 

[Zazen]

As others have said it should be safe as long as it hasn't noticeably degraded (i'm sure i saw somewhere that when heavily degraded it went a dark brown colour).

If you do take it can you please post and let us know how/if the potency has changed? AMT Freebase is notorious for degrading quickly yet many reports seem to indicate that it's not as bad as thought, and I'm sure many would like to know for when AMT gets scheduled

 

[TryptamineBunny]

My supplier insists I have the freebase form of this substance, yet it readily dissolves in (warm) water. This has left me confused. Its appearance is a fluffy white powder, almost flour like. It is my understanding that freebase alkaloids do not dissolve in water, but is this true of aMT?

Is there another test I can do to establish its form?

 

[tragiclemming]

The freebase will melt and smoke when heated on foil. The salt will not (with a gas lighter).
If it dissolves, I'd be fairly certain it is a salt.

 

[TryptamineBunny]

The freebase will melt and smoke when heated on foil. The salt will not (with a gas lighter).

My MPA which i believe is in salt form will melt and vapourize on foil. My understanding is that the salt forms are more stable and this serves to increase the melting point. But i could still melt and vapourize it from foil using a candle, albeit only just.

I will try this however, thanks for this suggestion, as a candle/lighter flame can only go so hot so might be below the melting point of a stable salt..

If it dissolves, I'd be fairly certain it is a salt.

That is my understanding too. I got my supplier to actually check with the technical department, and even with the dissolving in water aspect shared, they still assured me it was the freebase...

 

[tragiclemming]

MPA isn't aMT aMT fumarate salt has MP of 200-203 deg celsius and the freebase, 98-100. Ionic salts are generally thermally more stable than their molecular parent, but each compound is different, so comparing MPA to aMT isn't a fair comparison.

I got my supplier to actually check with the technical department

Do you feel lucky?

 

[TryptamineBunny]

MPA isn't aMT aMT fumarate salt has MP of 200-203 deg celsius and the freebase, 98-100. Ionic salts are generally thermally more stable than their molecular parent, but each compound is different, so comparing MPA to aMT isn't a fair comparison.

Noted, thank you so much for the information.

Do you feel lucky?

Thank you for making me truly LOL

I just put a pile on a piece of foil and gently melted and vaporized it with a low flame (but it also dissolves in water). I sniffed the vapour and it was very pleasant feeling. Oh dear, I think that move may have consequences. Surpringly after most was vapourized i was left with an almost azure green film on the foil! Very pretty. Further heating turned it black. I guess when it all comes down to it, you have to push the rats to one side and test for real.

And now your question has even greater relevance. Im going to go with yes as the answer at this time!

(update) Have never tried this compound before. One gentle sniff, just enough to discern a smell and no more, and i am smiling and feeling half my normal weight.

No wonder the Russians used this as an antidepressant.

 

[tragiclemming]

And now your question has even greater relevance. Im going to go with yes as the answer at this time!

That's the spirit! Be safe.

 

[Anon0631]

Isn't the freebase orange? I remember reading this somewhere.

 

[Solipsis]

No the freebase is not orange, but it is prone to go gooey and turn into a very dirty and sticky tan color if not stored properly. The freebase also tends to be very stinky compared to the salt which hardly smells at all, and is rather flower / incense scented like DMT than reeking of shit or manure like skatoles.

If it doesn't take a lot of effort to dissolve your AMT in cold water and you see it reacting and breaking down into solution rather than awkwardly floating on top like a little film/layer, plus if it is hardly smelly (when dry), you probably have the salt form. Also, if it is the salt if you leave a little bit of it in a plastic baggie open to the air/ ambient oxygen it should still be fine after a day. But the freebase is likely to start reeking to high heaven. Not sure how quickly you would see it change visually like getting sticky or tan...

Another test that *may* work, is to place some of your AMT in a glass vial and hold it in boiling water. In degrees centigrade (Celsius), water boils at 100*C - aMT freebase starts melting at 97*C when pure, can be lower if not entirely pure - but aMT salts melt around 150*C depending on which one you have. So if you are able to bring the temperature to 100*C, the freebase should melt or start to, and the salt won't. Be careful to protect the aMT completely from water otherwise it will just dissolve instead of melt, of course.

This should be enough info for you. Obviously we cannot truly analyze your compound, the above tests are indications but only a lab can say what you've got. This thread is scheduled to be closed but I have no problem keeping it open for TryptamineBunny to comment or ask something.

 

[TryptamineBunny]

It doesn't smell strongly, and hasnt degraded in the month or so i have had it stored away from freezers.

Which means we now point back to the salt form. Im glad not to feel stupid for not being sure, as the confusion continues here. I did the foil test suggested above, but i see no reason why a candle/gas lighter couldnt reach the melting point of either salt or freebase, and foil isnt exactly the easiest medium upon which to get a reliable temperature reading, even over a 100 degs C.

Thank you for your information Solipsis, but why are you in such a hurry to close the thread? Such threads can promote constructive and perfectly legal discussion. While aMT may be fairly benign, there could one day be a substance for which the difference is crucial, and a thread such as this may provide the best possible harm reduction.

I am going to try your vial in boiling water suggestion, thanks for that.

 

[Solipsis]

Well I guess it is a reflex with all threads that have an IDing element in them. For those threads there is a couple of things that merely indicate something or other / basically it is pointed out that the involved substances have certain physical properties that can be checked. Other than that, what else is there?

Also, this is a recurrent topic and we want to limit having scraps about it all over the place. So what I can do alternatively, is combine the scraps into a central point where everyone may find these tips.

aMT HCl should be white, or just off white powder that will dissolve quite readily in plain old cold water. The freebase won't dissolve in water without something to help it along. I use vodka and coke as often as not with mine. The freebase I've seen over the last 12-18 months has always been orange, one a dirty, dark orange almost brick-dusty in colour, the other being a much lighter and brighter pale orange. Can't say as I noticed much difference between the two, both performing as expected. The freebase will run on foil quite easily so you can chase it. Not so with the HCl i'm led to believe.

 

[TryptamineBunny]

^^ Thanks again. My confidence levels in my supplier have been adjusted.

 

[Sepher]

Cheers for digging the quote out Solipsis, saved me having to do it and cutting and pasting.

Isn't the freebase orange? I remember reading this somewhere.

aMT I've seen more recently is mostly now a quite pale tan / almost cream colour, seems way more common now than the orange stuff I was mostly getting before when my previous post was made though that is still about here and there at times. The tan stuff doesn't smell nearly as bad as some I've had but it's still very floral at least. Strong enough to be off-putting in a glass washed down in a drink, it's not a pleasant smell!

I just put a pile on a piece of foil and gently melted and vaporized it with a low flame (but it also dissolves in water). I sniffed the vapour and it was very pleasant feeling. Oh dear, I think that move may have consequences. Surpringly after most was vapourized i was left with an almost azure green film on the foil! Very pretty. Further heating turned it black. I guess when it all comes down to it, you have to push the rats to one side and test for real.

When I tried a little HCl it didn't melt at all, just frazzed and blackened on the spot still a solid. The residue is odd. Freebase I've always had runs beautifully and absolutely clear, it doesn't leave a residue to speak of hardly at all. Not sure what's going on there cos just going by the solkubility I'd say it's a salt you've got as per Solipsis' post.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

It doesn't smell strongly, and hasnt degraded in the month or so i have had it stored away from freezers.

Which means we now point back to the salt form. Im glad not to feel stupid for not being sure, as the confusion continues here. I did the foil test suggested above, but i see no reason why a candle/gas lighter couldnt reach the melting point of either salt or freebase, and foil isnt exactly the easiest medium upon which to get a reliable temperature reading, even over a 100 degs C.

Thank you for your information Solipsis, but why are you in such a hurry to close the thread? Such threads can promote constructive and perfectly legal discussion. While aMT may be fairly benign, there could one day be a substance for which the difference is crucial, and a thread such as this may provide the best possible harm reduction.

I am going to try your vial in boiling water suggestion, thanks for that.

The aMT in my stash is freebase for sure, might have lost potence or have become inactive.
But its color hardly changed, did loose partly that smell.

But I ll dump some in tap water and see what happens. Report back on it in this post.
After i showered and some other daily maintenance shit.

Take in account its 25 years old which might have influence, i have idea how chemicals react over time.
But we will know if it floaths or disolves. And the mystery is partly solved.
Only after testing if its still active it will be more credible.

Edit: doesnt disolve or floath but precipetates at the bottom in tap water.
And its freebase, as it vaped like it was made for it. Had a boron glass ball vape with a tube which worked perfect.

To bad only one select group will benefit.The ones that cant or lost their smell.
Revived a thread from 12 years ago.

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[RyGly76]

imo, if the appearence is pretty much the same, i would not worry much and, like justin said, assume that it is as potent as it was before. i think people often describe degraded tryptamines as a brown goo rather than powder.
is this a salt or the freebase? salts are considered more stable than the fb.

SALT, SALT, AND FIND A WOMAN TO PLAY WITH!

 

[Rezimodnar]

The aMT in my stash is freebase for sure, might have lost potence or have become inactive.
But its color hardly changed, did loose partly that smell.

But I ll dump some in tap water and see what happens. Report back on it in this post.
After i showered and some other daily maintenance shit.

Take in account its 25 years old which might have influence, i have idea how chemicals react over time.
But we will know if it floaths or disolves. And the mystery is partly solved.
Only after testing if its still active it will be more credible.

Edit: doesnt disolve or floath but precipetates at the bottom in tap water.
And its freebase, as it vaped like it was made for it. Had a boron glass ball vape with a tube which worked perfect.

To bad only one select group will benefit.The ones that cant or lost their smell.
Revived a thread from 12 years ago.

[url=https://postimg.cc/9RGcqk9h][/URL]

My amt freebase (vacuum sealed, freezed) bought in 2010 still smells gross and slightly changed its color to more beige/dirty yellow.
In contrast my amt succinate (RT, vacuum sealed) from ~2013 did not change at all, still white and odor free.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

My amt freebase (vacuum sealed, freezed) bought in 2010 still smells gross and slightly changed its color to more beige/dirty yellow.
In contrast my amt succinate (RT, vacuum sealed) from ~2013 did not change at all, still white and odor free.

Its not my nose for sure, i have what Billie Eilish worded nicely, 'the nose'. Like they implanted a enhancer.
Getting better over the years, and if memorys are realistic. Its lost that potent odour, though its still there.

Unlike what it looked like, yellowish/ beige was actually the degraded plastic. As the powder on the knife is white.
And it has laid dark cool, but not cooled. 7 years. 5 years exposed to heat in summer, and the fridge before that.
So it in pretty good shape, maybe 25 years old? Wild guess as it was my first bought RC along with 5-Meo-DIPT.
Didnt like either one. So they became collector items. The 5-Meo-DIPT is still salmon colered. Seems stable.