News U.S. - Matthew Perry toxicology report reveals cause of death was "acute effects of ketamine"

pisses me off how when celebrities overdose they track down the dealer like some murderer... but when normal people overdose it's just natural, all part of the game, they should have made better choices....
 
I agree.

However, I do think it’s sad for anyone to be taken advantage in that way.
 
Ketamine queen? Man these LEO's as well as the media like to make this mythical, as if they deserve the pay. Not sure how I feel about this. We all make our own choices. MP made his that is all. He had mentioned he hit everything hard. He should have been dead from all those acetaminophen overdoses from massive vicodin consumption. (sort of his words) Oh, and leave the MP alone too. He is gone. Picking at his bones won't help all the egos surrounding him. RIP Matthew Perry.
 
My heart goes out to anyone that’s been affected by addiction. Or to anyone who has lost a loved one due to addiction.

He had the money to keep his habits going in a big way. And enough people around him who didn’t give a fuck about him either.

It’s all sad to me.
 
I'm normally not one to want charges brought on to drug dealers and the like, even when it results in death. But honestly, these sound like a couple of shitty, unscrupulous, and negligent doctors that had no business being in that type of position to do these things and take advantage of someone.

Whether it was consensual or not is beside the point. Fuck them, they sound like major pieces of shit.

Imo they shouldn't really be going after the assistant or the acquaintance that provided the last couple doses, though. I don't think they should be going after this "ketamine queen" either, but honestly, she just sounds like a fuckin dumbass anyway and was probably bound to start doing some serious time sooner or later.
 
Well, there will never be Friends reunion, but seeing them old would be depressing anyways.
The people charged, they all could be in serious trouble.
California has some law about selling drugs that kill people.
Perry, was famous so these defendants could be screwed, the law is very harsh.
 
deficiT said:
I'm normally not one to want charges brought on to drug dealers and the like, even when it results in death. But honestly, these sound like a couple of shitty, unscrupulous, and negligent doctors that had no business being in that type of position to do these things and take advantage of someone
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They'll never work in medicine again and be lucky to avoid jail time, but from what I've read prosecutors are gunning for murder charges which is absurd. As for the assistant, I have to feel for the guy he was just trying to do his job.

Anyway, ultimately the only person responsible for Perry's death was Perry himself and I'm sure he would agree.
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drugs that kill people.
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It was water that killed him. If somebody got drunk and fell asleep in the bathtub the media wouldn't be calling it an alcohol overdose.

That's what gets me the most about this whole sorry case; the ongoing narrative that he was sold "deadly" drugs. He wasn't, he was sold clean pharmaceutical grade ketamine which he then took in an unsafe environment. It was a failure to practice adequate harm reduction that caused his death and the only way to prevent further deaths like this is through harm reduction education.

Instead, we're appointing scapegoats. Again, and again, and again.

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Shinji Ikari said:
They'll never work in medicine again and be lucky to avoid jail time but from I've read prosecutors are gunning for murder charges which is absurd. As for the assistant, I have to feel for the guy he was just trying to do his job.

Anyway, ultimately the only person responsible for Perry's death was Perry himself and I'm sure he would agree.

It was water that killed him. If somebody got drunk and fell asleep in the bathtub the media wouldn't be calling it an alcohol overdose.

That's what gets me the most about this case whole sorry case, the ongoing narrative that he was sold "deadly" drugs. He wasn't, he was sold clean pharmaceutical grade ketamine which he then took in an unsafe environment. It was a failure to practice adequate harm reduction that caused his death and the only way to prevent further deaths like this is through harm reduction education.

Instead we're appointing scapegoats. Again and again and again.
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Yeah that's fair enough, I don't really disagree.

But, when you're attempting to basically rob someone, make sure they aren't a high profile celebrity, who also dies in the process. I don't necessarily think they should be charged with murder, but I won't shed any tears for them if they get major convictions out of it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I feel like they probably wont though.
 
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I feel like they probably wont though
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They're likely wealthy themselves and in a position to lawyer up. That's assuming they had the foresight to get them on retainer as I expect they've already had their assets seized.

Now that I think about it, gouging the price on a medicine one of their patients needed (or felt they needed) puts them more or less on par with the rest of the pharmaceutical industry, morally speaking.

So, as you say, it would be nice to think karma is coming for them, but they'll probably get off a lot lighter than they deserve to.
 
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Apparently, they were really they were really ripping him off. According to the press briefing he paid $55,000 for 25 vials. The people selling it to him said something along the lines of "I wonder how much we can make this idiot pay".
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exactly. Taking advantage of someone, is taking advantage. Rich or poor.
That’s what pisses me off, personally.
How callous they were. It’s a horrible way to treat anyone - regardless of all the other factors, like money or fame.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
They're likely wealthy themselves and in a position to lawyer up. That's assuming they had the foresight to get them on retainer as I expect they've already had their assets seized.

Now that I think about it, gouging the price on a medicine one of their patients needed (or felt they needed) puts them more or less on par with the rest of the pharmaceutical industry, morally speaking.

So, as you say, it would be nice to think karma is coming for them, but they'll probably get off a lot lighter than they deserve to.
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This is an unfortunate consequence of a medical system that is by its very nature, predatory. You have people like this in basically the most important positions regarding your health, that are absolutely just monsters trying to squeeze money from everyone. Can't get medicine prescribed without a doctor, and most of the time, insurance. So this is basically a position of power, that has been abused.

Drug decriminalization would certainly help this situation, but even that would not fix it. Healthcare is a racket.
 
deficiT said:
This is an unfortunate consequence of a medical system that is by its very nature, predatory. You have people like this in basically the most important positions regarding your health, that are absolutely just monsters trying to squeeze money from everyone. Can't get medicine prescribed without a doctor, and most of the time, insurance. So this is basically a position of power, that has been abused.

Drug decriminalization would certainly help this situation, but even that would not fix it. Healthcare is a racket.
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Predatory indeed.
He was used and exploited because he had money. That’s just as bad as being exploited for the opposite reasons.

“Healthcare is a racket.”
Yes :( And it’s a damn shame.
 
It's slightly off topic, but imagine if we just had to pay doctors/nurses/medical professionals and facilities for their time on payment plans or something (this is how it was done for a majority of American history)....

Instead, there is an entire, massive ass industry of workers in insurance that ALSO need to get paid their value. The math does NOT add up. Medical insurance has always been a great deception. The claim is that "they cover the bills so you pay less" but this has always been a lie and a way to create more "jobs" (not actually productive jobs because what they are producing has no material use value).

Basically logic concludes, that it's cheaper to just pay one guy one dollar, than to pay one guy two dollars, who then gives one of the dollars to the other guy.

It's bullshit and always has been, and that's a major reason why there is so much corruption and blatant profiteering in the healthcare industry. It's just robber baron ass shite.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
They'll never work in medicine again and be lucky to avoid jail time, but from what I've read prosecutors are gunning for murder charges which is absurd. As for the assistant, I have to feel for the guy he was just trying to do his job.

Anyway, ultimately the only person responsible for Perry's death was Perry himself and I'm sure he would agree.

It was water that killed him. If somebody got drunk and fell asleep in the bathtub the media wouldn't be calling it an alcohol overdose.

That's what gets me the most about this whole sorry case; the ongoing narrative that he was sold "deadly" drugs. He wasn't, he was sold clean pharmaceutical grade ketamine which he then took in an unsafe environment. It was a failure to practice adequate harm reduction that caused his death and the only way to prevent further deaths like this is through harm reduction education.

Instead, we're appointing scapegoats. Again, and again, and again.

Edit: SPAG.
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I think it was a possible suicide😧. Although I think if is suicide, I am not blaming the greedy quacks, or the others.
He was a grown man. In his fifties. I think he sent his private assistant out to do something so he could drink a lot of ketaine and pass out and drown.
He seemed unhappy, he seems like the type who sobriety, ain't ever going to make him happy.
I looked at a lot of materials on this before stating, that this might be a suicide.
Money can't buy happiness. He seemed very, unhappy.
 
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The main risk with ketamine is fucking up and doing something that will get you killed because you're so out of it. Especially being alone, yeah that happens. Usually an overdose would involve multiple sedatives in addition to the ketamine. Who knows. I feel like drowning yourself would be a shitty way to go, but if there's any state that you'd be able to do it in, it'd be after taking a fuck lot of ketamine.
 
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