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Opioids Coming off methadone

Coffeeshroom said:
Just back to the OP. It's seems you can drop with 10% every month of your original dose if u have been using more then a yeah and 10 a week I'd less then a year, there is another guideline to go by.

But I think it all comes down on how you feel physically when you start tappering your dose down.
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I think trying to drop 10% a month sounds a little unrealistic,but I guess it depends on the person and their history ,this is not my first hand experiences but only what I’ve learned talking to patients at the clinics,,,I’ve never successfully tapered I just went back to smack like I never missed a beat….
 
Coffeeshroom said:
@Juicewrldfan

Are you on the bupre now and what dose and is it keeping things under control?

So how is things going now. Mind if I ask what your current daily med intake is?
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Yeah. They started me on 4mg in the morning and 4mg in the evening. I don’t think I want to go up tho that’s easy to do because well why? I’d just end up having a harder time tapering tho for tapering she did say we can switch to sublicade or brixadi. I wasn’t a fan of brixadi but I only took it one week she’s ago but when I’m ready to taper I will probably go to sublocade. Not a fan of depot shots so I try to stay clear.

I take 4mg bupe twice a day
- 25mg lamictal once a day
-100mg seraquel once a day
- 200mg testosterone cypionate IM weekly (probably too high but they don’t listen)

I also joined a veterans and first responders support group this weekend so been doing good for past two days. I did use Friday but not since and I am committed to staying off stimulants. I’m really trying to stabilize my mental health and I know atoms are ruining that.

And yeah that’s a low dose of lamictal but I had CT my meds so he has to titrate it again since it’s outpatient since the mental hospital said I didn’t qualify for inpatient even tho my therapist sent me there because I was having a lot of HI ( I may have lost it and told a 14-16 year old wannabe thug that he will end up wrapped in plastic in my trunk if he doesn’t stop disrespecting my household)

I’m starting to balance out some.
 
I realise I’m way late on commenting on this but nah I can’t stand by and watch your comments zopiclone bandit you ignorant peice of shit. What are you levitating above the rest of us junkies on your junkie high horse? You fucking peasant. You’re a junkie and you’ll always be a junkie too so shut your fucking mouth and show some respect. I bet MY LIFE you wouldn’t say any of this to juicewrldfans face.

Feel tough behind a computer screen bud?


Just because you got off heroin “easily” doesn’t mean anyone else is going to get off it easily.

I’d love to see you try kick a Xanax habit or go through alcohol withdrawal. Your small weak little mind would absolutely fold.

All you’ve done here is reveal your own weakness and ignorance. And if I was in front of you right now I would honestly slap your junkie teeth right out of your mouth.

@admins I apologise for my harsh words I really do I’m not one to get this fired up and again I’m really sorry I know this isn’t the place for words like this but Jesus fucking Christ this guy is an absolute sociopath and has no place on this forum whatsoever. I couldn’t stand by and watch this peasant belittling
Someone for asking for help who is clearly worried and scared. I’ve been in juices position and it’s terrifying and lonely and then this fucking dickhead comes along and acts like he’s some kind of patron saint of all the junkies in the world because he was able to kick a heroin habit easily. Cool story bro try kicking opiates benzos and meth all at the same time and come back to me. Absolute fucking PEASANT behaviour.


Also this is me being very mature, maturity isn’t objective it’s subjective. My father taught me that if someone disrespects you, you give them a chance to apologise. If they refuse you simply attack violently and viciously. Which in my opinion is what this world is missing.


There would be far less disrespect and far more respect if disrespect had consequences. But these days people get away with anything
Zopiclone bandit said:
You didn't actually "say" anything to me, you typed words onto a Screen.

I don't hold much hope for you.
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Slayer0344 said:
I realise I’m way late on commenting on this but nah I can’t stand by and watch your comments zopiclone bandit you ignorant peice of shit. What are you levitating above the rest of us junkies on your junkie high horse? You fucking peasant. You’re a junkie and you’ll always be a junkie too so shut your fucking mouth and show some respect. I bet MY LIFE you wouldn’t say any of this to juicewrldfans face.

Feel tough behind a computer screen bud?


Just because you got off heroin “easily” doesn’t mean anyone else is going to get off it easily.

I’d love to see you try kick a Xanax habit or go through alcohol withdrawal. Your small weak little mind would absolutely fold.

All you’ve done here is reveal your own weakness and ignorance. And if I was in front of you right now I would honestly slap your junkie teeth right out of your mouth.

@admins I apologise for my harsh words I really do I’m not one to get this fired up and again I’m really sorry I know this isn’t the place for words like this but Jesus fucking Christ this guy is an absolute sociopath and has no place on this forum whatsoever. I couldn’t stand by and watch this peasant belittling
Someone for asking for help who is clearly worried and scared. I’ve been in juices position and it’s terrifying and lonely and then this fucking dickhead comes along and acts like he’s some kind of patron saint of all the junkies in the world because he was able to kick a heroin habit easily. Cool story bro try kicking opiates benzos and meth all at the same time and come back to me. Absolute fucking PEASANT behaviour.


Also this is me being very mature, maturity isn’t objective it’s subjective. My father taught me that if someone disrespects you, you give them a chance to apologise. If they refuse you simply attack violently and viciously. Which in my opinion is what this world is missing.


There would be far less disrespect and far more respect if disrespect had consequences. But these days people get away with anything
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Bro, don’t get worked up by ignorant people on the internet. Take a deep breath.
 
imo there’s nothing different between that clinic and a trap house. They are trying to take advantage of the vulnerability of your predisposition for their financial gain. I’m so sorry this is your current experience. But I have to say that I admire the way you’re choosing to take your perspectives.

Methadone is no joke tho. I got super sick coming off of it and ended up in Vanderbilt for almost 6 months . And I was transitioning to suboxone while doing it. They had me on an IV drip cause my bp was staying at 190/125. But I also have lupus…so there’s that. I know. It’s just what I do for fun. I’m trying to see if I can trick my immune system into thinking I’m a foreign invader to my own body so I can become my own worst enemy…literally. That way I don’t have to work so hard at making myself so miserable. It can just be automatic.
But good luck to ya❤️😂
 
While I don't necessarily agree with your statement comparing the clinic to a trap, I think that you raise some good points. F**** the clinic. It's hell on earth, and though it may save some folks' lives, it didn't save mine and they're making it very difficult for me to come off of 140mg/day. I'm in Portland, OR; opioid epicenter, according to Fox News.... Haha
I'm down to 101mg after previously attempting a cold kick (made it 5 days lol), but I'll damned if they aren't jumping down my throat to go faster than a 5mg drop every 3 days....
Anyway, Zoplicone bandit, you are not speaking as someone I once knew you to be (I've been on here in the past as someone else who lost their PW and pissed Phreex off). You sound like a f*cking Trump-supporting ass clown. Why?
 
For anyone else wanting to taper off of methadone, I have found a great method to be this:

1. Make sure you have stock of a 100ml bottle ready.
2. Get your daily dose down to 15ml through a clinic or whatever.
3. Pour out 15ml into a cup from the 100ml bottle each day and drink, fill bottle back up with water.
4. Repeat until there is only water left in the bottle (takes longer than you think).

This worked very, very well for me. Way better than any clinic-prescribed taper.

Bupe is less savage but still pretty bleak depending on dose and length of tolerance, I had to come off bupe with kratom and it still wasn't pretty.

:)
 
Not bad. Seems like it would quell the mental aspect of it quite well.

Has anyone switched from methadone to Suboxone?
I'm at 101mg of methadone and I've been going every other day to the clinic. My last dose was 101mg 76 hours ago and I'm sick as hell. I don't want to start back in any side of methadone and have subs. Oi. ....
 
iDeapdx said:
Not bad. Seems like it would quell the mental aspect of it quite well.
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Yeh for sure, I swear I was just drinking water for like 3 weeks at the end, but definitely helped to know that the taper was getting consistently slowly and minute.

I've switched from M to bupe but it went really badly and I went into precipitated wds. I definitely wouldn't switch from 101mg - I wouldn't feel safe transitioning to subs for up to a week from that dose.

How are you doing with it? You might get lucky and be OK but the problem is that you never really know what your body is doing and you can feel sick as hell and still go into precip. You DO NOT want to go there, it is the worst hell I've ever known.
 
martincertain said:
Yeh for sure, I swear I was just drinking water for like 3 weeks at the end, but definitely helped to know that the taper was getting consistently slowly and minute.

I've switched from M to bupe but it went really badly and I went into precipitated wds. I definitely wouldn't switch from 101mg - I wouldn't feel safe transitioning to subs for up to a week from that dose.

How are you doing with it? You might get lucky and be OK but the problem is that you never really know what your body is doing and you can feel sick as hell and still go into precip. You DO NOT want to go there, it is the worst hell I've ever known.
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Oi. Yes, I agree that 101mg is a rather high dose. I'm just done with the clinic, I really am. I am having some awful side effects from any side of methadone, like sweating profusely, agitation, bowel problems, worsened depression, etc.

It's rough. Very, very rough. But it won't kill me...

Sorry if I hijacked this thread a little!!
 
iDeapdx said:
Not bad. Seems like it would quell the mental aspect of it quite well.

Has anyone switched from methadone to Suboxone?
I'm at 101mg of methadone and I've been going every other day to the clinic. My last dose was 101mg 76 hours ago and I'm sick as hell. I don't want to start back in any side of methadone and have subs. Oi. ....
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I microdosed a year or so ago and it was painless. You can start with 0.5mg of buprenorphine and it shouldn't be painful. Stay at 0.5 mg for a couple days and slowly increase by 0.5.
 
iDeapdx said:
Sorry if I hijacked this thread a little!!
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Not at all, good to be talking about it. I hear you re: clinic, sounds like a rough way to do it though and may just get worse psychologically as the sleepless nights start piling up. Do you have anything to help you through? Loperamide (Immodium) is a fairly common aid that a lot of people use and I have used to come off of H, but can be dangerous in super high quantities. You an buy it OTC though so if you've got nothing stronger then it may be worth a shot just to make things less savage.

The microdosing suggestion from Jen X sounds like a great idea though if you're able to get a bupe script? 100% derails the risk of going hard into precip. Good to know for the future (fingers crossed I never end up back there but you never know).

Keep us updated if you can
 
martincertain said:
Not at all, good to be talking about it. I hear you re: clinic, sounds like a rough way to do it though and may just get worse psychologically as the sleepless nights start piling up. Do you have anything to help you through? Loperamide (Immodium) is a fairly common aid that a lot of people use and I have used to come off of H, but can be dangerous in super high quantities. You an buy it OTC though so if you've got nothing stronger then it may be worth a shot just to make things less savage.

The microdosing suggestion from Jen X sounds like a great idea though if you're able to get a bupe script? 100% derails the risk of going hard into precip. Good to know for the future (fingers crossed I never end up back there but you never know).

Keep us updated if you can
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I thought folks used loperamide to stop the shits?
 
Was on methadone 11 years and I know it works for a lot of people but it did not work for me because they stop you at 120 mg and I just got tolerant to the dose
and it did not help my cravings. I’m not an IV user so I started using patches on top to break through my dose finally in 2011 I had enough and weaned myself over a year

I finally got to 0 and I wanted it so bad but the post acute withdrawal syndrome would not let out and I started relapsing

My tolerance was basically reset at that point and I chipped for a few months

One day I went to my drug dealer and purchased a buprenorphine tablet and it fucked me up beyond belief

I went to the clinic the next day I went on the Suboxone program and have been on it now for 12 years and have not relapsed once
 
@Juicewrldfan Buy some black seed oil, try to get some that has a standardised amount of thyroquinone in it of 1% - 2%.

It helps stimulant and opioid withdrawal, being as effective as diazepam in peer-reviewed studies.
It not only helps withdrawal but lowers opioid and stimulant tolerance and works on the opioids receptors (Without causes dependence or addiction.) to stop diarrhoea.

It's used in rehabs in India and Iran!

It's the most effective natural supplement I've found that helps withdrawal and lowers tolerance. It really works!
Use one 5ml teaspoon twice a day or 15min's before dosing your opioid.

It's not expensive, I pay £5 - £6 for 200ml bottle with 1% - 2% thyroquinone.
 
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