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lucassaid

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Nitazines in aus?

Lately the media in Australia have been running these scare stories claiming that nitazines are showing up everywhere in stuff such as cocaine and Xanax, e pills etc. I’m not saying it’s not showing up but I’m just wondering if anyone has had this happen to them? The media always blows things far out of proportion so yea I’m just wondering how much of a worry it really is. I’d understand more if it was showing up as a cut in herion but it seems that it’s more showing up in party drugs or fake pharmas. I suggest everyone start testing their drugs just incase this does become more common.
Any experiences would be great to hear to spread some awareness.

Ps nitazines are a synthetic opoid 100x the strength of herion and stronger than fentanyl so if it does start going around I suspect many people will start dying
 
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lucassaid said:
Not sure haha. Might be alright if you had microscopic scales since about 2mg of pure powder could kill you and that amount would be like a grain of salt
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true or typical Australian media? not saying it is or isn't, i don't know.

i remember when the Australian media used to say ecstasy will kill you when it first arrived.

fear sells and rules and controls.
 
garygroundwork said:
true or typical Australian media? not saying it is or isn't, i don't know.

i remember when the Australian media used to say ecstasy will kill you when it first arrived.

fear sells and rules and controls.
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Yea I get what you mean about the media trying to scare people but Nitazines really will kill you if someone doesn’t administer naloxone/ narcan. If you’ve heard about what’s happening with fentanyl in America we could be looking at a similar thing happening if this drug becomes wide spread. Since it’s such a powerful class of drug I’m not exaggerating when I say a dose the size of a grain of salt could kill you. Since the amount is microscopic and the people cutting it into stuff aren’t using a regulated lab to dose stuff they just dump a bunch of the Nitazines in with a batch of whatever they are cutting it with and mix it in. Some parts of the batch will have little to none and then some parts could have enough to kill a family of 4 in one line
 
Nitazines are real real bad news. I own a mg scale and enjoy opis, but still no.

I am still convinced anything that can kill you in under 2 mg belongs in the chemical weapon category rather than drug.

My suspicions were somewhat confirmed when I emailed a "fentanyl supplier" (probably a cop or rip off I wasn't serious just wondering WTF and asked for a price quote)

They responded verbatim "For a few thousand dollars you could have enough to "take out" all of minnesota." What a suspicious way to answer. Or insightful to how the producers see things? Probably LE? who cares but worth thought.
 
I'm just wondering how many have taken it and haven't died.

Again I'm no expert. In fact I have no idea.

And I believe all the info you guys are saying.

I just want to hear from people that have use or have used it also. I like both sides of the story.

Maybe no one in Australia have actually knowingly used it and lived to tell the story.
 
My friend in South Australia mentioned that it was apparently showing up there. I know nitrazines are in Canada so its only a matter of time before they show up there to
 
lucassaid said:
Not sure haha. Might be alright if you had microscopic scales since about 2mg of pure powder could kill you and that amount would be like a grain of salt
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Thats media bullshit. A grain of salt weighs alot less than 2mg. A grain of salt might weigh around 50 micrograms (40 times less than 2mg). 2mg of is clearly visible and doesn't require a microscope.

Some nitazenes are potent but they arent the boogeyman, nor that prevalent. Some nitazenes are fairly weak. Even the ones that are highly potent aren't sold uncut. Don't be a parrot repeating sensationalized media articles. Their aim is to drive clicks and ad revenue.
 
^^ Idk about that. When I got Acetyl Fent it absolutely came uncut and even with three mg scales it is almost impossible to get an accurate read without about 30 mg on the scale to begin with....solution for me, zig zag .040-.042, check the zig zag on both scales add MINIMAL amount, .044 .045 afterwords.

Volumetric would be wise. I have never bought nitazines so maybe they are always sold cut? I hope they givin the ratio and are very trustworthy.
 
There's been 2 confirmed deaths caused by Protonitazene sold as counterfeit Xanax. There has also been an increase in seizures of drugs from "ecstacy" tablets to Heroin that have been found to contain Benzimidazole opioids. It's a concerning trend but I don't see it lasting long.

It's bizarre that these ultra-potent opioids are ending up in ecstacy tablets whereas it's easy to imagine Benzimizadole opioids ending up in powders such as cocaine and heroin. Especially considering the frequency at which it's been detected in these tablets, it makes me thing someone is intentionally adding them. Time will tell.

The scare narrative around "the Australian opioid epidemic" is very disappointing to see as it only further aggravates the drug problems we do have. We simply don't have the demand for there to even be an opioid epidemic. Maybe if we had large scale use of pharmaceutical opioids and then scarcity but that's not been the case. Maybe a handful of people WANT these drugs, but the few who use opioids in Australia don't.

I see ABC and other outlets quote potencies of 100, 500 even 1000x Morphine. You can tell these journalists have read the Wikipedia entry and figured "that's good enough" because in humans, none of the Benzimidazole's get even close to that sort of potency. Alas, a 1000x Morphine potency drug sure is scary, which is the aim.
 
smokeymcpot42088 said:
^^ Idk about that. When I got Acetyl Fent it absolutely came uncut and even with three mg scales it is almost impossible to get an accurate read without about 30 mg on the scale to begin with....solution for me, zig zag .040-.042, check the zig zag on both scales add MINIMAL amount, .044 .045 afterwords.

Volumetric would be wise. I have never bought nitazines so maybe they are always sold cut? I hope they givin the ratio and are very trustworthy.
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Acetylfentanyl is of low enough potency to be sold uncut, with a lethal dose being a good 20mg or so for a totally non-tolerant person (and obviously way more for someone with a tolerance). When I ordered acetylfentanyl years ago, I was able to take bumps of pure powder, eyeballed, unmeasured (I was on 380mg/day of methadone, so my tolerance was absolutely obscene). (Note: never attempt to eyeball acetylfentanyl or any potent opioid, I had a monster tolerance and underlying death wish.)

However I have never seen stuff like etonitazene actually sold in its pure form. Its usually cut at very least in half, usually more. Just too hard to handle in its pure state.
 
Negrogesic... Jesus dude.. 380mg of 'done per day? How?

Prior to reading that I thought it was dubious that you were actually eyeballing pure acetylfent, but that certainly puts it into context.

Many years ago I was able to get some pure 4FBF (a fentanyl of some sort) and when I got the bag I thought it was empty because the dose was just a near invisible dust clinging to the side. I'm glad I lived through that. Fent and nitazines are scary and I feel like the media has desensitzed us all through decades of fear mongering, so that when something genuinely scary shows up it just sounds like another thing.
 
lucassaid said:
Not sure haha. Might be alright if you had microscopic scales since about 2mg of pure powder could kill you and that amount would be like a grain of salt
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Well let me eyeball a cut and try to do the smaller half. Save the big half for when I have a little tolerance. Let’s go.

Memeing the stupidest part of my brain to get it out of my head.
 
paranoid android said:
My friend in South Australia mentioned that it was apparently showing up there. I know nitrazines are in Canada so its only a matter of time before they show up there to
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I'm in south Australia and yeh, I have been noticing the gear is definitely cut with nitazenes. I'm also on the Suboxone program and when I withdrawal off the meth it feels just like opiate withdrawal. But with an extra element it's weird
 
Could I just flag the important detail that @TheFunkeeJunkee touched on, niazenes are a class of compound. There are in fact examples without a nitro moiety, so even the more general name isn't entirely representitive.

The potency range is truly vase with the prototype being just 0.1 x morphine right up to a chiral derivtive that is some x 6000 morphine. A factor of 60000.

Even here on BL a few people have raved on about how potent the high was and how it lasted for 12+ hours... but who knows which homologue was involved? Likewise there are some 'so so' reports where sedation was a common complaint right down to people saying it was awful and should be avoided at all costs.

BTW etonitazene (the most potent example found in the original Ciba research) is around x1500 morphine in animal models BUT I found a little Russian study that suggested that orally, etonitazine was 'only' x 60 morphine in human trials. So are people people swallowing the tablets or snorting them or indeed injecting them them (for faster onset and maybe slightly higher bioavailability)?

In the UK someone producing snidey alprazolam were busted. Is this to get people hooked and/or is this because the price and availability of nitazenes made them easier to produce than 'real' fakes i.e. made outside medical circles but actually containing the drug and quantity expected? Whatever the case, I does rather suggest that in bulk, this stuff is cheap.

Are test-strips availabile in Australia? I can likely obtain a few and pass them on if it helps you out.
 
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d00rsnake said:
I'm in south Australia and yeh, I have been noticing the gear is definitely cut with nitazenes. I'm also on the Suboxone program and when I withdrawal off the meth it feels just like opiate withdrawal. But with an extra element it's weird
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Just to clarify are you saying you think nitazenes are showing up in the Meth in South Australia?
 
flamegli said:
Just to clarify are you saying you think nitazenes are showing up in the Meth in South Australia?
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Responding to reports of nitazene toxicity in Australia - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Well certainly it's been misrepresented as other drugs including methamphetamine in South Australia.

Maybe I should explain a little more. As I previously noted, I've read reports in whith a nizaxine 'kept me awake and I'm still buzzin {sic)' through complaints of 'brain fog' all the way to people apparently falling aseleep for hours.

When Ciba investigated the QSAR, they were only looking for analgesic activity and animal models would therefore only be to test analgesic activity. But we are seeing homologues never even tested by Ciba so in essence, the consumer IS the first trials of any sort involving these new dtugs.

I've also mentioned this before regatding other legal homologues. It's quite likely that the one Ciba went with WOULD have undergone more testing and one can only assume that they went with etonitazine because it's so potent (as a MOR ligand) that side-effects were not an issue.

While still a terrible idea, windowpanes or similer i.e. a format that allows for quite precice dosing of etonitazine represented AS etonitazine would actually pose the lesser danger. Since it appears that etonitazine is a 'superagonist', it may be something of a one-way street in that substitution therapy at any dose would prove impractical.

I say this because back in 1984, a Morton-Thiakol chemist callet Thomas K. Highsmith' was arrested, charged but then bailed for making etonitazine - he sought to at least try to get clean before he went to prison. But it sounds like methadone even at quite huge doses failed to even touch the AWS. So TKH took his own life. He had been taking hits from a nasel inhalor every 20 minutes... so what was HIS tolerance like and more importantly, coud anything stop the AWS?
 
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negrogesic said:
Thats media bullshit. A grain of salt weighs alot less than 2mg. A grain of salt might weigh around 50 micrograms (40 times less than 2mg). 2mg of is clearly visible and doesn't require a microscope.

Some nitazenes are potent but they arent the boogeyman, nor that prevalent. Some nitazenes are fairly weak. Even the ones that are highly potent aren't sold uncut. Don't be a parrot repeating sensationalized media articles. Their aim is to drive clicks and ad revenue.
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While I typically agree with you nah nitazines are bad shit I'm in the states and it's pretty orevelant in Pittsburgh and Philly where I live and people are dying a lot, ya some are just dumb but nitazines will take out the smartest most careful addict even. Don't act like the media is just being over zealous with a drug like nitazines.
 
Kurt Cobain said:
While I typically agree with you nah nitazines are bad shit I'm in the states and it's pretty orevelant in Pittsburgh and Philly where I live and people are dying a lot, ya some are just dumb but nitazines will take out the smartest most careful addict even. Don't act like the media is just being over zealous with a drug like nitazines.
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That was the problem I was trying to convey. We have multiple examples of other RCs and controlled drugs (I'm unsure if ALL nitazenes are legally controlled in Australia) killing people because whoever was producing the consumer dose-units made a mistake. Having total faith in someone who might themselves be under the influuence of drugs is unwise. Even futher up the ladder misrepresentation by accident or by design has occurred on multiple occassions.

I'm someone who firmly believes that the fifth freedom should be a human right but only on the basis of informed consent.
 
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