Psychedelics “The Void”, Ego Death and headspace on psychedelics.

[Medevilx]

Hi all!

In my research as a psychonaut, I’ve experienced what I believe is called Ego Death, or “The Void” in the psychedelics folklore.

I must say, I only have like 10 trips in my badge, so some concepts are still vague, I’ve been reading a lot of trip reports and I guess that I know what these concepts mean, but I would appreciate the experience and thoughts of more experienced psychonauts.

I’ve had like 4/5 intense experiences, and a “bad one”.

My good experiences where using 4-HO-MET in doses around 10/40mg. These doses were not a big trip for me, so I used some cannabis to enhance the experience, and then, it happened. The outside world seemed to disappear and the music was taking me somewhere else inside my mind, I slowly was sinking in bliss and in a mental condition I’ve never experienced before, I could describe like been transported to some place far away where senses or memory didn’t. It was wonderful, very insightful thoughts and experiences. I remember that one time, the music started to slow and pitch down, then speed up again, like a broken record…. It was a little scary, but not bad scary….And then my mind was going again to that place.

I remember that, my first and second times (4-HO-MET), I was meditating and listening to music, and a certain song that I like started to taking me to that “void”, the female vocals were erotic, and it was like if the song was talking to me, disconnecting from reality and diving very deep in my mind. The sensation was a little thrilling, but not scary at all. Second time I felt it and tripped I noticed that my way of getting there, to that void, was to relax, close the eyes and kind of meditate, while some music, rhythm or whatever would attract my mind to that void, indeed, I tried with the same song and it kinda worked ( got it with other songs too).

That’s exactly what amazed me about these psychedelics experiences. I mean, of course I loved the visuals on the beach, the sense of connection to the music and that little euphoria…. But that sensation of being transported to pure consciousness is what fascinates me, and what I’m really looking for to experiment with.

The “bad” experience happened a week ago. Full trip report is here : https://www.bluelight.org/community...ions-be-careful-with-the-trip-a-ton©️.940186/

I tried LSD for the first time (150mcg 1V-LSD). It felt very close to 40mg of 4-HO-MET. I tried to meditate and relax to get to that “Void” again in the beach as usual, but I thought dosage was a little underwhelming, also, I couldn’t totally relax because people started to show at the beach.Then, I started to vape weed slow and carefully , and went back to my man’s cave, where I have this nebula galaxy projector, turned of the lights, laid down, with electronic downtempo music, and started to meditate. Then, all of the sudden… BOOM!!! I wasn’t in my man’s cave looking at the galaxy sky, but totally transported to that galaxy, to “The Void”and, when the song started to play through my headphones, it sounded like a little out of tune, like low pitched (I’ve experienced that audition hallucinations before, in tune and time). But what once sounded erotic, warm and suggestive, started to sound menacing….dark…. I can’t really express the feeling. The disconnection from reality was very fast and strong, kind of disorienting….and my heart started racing and I was like 160bpm. was transported to that “Void” again, but it wasn’t gentle, it was like all of a sudden, music started to sound menacing, my heart was beating really fast and I freaked out and didn’t let go, turned on the lights, and calmed myself. I was OK 5 minutes after, but a sense of fear remained through the rest of the trip.

Guess that the galaxy / nebula lights made me visually trip A LOT, I was looking to the ceiling and it was like if I was really looking to the sky and the stars, with the moon and all these wonderful lights. But it was nice, really nice…. Until I was somehow rocketed to some place else, and the change was too intense.

Is like if in my first experiences, I gently entered into some calmed blissful deep waters, diving down slowly to the deep of my consciousness…. But this last time I felt like if I was pushed down and drowned in these same waters.

I’m really interested to trip and get immersed into that “Void”, but in a gentle way. I guess the best way to do that is in total darkness, in a familiar and comfortable setting, listening to trip inducing calming electronic music. The “Trip-A Ton” galaxy ceiling is also great to induce you in that state, I guess….or maybe the lights are too confusing, but I love looking at them on weed, is just awesome.

Guess I’m gonna try to find the right dosage of psychedelic to get there without having to vape weed to boost the experience. I don’t like mixing drugs, too many variables in the equation.

Is that “Void” what people also calls ego death or ego dissolution?

Which is the best way to get there gently, and not be scared or get anxious? I know I have to “let go”, and let my mind get there, but sometimes the feeling is not good and I don’t wanna have a bad experience.

I’d really appreciate inputs about these concepts by more experienced psychonauts.

 

[kongoman]

Did tou try ketamine? K-holing? Or any other disso?
They have something very magical.
Nice to read your post. How old are you if I may ask?

 

[foodcrisis]

for me i consider ego death to be when you totally forget about reality. i'll forget who i am or any people that i know. it's like i can't recall anything and i'm just trapped in space or it could even be almost real like how a dream works but being awake with my eyes open, but can't see anything in reality. on a dose of what i assume from taking accurately dosed lsd analogues, i was on any where between 500-1000ugs of supposed lsd, and i wasn't reallly tripping and then the next thing i know i was being sent through a silver cartoon like black hole, and the first thing i remember was being in a field with no shirt on, and i thought i was a different person in this field. i had no idea that i was actually in my room and thought i was in a completely different looking place. i then shot back through the portal into my room and ended up in reality. through out the night every couple minutes i would go through portals or like walk through strobe lights into different dreams... these experiences were a lot like smoking salvia ime, but it was like doing it OVER AND OVER and being completely unable to control when i was tripping. the experiences when i thought i was in a different reality was what i would consider the ego death.

like smoking something salvia, sometimes i actually get to the point where i'm just like a color or a nebula in space or something and i'll think i have some type of purpose existing like that... that i'd consider ego death. like if i were having that stuff happen, but could still remember i was a person in reality and was aware that i had taken drugs, i wouldn't consider that ego death.

i personally don't think it's a great idea for people to try to experience ego death on longer lasting psychedelics cause there's some chance at least for some people to do stupid stuff with out realizing it.. like i recommend salvia or dmt cause they last only a few minutes or at least under an hour. salvia has a pretty shitty body high where gravity and body sensations can feel weird for some people, but i'd generally say it's safer for a person to take a hit of salvia which is only going to last a few minutes rather than a heroic dose of lsd which could last more than hours.. i just find the higher dose lsd to get a lot more confusing than the salvia experience, but the salvia can show a person the exact same thing... i've never tried smoking dmt, but i also recommend that as a shorter lasting psychedelic from everything i've heard about it.

like a lot of people lose track of time when tripping on salvia and what is really only seconds in reality feels like an unknown amount of time which some people interpret as life times... for some people, lsd gets to be the same way. it just seems unnecessary to me to keep an experience up like that for that many hours as lsd lasts when on a shorter lasting drug you'll be just as confused with how much time went by or lose track of time just as much... i often hear people not really being able to recall all the stuff that happened during a high dose lsd trip.

 

[Medevilx]

Did tou try ketamine? K-holing? Or any other disso?
They have something very magical.
Nice to read your post. How old are you if I may ask?

Thanks!

I’m 45 years old.

Never tried any drugs besides weed, and that was 7 years ago (I was 38). To be honest, I don’t really like drugs, I’m very interested in psychedelics because the potential knowledge of your own mind they can provide.

 

[Medevilx]

for me i consider ego death to be when you totally forget about reality. i'll forget who i am or any people that i know. it's like i can't recall anything and i'm just trapped in space or it could even be almost real like how a dream works but being awake with my eyes open, but can't see anything in reality. on a dose of what i assume from taking accurately dosed lsd analogues, i was on any where between 500-1000ugs of supposed lsd, and i wasn't reallly tripping and then the next thing i know i was being sent through a silver cartoon like black hole, and the first thing i remember was being in a field with no shirt on, and i thought i was a different person in this field. i had no idea that i was actually in my room and thought i was in a completely different looking place. i then shot back through the portal into my room and ended up in reality. through out the night every couple minutes i would go through portals or like walk through strobe lights into different dreams... these experiences were a lot like smoking salvia ime, but it was like doing it OVER AND OVER and being completely unable to control when i was tripping. the experiences when i thought i was in a different reality was what i would consider the ego death.

like smoking something salvia, sometimes i actually get to the point where i'm just like a color or a nebula in space or something and i'll think i have some type of purpose existing like that... that i'd consider ego death. like if i were having that stuff happen, but could still remember i was a person in reality and was aware that i had taken drugs, i wouldn't consider that ego death.

i personally don't think it's a great idea for people to try to experience ego death on longer lasting psychedelics cause there's some chance at least for some people to do stupid stuff with out realizing it.. like i recommend salvia or dmt cause they last only a few minutes or at least under an hour. salvia has a pretty shitty body high where gravity and body sensations can feel weird for some people, but i'd generally say it's safer for a person to take a hit of salvia which is only going to last a few minutes rather than a heroic dose of lsd which could last more than hours.. i just find the higher dose lsd to get a lot more confusing than the salvia experience, but the salvia can show a person the exact same thing... i've never tried smoking dmt, but i also recommend that as a shorter lasting psychedelic from everything i've heard about it.

like a lot of people lose track of time when tripping on salvia and what is really only seconds in reality feels like an unknown amount of time which some people interpret as life times... for some people, lsd gets to be the same way. it just seems unnecessary to me to keep an experience up like that for that many hours as lsd lasts when on a shorter lasting drug you'll be just as confused with how much time went by or lose track of time just as much... i often hear people not really being able to recall all the stuff that happened during a high dose lsd trip.

Well, I chose psilocybin and LSD because they are two of the more well known psychedelics, and have been extensively used.

To be far, I’m using RC’s so far (4-HO-MET and 1V-LSD) since they are easy to get here. I will have some mushrooms soon, but I like the 4-HO and analogues because the dosage is always exactly measured, and you don’t really know how much psylocibin does a mushroom contain.

Said that, I enjoyed the exleriences so far, the can be very eye opening, and also very fun and rewarding.

I’m not a drug head and I’m really interested in research, I’m reading a lot and try to understand about psychedelics and its potential, duration has not been a problem until now, even the 1V-LSD 10 hours effects were OK.

Guess building up dosages carefully and not mixing with weed is the best way to do my research. So far, not interested in heroic doses, just want to learn how to navigate my mind and going further little by little.

 

[kongoman]

Im 45 YO too haha.
im sure that you will like ketamine. I had never k-holed but i had a very mistical trips in it. Ket its considered a psichedelic too. People that k-hole sais that you reach the ego death. Im afraid of k-holing so I didnt try it.