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150mcg 1V-LSD + 0.75g Cannabis Cosmic Trip Conclusions: Be careful with the Trip-A-Ton©️

Medevilx

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First of all, we are coming from here:

https://www.bluelight.org/community...nnabis-advices-welcomed.940129/#post-16079145

I want to be clear about the Cannabis use just as a booster, I’m not really interested in mixing drugs, but I use the cannabis when the psychedelics effects of the dosage are mild or underwhelming, to push a little further, while I try to find the perfect substance dosage for my trips.


7:00 AM - I put a 150mcg 1V-LSD blotter from a very reputable source under the tongue, swallowed after 15min. I go down to my man’s cave, where everything is ready to host my trip, my perfect setting, and put myself comfortable in my relaxing chair. My set is very good, I’m happy and confident, no worries at all around my head.

7:15 AM - I start watching “Back To The Future” in my big screen cinema to wait for the come up. Is my favourite movie of all time, always set me in a good mood.

8:00 AM - Definitely starting to feel something, but nothing unpleasant, is like a little euphoria, may be placebo effect while I watch the movie.

8:30 AM I can feel the walls starting to breath a little, some visuals and patterns. I continue watching the movie, I’m really enjoying it, feel more emotional than usual, and see how lucky I am to have a real cinema at home, something I always wanted since I was a kid.

9:30 AM The movie ends, and I can totally feel the psychedelic effects, similar to tryptamines, but the come up has been very gentle, no body load at all or that little rush that tryptamines usually gave me the first 30 minutes. I feel happy and euphoric, the movie has been GREAT, feel a little emotional, and I can totally feel the LSD “vibe”. Feels somehow similar to my 30mg 4-HO-MET experiment. Walls breathing, some object moving, a little clumsy, but I can totally interact with people as I were sober.

9:45 AM - Since I made a time table for 1V-LSD, I suppose I’m already peaking, effects seems to be stable. Not much headspace, or not at all. Feel great and some buzz, some nive little visuals, but nothing like tripping at the level I’ve tripped using tryptamines+cannabis. So I decide to go to the beach. I take my vape with me to the beach, just in case the effects remain the same and I’d like to boost the experience, as I’ve always done with my other experiments.

10:00 AM - I have a 5 minute walk to the beach, I feel quite good, no visuals while walking, feel some little euphoria, and clouds seems to move funny strange. I can absolute feel the 1V-LSD, but nothing big.

10:30 AM - I have a walk at the beach, walking in the sand while the waves crashes. The sun is hidden under some clouds, and the beach is a little flooded with sea plants… the day is not that great, also, summer has already come and there are people near the spot I always use to go. I feel a little disappointed, and decide to wait a little more listening to music and meditating, to see if the effects of the 1V-LSD i crease a little further or this is all for 150mcg.

11:00 AM - Effects are stable, I can feel some waves from time to time, but the waves are not that intense either. I’m 4 hours into the experience, so I know I’m for sure already peaking and this is not gonna go much further. I decide to boost the experience with 0.25g of Cannabis, same weed I’ve used in my other experiments to boost the tryptamines trip. I take two draws, and hope for the best.

11:15 AM - I check and the effects are almost the same, but I can feel a little “magic” from the cannabis, as I experienced in my tryptamines + cannabis experiences. It is definitely boosting. I decide to take another 2 draws from the vape.

11:30 AM - The effects of the LSD are boosted, but not that much. I’m being very carefully consuming the 0.25g little by little. Once finished, I sit and relax and try to meditate and feel the headspace.

11:45 AM- The effects of the LSD+cannabis combination are great, but doesn’t feel as strong as past experiences. I’ve gone much further with the tryptamines+ 0.5gr cannabis. The beach is beginning to crowd and the weather doesn’t improve, so I take a swim and decide to get back home, and push the experience a little further with 0.25g more of cannabis. I load my vape, and start vaping slowly, as I’m heading home. Walking back from the beach, the sun is gone and the day is a little gray, that kind of put my mood a little down, I guess, kinda disappointing ….

12:00 AM - I get home and finish my second 0.25g load of cannabis. Now I feel more strong effects, so I take a nice shower and get back to my man’s cave, put my headphones on with some chilling downtempo electronic music and relax laid back in my chair.

12:30 PM - The effects are great, I feel introspective, perceive the music in a very emotional way, maybe not as euphoric and warm as with the tryptamines. I’ve felt a more profound tripping sensation with them. Not much visuals, everything is quite manageable. So, I decide to load the vape again with 0.25g more and see if I can take the trip further, at least at the same level than past tryptamines+cannabis experiences. So long, so good, I load the vape but don’t use it, I wanna spend half and hour more introspecting and meditating, and then maybe I’ll push the experience further with my loaded vape.

Then, the critical moment comes…. I turn on what, from now on, I’m gonna call the Trip-A-Ton ®️

What is the Trip-A-Ton ®️? The name is obviously a joke, It is a device that I created with two galaxy or nebula lights ceiling projectors. It makes my man’s-cave big ceiling looks like if you were laid in the beach looking at the clear sky with the moon and stars and some aurora borealis / southern lights. Is really cool, I designed it so I can have a cool landscape to look at while on my man’s cave.

Here is a little video, so you can make an idea of it:



12:45 PM - I’m really enjoying the Trip-A-Ton experience, looking at the moon and the stars, listening to electronic music. Feels like I’m outside looking at the stars, the lights are wonderful, you find patterns of color that mixes wonderfully, totally eye candy, I feel really great and kind of tripping looking at the lights, I feel transported…. But I know I have tripped stronger with tryptamines+weed, so I suppose I still have “room” for some more cannabis and try to make the experience more intense. So I get the loaded vape with another 0.25gr (I had a,I’ve already vaped 0.5gr), take a couple of draws and get back to relax looking at the wonderful galaxy that is my ceiling, like floating, listening to music.

13:00 PM - I’m getting to the point were I was really tripping…I’ve felt this before, I’m somehow losing contact with reality and now I’m inside of my head, music and lights sends you to an immersive trip. As I say, I know this sensation, I’ve experimented it a couple of times and it is exactly what I’m looking for. The Trip-A-Ton works great and is doing exactly what I designed it for…take me far away when on psychedelics.

Let me explain something: when I first felt this tripping sensation in one of my first experiments with tryptamines and weed, losing touch with senses and reality, it was really wonderful. I can not tell if it was ego dissolution, ego death or whatever, but it is a very distinctive feeling. I’m not very experienced, but in these two trips I could totally feel the sense of me in terms of “feel”, or emotion, or maybe that’s what people call awareness, when there’s only feeling, no thinking. I could totally see the “constructed personality” how my personality has been built by thoughts and beliefs , a me that was constructed by my mind, like a disguise. But I still could remember and feel that “me”, but I simply knew that there was a character I developed to interact with the real world in his own terms.

I don’t really understand the “feel of dying”, maybe everyone experiments different or what I’ve felt is different from the ego death or ego dissolution, but it was like my usual mind was gone and I was something else, pure bliss and warm feeling, like somehow I never experienced before.

The first time I felt this my heart suddenly started to race, because is like if I was losing every sense of reality, but I calmed down and appreciated the warm feeling, the music and the voices were wonderful and erotic, is like if I were diving very deep in my mind….hard to describe, you know, ineffable….

Said that, I was going that same path again, very nice tripping feeling, diving inside my mind, letting go…. I was looking at the stars and northern lights when, suddenly, in just a second, all my contact with reality was gone and I was deep in space, in the cosmos, reaching to an immense and vastness magenta, pink and orange planet, like if I was orbiting around it, it was HUGE, and I felt I was gone, no perception of self, just paralyzed by the beauty and in vastness of the universe. Kind of like 2001 a Space Odyssey, when Dave gets to the final trip where he finds the monolith. It was so impressive and shocking, like if I was launched to deep space in a rocket or something. The music started to induce a sense of fear, it was a song in a minor key I love, but it started to feel really overwhelming, and my heart started to race very fast…..and I got scared.

Not scared in a bad way, but scared of “OMG what the fuck is this?”. With my last sense of selfness, I freaked out. I knew I could let go, get into the flow and leave my mind, and maybe have a full blown trip, ego death or whatever…but somehow I felt like if it was scary and I wasn’t ready, the feeling was too overwhelming I guess, it wasn’t like the other times, when I was diving deeper and deeper into my mind and losing touch with reality. This was more like some people relate DMT trips, but the vibe from this feeling wasn’t nice.

I started to feel anxious, I could feel the anxiety building. I made my homework and I knew the trip could turn to a bad one, so, I decided to stop looking at the stars and lights, turned off the projectors, turned off the music, turned on the lights, and started to take deep breaths.

My man’s cave is a safe and known place, but still, I was afraid of other wave of the 1V-LSD+weed could come back and make me lose my control, and I wasn’t in a good vibe, guess that is like a bad trip starts, but I managed myself to calm and tell me this was just a feeling, and that I can control it, that this was just an experience I could have and I was somehow ready for it.

13:30 PM I went upstairs, and the anxiety started to disappear in 5minutes, I could still perfectly feel the peak and effects, but I was again in control.

I felt somehow disappointed, thinking I was a coward because I could have let go my mind in that critical moment when I was orbiting in the cosmos and be taken to that “big experience” that everybody talks about, the big psychedelic experience. Maybe that fear would have been gone and have a wonderful experience…. But I shitted in my pants. And I was somehow disappointed and angry about it. But also, maybe I have aborted a bad trip and a traumatic experience….who knows.

Somehow, the good vibe was like lost…. And I felt a little scared of meditating or losing myself again in the music, I was even a little anxious about turning the Trip-A-Ton galaxy lights again, I felt like if these lights were the reason I was taken away to an overwhelming experience.

Also, it was the first time I’ve felt a really unpleasant feeling, never had a bad experience before, it was like “OK, maybe this is too much for me”.

14:00 - I decided not to let the trip be ruined, I was feeling better, so, I got back to my man’s cave, I put some uplifting music and decided to watch a live concert in my home cinema.

I watched one of my favorite concerts, The Cure “Show”. It is my favorite concert ever, but the somehow depressing mood of the songs were still a little dark for me, wasn’t very pleasant. Guess the fear was still there, so I changed to other live concert, this time more uplifting music, and the fear and anxiety totally wear off.

14:30 PM - I felt the peaking point of the experience was already over. It was 8 hours from intake, so I guess I was already coming down. Went upstairs and have lunch with my wife and kids. I still could feel some effects, but I could totally interact with my kids and my wife.

15:30 PM - Since I was somehow noticing I was still in the comedown and experiencing some effects waves , and I was way more calmer, I went back to my man’s cave, I was feeling good again and decided to to try weed again, just a little, and see if I could get back to the peak, but feeling confident that the most intense effects from the 1V-LSD were already gone, so the weed push wouldn’t be so overwhelming. Turned on the vape, and took 2 draws.

16:00 PM - Weed now feels good, I get back to more intense LSD effects, but not as strong as when I was peaking and took the weed. It was pleasant, so, I wanted to fight that fear to the Trip-A-Ton lights (somehow I felt the lights were responsible of my overwhelming feelings and anxiety), turned it on and put some electronic music to relax. It was nice and really immersive, but my mind wasn’t anywhere near the effects that the peak of the LSD plus the weed took me 2 hours ago. Looking at the stars and the lights made me feel a little trippy, but with very less headspace.

16:30 PM - I finish the weed in the vape and the sensations are good. I decide to watch a movie, so I play “Raiders Of The Lost Ark” and have a pleasant feeling watching the movie, but almost no headspace at all.

18:30 PM - I guess all the effects are gone by now. I was feeling good, and decided to finish the day listening to a couple of my favorite Lp’s.

Trip conclusions:

Since I started experimenting, tryptamines and LSD never had great effects in the doses I’ve been taking (up to 40mg of 4-HO-MET and 150mcg 1V LSD), almost no headspace…. So I always end up boosting the psychedelic with weed, which amplifies the psychedelic effects and takes me where the “magic” is.

Since that is my usual way of proceeding, this time did the same with the 1V-LSD, and it was going great until, I think, I took too many weed, and the effects become somehow overwhelming. Maybe the weed caused the anxiety or fear feelings, but in that critical point when I totally lost control of reality and I was absorbed into the cosmos when looking at my ceiling lights, the feeling wasn’t good or pleasant. Maybe my mindset was somehow affected by the disappointing experience earlier at the beach, or maybe the lights were too disorienting…. But I freaked out.

Since I’ve done my homework, I was able to happily manage the situation, but I was somehow disappointed of not having let go, and have a real “Big trip experience”… but due to the situation and the feeling I was having, I guess I did right.

Here is a study I find really interesting regarding my experiment of using LSD and cannabis: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-021-05999-1

I guess you can intensify the psychedelics effects of tryptamines and LSD with cannabis, but it reaches a point of cannabis dosage when it produces anxiety. Fits to my experience, I guess.

I’ve decided to remove the weed from my psychedelics experiments. Only used it as a booster when the effects of the psychedelic dosage were underwhelming, but, for a better understanding of the original substance, I guess I should go with higher doses, but not mixing it with weed, so I can have a clean psychedelic experience with the substance. Adding weed to the equation is another variable that changes the game in unknown results.

I don’t know if tryptamines or LSD alone will take me to the same place I’ve reached using the cannabis combo, but it was never my intention to mix drugs, so I’m going to do only the substance in my next experiments.

My biggest concern now is, once I reach the same point I reached when peaking on LSD + cannabis, but using only LSD in a bigger dose…. Will I shit my pants again? Will I feel that same unpleasant feeling of losing control, anxiety and fear?

I hope not. But I’m a little concerned about it. I’ve been there and I have enjoyed it very much in past times, that lose of touch with reality and dive very deep inside my mind, but I guess this time I got too far too fast, and somehow too much weed contributed to that sense of fear and anxiety. I probably can manage it better without using weed but increasing the LSD (or tryptamine) dosage.

I want to get there again, but feeling good and confident enough to let go without suffering anxiety or fear. I really hope so.

Guess this is just another step in my journey I’ve learnt from.

I’ve decided that I’m gonna do all my experiments in my man’s cave, always same setting, trying to dive into my mind in darkness, with music, or immersing in the galaxy lights of the Trip-A-Ton, and starting again with same doses of Tryptamines I’ve already used, but without weed, increasing the dosage as I feel confident.

Maybe next trip I’ll try 50mg of 4-HO-MET, or 225mcg of LSD….but not touching the weed. I’m interested in the genuine psychedelic effect that each substance provides. For me, the headspace and the mind tripping is what I’m really interested.

Hope next time I reach to that big tripping point, when I know it is going to be something big, I feel brave and confident enough to let go and live a life changing psychedelic experience.
 
Boosting psychedelics with cannabis is tricky and carries its own risks. Usually I wait with cannabis until about 8-9 h in if tripping on acid or an acid analalogue. I'm the sort of person who gets severe ADD from cannabis, so taking it earlier in a trip is risking confusion to me. Though I've had a lot of experience boosting 2C-B by taking 35-45 mg of decarbed hash 2 h before the 2C-B with pleasant results.
 
The vape did the trick! I also greatly underestimate the power of weed during a trip. But using the conventional old way pipe and crumbling weed. one hit take about 15 minutes or more to prepare. So never went overboard, and that delayed effect of weed coupled with time dilation might played part.

Well written, have you used any of the other lysergic s, if so how does the vinyl compare?

My trips are just alike beatifull distracting art on the wall s but vibrating hand stucked cement on my attic floor which i must have looked at quite some time. I for the first time saw how a hand had shoveled a nice flat floor by hand.

when suddenly some sort of push that felt uncomfartable and .... ah then i lay down and just let go. The best imo was ALD-52, 1p-LSD felt very clean to as Al-LAD. How comes THC somehow seams to macth LSD in intensity.
 
Cannabis is a MUST for tripping for me. I often preroll the joints, blunts, packed pipes etc in case I lose too much bodily control. Oh and no torch haha. Start coming down, cannabis. Next day depression, cannabis. But you see how that is often my answer.

1p-LSD is an LSD prodrug isn't it? Meaning LSD is exactly what reaches your bloodstream? If not are any of them? I was under the impression at least a couple were.

*Edit, I see weed as somewhat of a psychedelic; especially after smoking post probation. It is like a microdose almost and yea it really intesifies trips. If you haven't done whip-its while on acid: well that is about the only time there worth doing.
 
Relax! You are inexperienced and are learning. I'm not surprised by your experience or reaction. It seems like you handled things well.

As you have experienced, cannabis on psychedelics can be a bit tricky to dose right. Actually for me personally, cannabis has tended to be tricky to dose right even without psychedelics. I had to learn proper smoking technique with different devices and how to titrate myself to a good high but not too high level before I could really enjoy cannabis. It got easier once I started smoking regularly and built a tolerance which increases my margin for error. For various reasons though, I still do exceed my "comfortable" dose level pretty often. This can make be feel extremely anxious. It sucks when it happens, but I'm so used to it, I generally just ride through it. The strongest effects rarely last more than 15-30 minutes or so, and then I'm usually comfortable again. When I smoke cannabis on psychedelics, I'm always extra cautious to avoid this. I can usually tell within 5 minutes or so if I can take more, unless I'm unfamiliar with the particular weed.

I must admit that a lot of what I know about using weed with psychedelisc is intuitive. I have a pretty good feel for where my body is at, even when I'm tripping quite hard. For example, when I trip, I often reach a point at which I can pretty much just binge smoke weed and often do because it provides a nice transition, but if I'm peaking, I always ease in very slowly and let things settle in for 5 minutes or so. By then I can usually tell where it's going.

Even though cannabis boosts psychedelic effects, it's definitely not the same as taking a bigger dose of the psychedelic. I can take a pretty low dose of psychedelic and smoke a lot of weed and get a lot of visual activity, but the quality and clarity of the visuals will likely pale compared to what I'd get from a bigger dose of psychedelic. The same can be said for many other aspects of the psychedelic experience. If you take enough LSD to "destroy your reality" without needing cannabis, it will most certainly feel quite different from what you experienced in your LSD+cannabis trip. Will it be easier for you to handle? Maybe. Many people for whatever reason get along well with big doses of psychedelics but are seriously challenged by even moderate amounts of cannabis. I personally tend to be challenged by both cannabis and psychedelics, and I've largely learned to cope with being caught off guard on either of them.

One other thing I want to point out is that music has a very powerful effect on a trip, and it's not always positive. When I trip, I generally only listen to a subset of my music collection, and I try to choose things that are appropriate, either for the mood or stage of the trip I'm in. What makes music suitable for tripping can be a personal thing, but there are definitely certain kinds of music that tend to work or not work. There are multiple subgenres of music that cater in particular to psychedelic use. This is another thing for you to learn.

Good luck on your next trials! I assume when you say 225 mcg of LSD, you mean 225 mcg of the 1V-LSD, right? If so, that sounds like a good step up.
 
Cannabis is a MUST for tripping for me. I often preroll the joints, blunts, packed pipes etc in case I lose too much bodily control. Oh and no torch haha. Start coming down, cannabis. Next day depression, cannabis. But you see how that is often my answer.

1p-LSD is an LSD prodrug isn't it? Meaning LSD is exactly what reaches your bloodstream? If not are any of them? I was under the impression at least a couple were.
Pre-crumbling is advised especially when susceptible to clammy drug hands or need reading glasses, a real handicap imo :)

Wish that the 1p-LSD prodrug thing is figured out as I have only 3 experiences with LSD that were 30 years ago. And obtaining LSD is just as hard as finding a source for ALD-52.

Which when it was available compared with the effects of 1p-LSD are ime noticeably different. Smoothest on me of all, so that incudes Al-LAD. But they all are smooth.
 
Relax! You are inexperienced and are learning. I'm not surprised by your experience or reaction. It seems like you handled things well.

As you have experienced, cannabis on psychedelics can be a bit tricky to dose right. Actually for me personally, cannabis has tended to be tricky to dose right even without psychedelics. I had to learn proper smoking technique with different devices and how to titrate myself to a good high but not too high level before I could really enjoy cannabis. It got easier once I started smoking regularly and built a tolerance which increases my margin for error. For various reasons though, I still do exceed my "comfortable" dose level pretty often. This can make be feel extremely anxious. It sucks when it happens, but I'm so used to it, I generally just ride through it. The strongest effects rarely last more than 15-30 minutes or so, and then I'm usually comfortable again. When I smoke cannabis on psychedelics, I'm always extra cautious to avoid this. I can usually tell within 5 minutes or so if I can take more, unless I'm unfamiliar with the particular weed.

I must admit that a lot of what I know about using weed with psychedelisc is intuitive. I have a pretty good feel for where my body is at, even when I'm tripping quite hard. For example, when I trip, I often reach a point at which I can pretty much just binge smoke weed and often do because it provides a nice transition, but if I'm peaking, I always ease in very slowly and let things settle in for 5 minutes or so. By then I can usually tell where it's going.

Even though cannabis boosts psychedelic effects, it's definitely not the same as taking a bigger dose of the psychedelic. I can take a pretty low dose of psychedelic and smoke a lot of weed and get a lot of visual activity, but the quality and clarity of the visuals will likely pale compared to what I'd get from a bigger dose of psychedelic. The same can be said for many other aspects of the psychedelic experience. If you take enough LSD to "destroy your reality" without needing cannabis, it will most certainly feel quite different from what you experienced in your LSD+cannabis trip. Will it be easier for you to handle? Maybe. Many people for whatever reason get along well with big doses of psychedelics but are seriously challenged by even moderate amounts of cannabis. I personally tend to be challenged by both cannabis and psychedelics, and I've largely learned to cope with being caught off guard on either of them.

One other thing I want to point out is that music has a very powerful effect on a trip, and it's not always positive. When I trip, I generally only listen to a subset of my music collection, and I try to choose things that are appropriate, either for the mood or stage of the trip I'm in. What makes music suitable for tripping can be a personal thing, but there are definitely certain kinds of music that tend to work or not work. There are multiple subgenres of music that cater in particular to psychedelic use. This is another thing for you to learn.

Good luck on your next trials! I assume when you say 225 mcg of LSD, you mean 225 mcg of the 1V-LSD, right? If so, that sounds like a good step up.

Thanks a lot, I love your post, made me feel better about the “shitting in my pants” psychedelic moment.

Yes, I was talking about 225mcg 1V-LSD.

To be honest, I just started using weed in my psychedelics experiences because the psychedelic dosage / effects were a little mild. I discovered that using weed I could boost the effects, and ended up doing it everytime, since I still haven’t tried a substance and dosage to really make an impression. Guess I’ve pushed the limits of the psychedelic/dosage and now I need to try higer dosages to getthese same effects.

About the “bad experience”….I don’t really know what was I afraid of. I’ve been in that “void” couple of times before, indeed, is exactly what I was aiming for since the first time I got there, and guess is what I’m searching for in psychedelics.

I remember that, my first and second times (4-HO-MET), I was meditating and listening to music, and a certain song that I like started to taking me to that “void”, the female vocals were erotic, and it was like if the song was talking to me, disconnecting from reality and diving very deep in my mind. The sensation was a little thrilling, but not scary at all. Second time I felt it and tripped I noticed that my way of getting there, to that void, was to relax, close the eyes and kind of meditate, while some music, rhythm or whatever would attract my mind to that void, indeed, I tried with the same song and it kinda worked ( got it with other songs too).

But this time, is like if I got there too suddenly… Funny enough, I was listening to THAT SAME SONG that I love for tripping,put it in the second spot of my tripping playlist, so I can relax with the first song and let the second one (my favorite) take me to “the void”. Guess that the galaxy / nebula lights made me visually trip A LOT, I was looking to the ceiling and it was like if I was really looking to the sky and the stars, with the moon and all these wonderful lights. But it was nice, really nice.

Then, all of a sudden, I wasn’t in my man’s cave looking at the galaxy sky, but totally transported to that galaxy and, when the song started to play through my headphones, it sounded like a little out of tune, like low pitched (I’ve experienced that audition hallucinations before, in tune and time). But what once sounded erotic, warm and suggestive, started to sound menacing….dark…. I can’t really express the feeling. The disconnection from reality was very fast and strong, kind of disorienting….and my heart started racing and I was like 160bpm.

I don’t know if it was anxiety induced because of the cannabis dosage (first time I boost the experience with more than 0.5g), if the lights created a setting that was too disorienting (but I love these lights, with cannabis only they are awesome, and I will give it another try with 4-HO-MET, since I’m more experienced with that substance) or it was simply a sensation…

I’m maybe conclusing that weed tends to induce anxiety as you increase the dose, and also exponentiqlly amplify the effects.

So I’ll try to leave the cannabis out of the equation and try higher dosages carefully. If the effects are still under what I’ve exoeriences, maybe I’ll use cannabis, but in a very slowly and careful way.
 
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Pre-crumbling is advised especially when susceptible to clammy drug hands or need reading glasses, a real handicap imo :)

Wish that the 1p-LSD prodrug thing is figured out as I have only 3 experiences with LSD that were 30 years ago. And obtaining LSD is just as hard as finding a source for ALD-52.

Which when it was available compared with the effects of 1p-LSD are ime noticeably different. Smoothest on me of all, so that incudes Al-LAD. But they all are smooth.
Damn it I need to just learn chemistry already lol. ALD-52 is not an LSD prodrug either I infer.

Well that brings two questions to mind of course; How were the lysergamines compared to say nbome or 2c-w/e?
(I actually preferred nbome to 2c-i 2c-b and 2c-d (think d at least? lol) ... Which is strange because I consider mescaline the grail of 'true psychedelics'? I think it was just that 10-60 mg to trip; feels like alot of substance for a trip (reason for body load, mesc puking?).

Yes I realize mescaline are giant ass pills but the 2c-all came in powder therfor was tasted. Anyone else remember 2c-b up the nose? Lol I knew someone that IVd it regularly and was like dude it burns my nose so bad that can't be good. *Speculation of course.

How do you think a broke but fairly intelligent human would go about starting to learn chemistry? (Youtube seems sketch AF and I dont plan to pay 13k a year *I don't know if they even offer organic chemistry* Tell me there is a solid middle ground some where. A mentor would be best Im sure but that is simply an impossibility. (Despite having an uncle pretty high up in Pfizer; speaking of read up on those vaccines once more; some interesting/frightening things have came to light) not just Pfizer but since I spoke of the devils....
 
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Damn it I need to just learn chemistry already lol. ALD-52 is not an LSD prodrug either I infer.

Well that brings two questions to mind of course; How were the lysergamines compared to say nbome or 2c-w/e?
(I actually preferred nbome to 2c-i 2c-b and 2c-d (think d at least? lol) ... Which is strange because I consider mescaline the grail of 'true psychedelics'? I think it was just that 10-60 mg to trip; feels like alot of substance for a trip (reason for body load, mesc puking?).

Yes I realize mescaline are giant ass pills but the 2c-all came in powder therfor was tasted. Anyone else remember 2c-b up the nose? Lol I knew someone that IVd it regularly and was like dude it burns my nose so bad that can't be good. *Speculation of course.

How do you think a broke but fairly intelligent human would go about starting to learn chemistry? (Youtube seems sketch AF and I dont plan to pay 13k a year *I don't know if they even offer organic chemistry* Tell me there is a solid middle ground some where. A mentor would be best Im sure but that is simply an impossibility. (Despite having an uncle pretty high up in Pfizer; speaking of read up on those vaccines once more; some interesting/frightening things have came to light) not just Pfizer but since I spoke of the devils....
They say it is but ime didnt feel so. 1p--LSD doesn't feel exactly like Ald so i assume \LSD too.

Slight differnce's but noticeable to me, afet a few trials.Don't rule out placebo but leaning to different.
 
I would lean to believe you. (I am glad I didn't invest, this was post nbome and I was nbome/2c-etc/DOM/DOB'd..... out unless it was good ol L)

Any idea what additional metabolites may be active? Any potential explanation you can think of
 
How do you think a broke but fairly intelligent human would go about starting to learn chemistry? (Youtube seems sketch AF and I dont plan to pay 13k a year *I don't know if they even offer organic chemistry*

Try your local community college. You'll want two semesters of General Chemistry followed by two semesters of Orgranic Chemistry. Yes, this probably means two years worth of courses. If the courses are taught properly (not dumbed down), expect O Chem to be very difficult and time consuming. I invested something like 30 hours per week total for my 5 credit hour O Chem classes. The lab portions of these courses are critical to learn safe and proper lab skills. YouTube and the like could never substitute for quality lab instruction.

Of course your mileage may vary. The overall quality of higher education in the U.S. has been tanking over the last decade or two IMO. I was very fortunate to find a superb instructor.
 
Ive done college that doesn't scare me. The $$ do a bit though.

Thank you for the advice; I don't think we have a community college but I guess they wouldn't tell you at the uni if they did. I will look into it.

You are right on about higher education too, when I entered it felt like a "scholarly" atmosphere and by the time I left it felt very similar to HS. Sigh.
 
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