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Phenethylamines Question concerning 2C-B HBr shelf life.

Goddamn, i considered myself to be experienced with psychedelics(done shrooms throughout my 20's with a couple heroic doses at 8g+, stopped counting tabs i dropped at 300 and most i've done was properly dosed 300ug tabs multiple times, did 2C-B 3 times, Mescaline once and DMT once) but next to you i feel like a kid in kindergarten lol.

Yeah i think i'll up the dosage of those capsules i was about to make at 13mg so that i can have the equivalent of a 30mg dose.

I Recently bought a DMT vape pen off of a vendor from my country that seems to be specialized in anything DMT and so far i tried it once and haven't touched ot ever since given that i was planning on testing my 2C-B and Mescaline and wanted to have 0 tolerance interferring with the trips.

I took one deep and long pull of the cart(it says one the box the cart came with that 1-4 pulls equals a medium dose but fuck me it felt intense!) and holy shit man, i wasn't anywhere close to breaking thru but it felt like i was teetering on the edge of it at times. I even had the presence of a polygonal jester-like fairy with hearts(just like from the traditional card game) on her wings and she was brandishing a wand and had a huge grin on her face.

I remember when i came down i couldn't stop saying "dude what the fuck" over and over while laughing my ass off.

I can't wait to experiment with it again but i have so many acid tabs/gels on hand, more 2C-B salts and Mescaline coming that it's so hard for me to not want to trip often on any of these. I feel like they would considerably dampen the experience(especially LSD) due to cross tolerance.
LSD induces a 7-10 day tolerance, mescaline a 7 day tolerance, mushrooms a 3-4 day tolerance, but 2C-B, DMT, and for some reason allylescaline have yet to meaningfully form tolerance in my experience, as well as those around me. I'll give you with the allylescaline though, everybody else around me has had terrible times on 25-60mg, but I really gained a lot from 85mg, later redosing 50mg with ~10mg of 2C-B.

DMT will not create any tolerance that interferes with other psychs, and it sounds like you've got a pen worthy of breakthrough there. Have fun with it! DMT is probably the drug that changed me the most, it's like it shatters a stained glass mosaic and as you reassemble it, you realize it's you. Quite a peculiar drug, if you're not on anything that dangerously interacts with MAOIs I'd highly advise looking into pharmahuasca (as well as harmaline's synergy with LSD).
 
I won a gram of his 2cb in a raffle once, and got another gram from free because he shipped me mescaline by mistake. He's a good egg.

The question's already been answered I guess, but yeah I've never heard of 2cb or mescaline degrading over time. I wouldn't be surprised if 3-4 years was a conservative estimate under optimal conditions.

In my case I can only say they've lasted for about a year in my possession with no visible changes or loss in potency. Can't ever seem to make them last longer than that for some reason 😆
 
Anyone have advise on how to get psyched up to trip after you get older? I'm almost 40 and can't seem to do it. I have had a few very intense experiences (beyond "heroic doses") plus metabolic encephalopathy from using propylene glycol to volumetric dose etizolam which put all hallucinogens and combos to shame by a staggering margin.
Side note: I get the best results just adding the word bluelight to a google search (to research stats like shelf life).
 
Anyone have advise on how to get psyched up to trip after you get older? I'm almost 40 and can't seem to do it. I have had a few very intense experiences (beyond "heroic doses") plus metabolic encephalopathy from using propylene glycol to volumetric dose etizolam which put all hallucinogens and combos to shame by a staggering margin.
Side note: I get the best results just adding the word bluelight to a google search (to research stats like shelf life).
2cb you mean?

Just get it in you.

I must have taken it 1000+ times and not once have I found myself saying "gee I really wish I hadn't taken that 2cb". Once it kicks in you'll get into it even if you're anxious beforehand.
metabolic encephalopathy
Consuming PG caused this?
 
I didn't want to use alcohol because alcohol and benzos interact. I read around and propylene glycol is "generally regarded as safe." I made solutions around 1-5 mg/ mL. Of course tolerance builds fast so I did sometimes have over 10 mL un a day maybe even 30 but I thought it was completely nontoxic. I assume it was from daily use as well I think the half-life is 48 hours or something.

Worst part was my family knows I love tripping so they told the ER I took a psychedelic or something. They shot me up with stuff and they almost certainly contained more propylene glycol.

Very long story shorter, they treated the symptoms until my vitals got just under whatever levels so I could go home...I had to go back the next morning because they didn't know or treat root cause. They took a closer look and the doctor said to lay off the propylene glycol (I thought I took DOB and forgot lol). I spent 5 days the second ER trip just to get my CK levels down. I think it was 2000 but they said they've seen way higher in other people, like tens of thousands.

Anyway effects were beyond typical out of body stuff and I cam remember everything (as opposed to DMT or diphenhydramine ime). Portals, helicopters, riots, black ops with M-16s, lasers, delusions (I thought Dale Earnhardt's niece was paying me $15,000 for my p.o.s. 1990 Honda Accord to use in a demolition derby) lots of effects involving gravity distortion among tons of other crazy effects.

I haven't found any similar reports other than infants having metabolic encephalopathy from propylene glycol found in injectable solutions. I guess that means I'm REALLY fucking dumb lol dumber than a dang baby! There were a few other things listed on my discharge paper such as rhabdomyolysis, high anion gap-something, acute kidney injury.

Luckily I'm lucky and nothing worse happened.
 
rhabdomyolysis, high anion gap-something, acute kidney injury.
Oh my, these were caused by PG as well? I've consumed a ton of PG over time (as well as PEG), and never noticed any symptoms from it. I also have a bunch of other underlying health issues though which might complicate it. For etizolam, I was typically dosing it at 10-30mg/mL, so I'd put a single mL in a 2 liter drink and dose it out by the shotglass essentially. Alcohol is pretty unwise for most benzos, etizolam especially, as it crashed back out upon atmospheric exposure. I'd only recommend putting benzos in alcohol if you're laying them onto blotter, personally, but your run-in with PG has me reconsidering that now!
 
DMT is probably the drug that changed me the most, it's like it shatters a stained glass mosaic and as you reassemble it, you realize it's you.
While on 2C-B with a friend and a buddy of him (that was really fun, dropping 2C-B on a summer afternoon 3 min after I have first met him, just trusting it would be a good fit - which it was), we philosophised about the action of various drugs. He described LSD and PCP as being shattered into thousands of glass pieces, and you get to reassemble yourself. But whereas with LSD, you put the pieces together and they just fit and make sense, with PCP you try and nothing fits at all :D Very poetic.
 
While on 2C-B with a friend and a buddy of him (that was really fun, dropping 2C-B on a summer afternoon 3 min after I have first met him, just trusting it would be a good fit - which it was), we philosophised about the action of various drugs. He described LSD and PCP as being shattered into thousands of glass pieces, and you get to reassemble yourself. But whereas with LSD, you put the pieces together and they just fit and make sense, with PCP you try and nothing fits at all :D Very poetic.
Man, I found PCP to honestly be equally as valuable and uh, "sensical" I guess? PCP makes just as much sense as LSD imo, but 4-substituted tryptamines (especially mushrooms though) feel just as confusing as ketamine, MDMA and cannabis. LSD, 2C-B, 25X-NBXX's, MDA, mescaline, DOx's, and ofc amphetamine/methamphetamine all feel super focused though. Opioids, gabapentinoids and benzodiazepines are beyond confusing, they're straight up sedative.
 
I think my propylene glycol problems came from not having a strong enough solution. You should be fine. I was a fucking moron and did like 3mg/ml but took 30mg/ day probably 3x a day now that I'm thinking about it. Plus daily use made it accumulate.
 
I think my propylene glycol problems came from not having a strong enough solution. You should be fine. I was a fucking moron and did like 3mg/ml but took 30mg/ day probably 3x a day now that I'm thinking about it. Plus daily use made it accumulate.
Wait, 30mg 3x a day, or 30mg total broken up into 3 parts? Either way that's an absolute fuckton of etizolam, you must've been physically dependent on it I'm assuming? Even when I'm vaping it, insufflating it, etc. I rarely manage to exceed 6-8mg in a binge.
 
Tolerance completely skyrockets after awhile. I think I got over hundreds of mg/ day (bought grams of powder at a time) at the end and wasn't blacking out. Diclazepam saved me from rehab for sure, not valium, the rc analog. Zero recreational value but cured withdrawal entirely ime just skated off heavy addiction. I had to keep a calendar/ schedule but that's it just weaned of superslow.
 
Tolerance completely skyrockets after awhile. I think I got over hundreds of mg/ day (bought grams of powder at a time) at the end and wasn't blacking out. Diclazepam saved me from rehab for sure, not valium, the rc analog. Zero recreational value but cured withdrawal entirely ime just skated off heavy addiction. I had to keep a calendar/ schedule but that's it just weaned of superslow.
God damn, what was the experience like of building a tolerance that high? I've got some bromonordiazepam on hand which people tend to use to taper off other benzos, but tbh I like bromonordiazepam once every week or so far more than I like etizolam, just my personal take on it.
 
Nothing really changed during that time. My blackout phase was with alprazolam, flualprazolam, and clonazolam (strongest one). I was too scared to try flunitrazolam. I forgot I didn't really blackout on etizolam I just kept having to take more. I did do stupid things like break my leg (smaller bone) going hiking in sneakers slipping on tons of pine needles lol. There were limited withdrawals using diclaz but they were like just feeling a little off. I could still work and socialize just not quite as well. Much better than normal withdrawal hell.
 
Anyone have advise on how to get psyched up to trip after you get older? I'm almost 40 and can't seem to do it.
At 40 I was still able to without too much forethought. Now over 60 yeah, for a full fledged trip I need to have proper set and setting and plan ahead. I have to stick to shorter trips although sprinkle in some acid trips and will till I die. But yes it gets harder. The nervous system is not the same as when younger. This is from someone that could go through a sheet of acid in 2 months 40 years ago. I could trip at work and gatherings and no one knew. Now I would probably melt if someone talked to me that I wasn't expecting.

I want @Esperighanto and @Shinji Ikari to ping me in 40 years and let me know if they are still tripping as hard and as much. ;) I get jealous as I use to be able too. Now every trip has to be planned and thought out. But I value the occasional trip these days.

Tolerance completely skyrockets after awhile. I think I got over hundreds of mg/ day (bought grams of powder at a time) at the end and wasn't blacking out.
Man some of you guys took a lot of benzos. Was not a thing with me growing up, just occasional scripts given at times then nothing for years. But I have to say even on a therapeutic dose of etizolam I could not watch a tv show without having to rewatch it the next day due to periods of amnesia. Yet I read how some people got up to 12-20 mgs a day (and now more) I would get that with any benzo though and dislike that effect so only use them for real issues on occasion. But I remember when etizolam was legal in the US. People got up very high in milligrams and complained about it. Now that it is not as available it has become a legend and glorified.
 
Man some of you guys took a lot of benzos. Was not a thing with me growing up, just occasional scripts given at times then nothing for years. But I have to say even on a therapeutic dose of etizolam I could not watch a tv show without having to rewatch it the next day due to periods of amnesia. Yet I read how some people got up to 12-20 mgs a day (and now more) I would get that with any benzo though and dislike that effect so only use them for real issues on occasion. But I remember when etizolam was legal in the US. People got up very high in milligrams and complained about it. Now that it is not as available it has become a legend and glorified.
The legendary status of etizolam is well deserved in my personal opinion, it has a warmth and euphoria closer to soma than other benzos imo. I'm 26, so I'm ~8 years out of high school, and some of my peers would order grams of etizolam in the mail and do stupid shit like thumbprints of crystal. We had a few cases of serious benzo incidents due to it lol. Sometimes in hs I would take triple digit amounts of alprazolam, but as an adult I've only gone double digits with things like flualprazolam (~16mg once), bromazolam (~24mg once), and I put down maybe 12mg of alprazolam once in a day, but those are all weak numbers compared to people with tolerance. I had some memory issues with the flualprazolam at first, but some speed and/or meth (some sort of amphetamine) pulled me out of it. I think that using benzos a ton in my younger years led to a sort of mild permatolerance, even when adjusted for bodyweight I'm specifically hardheaded towards all GABA agents and amphetamine due to a past of overuse, I suspect. A couple years ago I had a super severe concussion, and in the aftermath I would try to do a lot of reckless things with drugs. My fiance @Felidaez had to haggle me down to only a few milligrams of etizolam because I was trying to bring something like 32mg of etizolam to bed. I had lain etizolam onto candy blocks, and I was trying to bring a couple "knockout" blocks I'd made as emergency tripkillers for when I'm guiding psychedelic sessions.
I want @Esperighanto and @Shinji Ikari to ping me in 40 years and let me know if they are still tripping as hard and as much. ;) I get jealous as I use to be able too. Now every trip has to be planned and thought out. But I value the occasional trip these days.
The only shift I've noticed over time is that the substances I use have changed, mostly due to availability and what I feel "called" towards. I also first touched a psychedelic right before turning 22, so it's only been ~4 years. I suspect my relationship to psychedelics is due to the fact that most people don't have the degree of neurological damage or overall accumulated trauma to sort through, or if they do they're probably scared of not feeling "in control". I was functionally schizphrenic due to brain damage from the ages of 13-19, it fully resolved by time I was 20 thanks to extreme amounts of cannabis use. To this day, if I go 4-5 days without cannabis, I'm completely indstinguishable from somebody with schizophrenia. I always think to myself "What in the world could any psychedelic do that would be more frightening than that". Watching people run into lecture halls and start shooting the students and professor, watching my mother blow her fucking brains out with a handgun, seeing corpses everywhere I go, that was the type of shit I'd hallucinate. My neurologist compared this condition, which we believe to be a demyelination disorder, to endogenously causing something akin to a Benadryl overdose on the daily. TLDR; I think when there is no fear surrounding psychedelics, all they can become is a tool with virtually no downsides.
 
TLDR; I think when there is no fear surrounding psychedelics, all they can become is a tool with virtually no downsides.
Agreed. I always looked at it that way. Not so much fear later in life (or maybe it is, will examine) but just more uncomfortable on the body that is aged. I mean what would happen if we gave someone 80 years old a solid dose of DOM? I know we think that at times. ;) (Did Albert Hoffman take full trips in his 90's or just microdoses? )
 
Agreed. I always looked at it that way. Not so much fear later in life (or maybe it is, will examine) but just more uncomfortable on the body that is aged. I mean what would happen if we gave someone 80 years old a solid dose of DOM? I know we think that at times. ;) (Did Albert Hoffman take full trips in his 90's or just microdoses? )
I don't really find DOM to be difficult on the body, much kinder than 2C-B, mescaline, NBXXs, 4-substituted tryptamines, etc.

Personally, I foresee LSD, DMT, DOC, DOM, allylescaline, 5-MeO-DiPT, MDA, MDMA, any arylcyclohexylamine that isn't 3-HO-PCP, salvia, and cannabis all being kind enough to me at least to be kept around probably forever.
 
While I did find DOM to have a significant bodyload, there is evidence to suggest it should be quite safe in the physiological sense.
 
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