DeathIndustrial88
Bluelighter
I've been on bupe for over 8 years now.
I can't stand it. It's mind numbingly maddening. I think about heroin/full agonists EVERY DAY from the moment I wake up. And it's been this way for years & years.
In the beginning I was actually clean from heroin/full agonists when I tried bupe (back in 2017). And I found it semi-enjoyable. It had a very energizing, chatty-inducing mild euphoria, with mild contentedness & inner peace. Not as good as a full agonist, but close enough that I decided I'd rather have access to bupe every day than nothing & I got on maintenance.
I've always had severe major depression that was helped by opioids.
But obviously bupe's effectiveness has died after daily use for 8 years.
Here are some of the things I found that helped at times...
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Ephedrine/Psuedoephedrine - I don't know why, but something about ephedrine/psuedo made the bupe much more noddy. Not necessarily more euphoric or better or anything, but at times the incredibly MILD euphoria from ephedrine ontop of the almost non-existent bupe euphoria, really helped cravings at times. I can't take ephedrine anymore now though as I have a heart arrhythmia & am trying to stay away from anything that effects the heart or puts more stress on it. But for those with healthy hearts, a low dose of ephedrine can add a little bit extra to your daily bupe.
Gabapentin - I found that if I took a couple gabapentin before my bupe, I would get a little more pain relief, more motivation, more creativity & a tad more mood lift. But if I took the gabapentin after bupe, it would some times over-ride any feeling from the bupe & just make me feel more sedated & lethargic. I've had to stop taking gabapentin as well, since it seems to make my heart palpitations worse when I take it.
THC - In the beginning, smoking a little herb ontop of bupe would kick it up quite a notch. Although I am daily cannabis user & I find that THC doesn't do much with bupe anymore. In fact I find that THC just makes me more drowsy/tired. I have seen a study that showed that people who take bupe & smoke cannabis have like 10x more bupe in their blood than a person who doesn't smoke & uses bupe.
Benadryl - This one is hit or miss. At times I could take a benadryl ontop of my bupe & it would enhance the "warmth" of it & even some music euphoria. But other times I can take a benadryl & it will make me so sedated that I immediately have to go to bed.
Tramadol - This one's pretty obvious. Tramadol has an active full agonist metabolite. So if your receptors aren't full covered, these two combined can really make you feel like you're on a full agonist (well technically you'd be on 2 partial agonists + a full agonist). I find that it can get rid of my cravings & depression up to 95% versus just taking bupe alone. However tramadol is a scheduled substance, so this isn't something practical you can do unless you have a connect for it.
DXM - Now this doesn't really work at first. When I take DXM with bupe, it mostly just enhances the sedative effects of the bupe. However, if I take a big enough DXM dose, usually the day after or the day after that, my bupe feels a little more warm & pain relieving. This dissappears fast though with continued bupe use.
Taking bupe late at night - No clue why this one works. I find that taking bupe in the morning/afternoon just makes me tired & lethargic. But if I take bupe at night time when it's dark out, the bupe makes me more chatty, energized & social. Similar to how it use to feel when I first started it. Why it's like this, I have no idea. My only theory is that our bodies & brains release different chemicals & hormones during the day & at night. And for whatever reason, my body seems to enjoy the bupe better when taken late at night. However this isn't a consistent or persistent thing.
Benzos - I was iffy about putting this one here, because in general benzos tend to dull down the effects of other drugs a lot. But once in awhile, if I'm extremely anxious, a benzo can be mildly enjoyable & relaxing when combined with bupe. This one is also inconsistent. If I take a benzo on a day that I'm not very anxious or two or more days in a row, it tends to just make me really drowsy & flat feeling, rather than enhance bupe in any meaningful way.
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This is about all I've found that really does anything over the past 8 years. And most of these things I can no longer do (ephedrine, gabapentin, etc..).
I dunno if this post counts as a "how can I get high" post. Getting high my be a result for some, but it's ultimately me trying to figure out ways to make buprenorphine more beneficial for pain, cravings & depression. It is so exhausting taking this shit & hoping every day that it'll work & do what it's suppose to, only to feel pretty flat & lethargic from it. Only other thing I can think of to do is a tolerance break, which honestly isn't easy at all. Because I find that when I get up everyday, I feel incredibly tired & lifeless.... until I take my bupe. And then I get like an hour or two of finally feeling like I'm awake & functional. This is when I try to go run around & get my errands done for the day. But by hour 2 or 3, that "awake & functional" feeling turns into "i'm really drowsy like I'm on a strong opioid, but feel nothing other than the drowsiness" type of feeling.
Methadone is not an option for me either thanks to our arbitrary laws & regulations around it.
So what do other people do to stay sane on bupe? I CANNOT go a day without craving or thinking about full agonists. And yes I've been working with therapists, drug counselors, psychiatrists & an addiction specialist for years & years & I basically just keep repeating to them that nothing helps & that I wish opioids were legal & accessible for people to use.
I can't stand it. It's mind numbingly maddening. I think about heroin/full agonists EVERY DAY from the moment I wake up. And it's been this way for years & years.
In the beginning I was actually clean from heroin/full agonists when I tried bupe (back in 2017). And I found it semi-enjoyable. It had a very energizing, chatty-inducing mild euphoria, with mild contentedness & inner peace. Not as good as a full agonist, but close enough that I decided I'd rather have access to bupe every day than nothing & I got on maintenance.
I've always had severe major depression that was helped by opioids.
But obviously bupe's effectiveness has died after daily use for 8 years.
Here are some of the things I found that helped at times...
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Ephedrine/Psuedoephedrine - I don't know why, but something about ephedrine/psuedo made the bupe much more noddy. Not necessarily more euphoric or better or anything, but at times the incredibly MILD euphoria from ephedrine ontop of the almost non-existent bupe euphoria, really helped cravings at times. I can't take ephedrine anymore now though as I have a heart arrhythmia & am trying to stay away from anything that effects the heart or puts more stress on it. But for those with healthy hearts, a low dose of ephedrine can add a little bit extra to your daily bupe.
Gabapentin - I found that if I took a couple gabapentin before my bupe, I would get a little more pain relief, more motivation, more creativity & a tad more mood lift. But if I took the gabapentin after bupe, it would some times over-ride any feeling from the bupe & just make me feel more sedated & lethargic. I've had to stop taking gabapentin as well, since it seems to make my heart palpitations worse when I take it.
THC - In the beginning, smoking a little herb ontop of bupe would kick it up quite a notch. Although I am daily cannabis user & I find that THC doesn't do much with bupe anymore. In fact I find that THC just makes me more drowsy/tired. I have seen a study that showed that people who take bupe & smoke cannabis have like 10x more bupe in their blood than a person who doesn't smoke & uses bupe.
Benadryl - This one is hit or miss. At times I could take a benadryl ontop of my bupe & it would enhance the "warmth" of it & even some music euphoria. But other times I can take a benadryl & it will make me so sedated that I immediately have to go to bed.
Tramadol - This one's pretty obvious. Tramadol has an active full agonist metabolite. So if your receptors aren't full covered, these two combined can really make you feel like you're on a full agonist (well technically you'd be on 2 partial agonists + a full agonist). I find that it can get rid of my cravings & depression up to 95% versus just taking bupe alone. However tramadol is a scheduled substance, so this isn't something practical you can do unless you have a connect for it.
DXM - Now this doesn't really work at first. When I take DXM with bupe, it mostly just enhances the sedative effects of the bupe. However, if I take a big enough DXM dose, usually the day after or the day after that, my bupe feels a little more warm & pain relieving. This dissappears fast though with continued bupe use.
Taking bupe late at night - No clue why this one works. I find that taking bupe in the morning/afternoon just makes me tired & lethargic. But if I take bupe at night time when it's dark out, the bupe makes me more chatty, energized & social. Similar to how it use to feel when I first started it. Why it's like this, I have no idea. My only theory is that our bodies & brains release different chemicals & hormones during the day & at night. And for whatever reason, my body seems to enjoy the bupe better when taken late at night. However this isn't a consistent or persistent thing.
Benzos - I was iffy about putting this one here, because in general benzos tend to dull down the effects of other drugs a lot. But once in awhile, if I'm extremely anxious, a benzo can be mildly enjoyable & relaxing when combined with bupe. This one is also inconsistent. If I take a benzo on a day that I'm not very anxious or two or more days in a row, it tends to just make me really drowsy & flat feeling, rather than enhance bupe in any meaningful way.
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This is about all I've found that really does anything over the past 8 years. And most of these things I can no longer do (ephedrine, gabapentin, etc..).
I dunno if this post counts as a "how can I get high" post. Getting high my be a result for some, but it's ultimately me trying to figure out ways to make buprenorphine more beneficial for pain, cravings & depression. It is so exhausting taking this shit & hoping every day that it'll work & do what it's suppose to, only to feel pretty flat & lethargic from it. Only other thing I can think of to do is a tolerance break, which honestly isn't easy at all. Because I find that when I get up everyday, I feel incredibly tired & lifeless.... until I take my bupe. And then I get like an hour or two of finally feeling like I'm awake & functional. This is when I try to go run around & get my errands done for the day. But by hour 2 or 3, that "awake & functional" feeling turns into "i'm really drowsy like I'm on a strong opioid, but feel nothing other than the drowsiness" type of feeling.
Methadone is not an option for me either thanks to our arbitrary laws & regulations around it.
So what do other people do to stay sane on bupe? I CANNOT go a day without craving or thinking about full agonists. And yes I've been working with therapists, drug counselors, psychiatrists & an addiction specialist for years & years & I basically just keep repeating to them that nothing helps & that I wish opioids were legal & accessible for people to use.
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