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Stimulants Therapeutic doses of methylphenidate based drugs, amphetamine based drugs, and lithium plus seraquel

Methamphetanonymous said:
Yeah agreed. I really like my psych as a person and she is super easy to be vulnerable to and honest. That's the most important thing to me but man she tried to give me serotonin syndrome, a benzo addiction (candy flavored dissolving 2mg clonazepam twice a day one morning one night for 60 days straight [and I am a recovered heavy alcoholic. Benzos are the only drug that when folks told me not to fuck with it- I could sense the fear), and she sent my Vyvanse to the pharmacy despite me saying I want to be done with amphetamines. Think it was just an accident, but I'd rather not find out how far my willpower would stretch with a bottle of amph in the house

Anyways yeah absolutely no amphetamine or aggressive cathinones for this man. Anything that heavily throws off serotonin norepinephrine or dopamine is off the table.

Wellbutrin is gentle enough that 150mg XL could be explored to get him thru some of the early stim withdrawal blues. Should have someone with him during the first week to monitor since it is a DRI
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Be very careful. In the US they are using just having a psychiatrist as grounds to say you were 'acting strange': At which point you will be hauled to a crowded ER and placed in front of a doctor (not YOUR doctor). (who I feel is usually complicit; they know which docs to bring you to) .... at this point your behavior will be 'evaluated' and you may or may not be thrown onto the psych ward for weeks; months even before your doc MAY get to you. (He or she should be alerted immediately but in practice...)

THIS IS WITH NO ACCUSATION OF A CRIME AT ALL; (they just picked your name for whatever contextual reason); You will not be afforded due process and will likely be forced to sign away any liability the hospital MAY have just to get back home.

This is one of about 4 or 5 ways 'they' can straight violate your due process and grab you up because your you basically. (in the US, in most states; not all). TRULY SCARY.
 
smokeymcpot42088 said:
Be very careful. In the US they are using just having a psychiatrist as grounds to say you were 'acting strange': At which point you will be hauled to a crowded ER and placed in front of a doctor (not YOUR doctor). (who I feel is usually complicit; they know which docs to bring you to) .... at this point your behavior will be 'evaluated' and you may or may not be thrown onto the psych ward for weeks; months even before your doc MAY get to you. (He or she should be alerted immediately but in practice...)

THIS IS WITH NO ACCUSATION OF A CRIME AT ALL; (they just picked your name for whatever contextual reason); You will not be afforded due process and will likely be forced to sign away any liability the hospital MAY have just to get back home.

This is one of about 4 or 5 ways 'they' can straight violate your due process and grab you up because your you basically. (in the US, in most states; not all). TRULY SCARY.
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If they say I'm acting strange I'll just tell em I smoke the meths
 
So it wasn’t safe. I fucked up. I think I took like 500 mg. I’m so anxious thru the roof and man I hate it. All I have is seraquek and Clonidine e
 
I don’t was wrong it wasn’t safe and I still abused it at 500mg like wtf. I got high and didn’t realize I was keeeping taking them.

Can I take seraquel 200mg or three hundred to kill it. All it’s been is pure panic anxiety
 
Realistically you need a third party that doesn't live with you to distribute the pills if your addiction tendency is that high, but honestly with adhd, addictive redosing and low threshold for psychosis/mania you need an alternative that isn't abusable. Of which there are very few. I would make those facts extremely clear to your doctor.
 
Juicewrldfan said:
Okay-so before I wasn’t stable and didn’t realize how manic I was. Since then, I have found the perfect medicine regimen for my bipolar disorder. I am more stable than ever and never felt so clear minded and yet I still struggle with adhd. I lost yet another job and I just got it due to forgetting to hat I’m talking about mid sentence in meetings, looking like a airhead, and not completing tasks on time because well just being disorganized and stopping and starting different tasks etc.

So I go back to my adhd doctor tomorrow. This doctor will write basically whatever I ask just not the dosage or frequency. The type of med only.

I have tried the non-stimulant meds with no success due to either side effects or ineffectiveness.

A big benefit of lithium is it’s shown to greatly reduce euphoria from stimulants. I have seen people prescribed lithium and amps many times yet interactions show that there is a risk of SS. I am guessing that’s only in recreational doses?

I am trying to decide if I want a methylphenidate based drug or an amphetamine based drug not for recreational use but only therapeutic doses.

I am giving them to my wife for a safer measure but don’t till abuse them because I’m stable now. Still want to play it safe.

What is your experience with these meds? If you were in my shoes which would you prefer for therapeutic purposes?

I am going to give the meds one more shot while stable and medicated.
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Definitely do not combine Methylphenidate or amphetamines with Seroquel!
They do literally the exact opposite of each other and I've heard people have horrible experiences while the drugs kinda "fight it out". Imagine taking a handful of Imodium and a handful of laxatives and the havok it would cause in your gut. Taking an amphetamine with Seroquel will do that to your brain.

If you're asking for the best stimulating ADHD med, Methylphenidate is the usual starter one, most people seem to like Adderall, and personal I like Dexedrine best.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Definitely do not combine Methylphenidate or amphetamines with Seroquel!
They do literally the exact opposite of each other and I've heard people have horrible experiences while the drugs kinda "fight it out". Imagine taking a handful of Imodium and a handful of laxatives and the havok it would cause in your gut. Taking an amphetamine with Seroquel will do that to your brain.

If you're asking for the best stimulating ADHD med, Methylphenidate is the usual starter one, most people seem to like Adderall, and personal I like Dexedrine best.
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That's not really how chemicals work but neither of us are doctors, so of course if he has frightening symptoms he needs to contact emergency services

Based on the other comments in this thread, OP has struggled with addictive stimulant medication. Therefore the suggestions are all either non-stimulants or non-euphoric stimulants. Bipolar type 1 doesn't usually play well with megadoses of stimulants over a long period of time
 
Methamphetanonymous said:
That's not really how chemicals work but neither of us are doctors, so of course if he has frightening symptoms he needs to contact emergency services

Based on the other comments in this thread, OP has struggled with addictive stimulant medication. Therefore the suggestions are all either non-stimulants or non-euphoric stimulants. Bipolar type 1 doesn't usually play well with megadoses of stimulants over a long period of time
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Yeah, I have a habit of skimming and missing info.
In that case I think generally Vyvanse (lisdexamfetamine) is the least abused of the ADD/ADHD meds, BUTTTT I'd suggest trying Atomoxetine (Strattera) as I think it's the only non-stimulant med that works as well as stuff like Methylphenidate
 
Yeah I mean aside from my in-depth reply that I feel like was glossed over by OP (hope he's okay please report back @Juicewrldfan ), strattera as mentioned above is actually sounding more interesting given the recent situation.

But, yeah, as @Methamphetanonymous has been saying and I think is very important, talk to your what? Talk to your who? D to the O C T O R dog
 
Dude 500 is redicolous! 40mg is practically a bell ringer. I have to assume you can reach such dosages due to other medications???

clonodine yes. seroquel, probably; I don't know how much it will help at that level of stim abuse but sure probably?

500 would drop me, once because I shot my mouth off in the wrong room I ended entering into a tenative I'll take 10 mg every hour. (as it 10 mg was offered and like a douche I said nah man id need at least 40 (not a lie though)....at which point I was basically challenged to do 40mg every hour, I made it like 3 hours and made an irish exit and walked my ass 10 miles in THE WRONG DIRECTION down the highway lol.... By the time I made it home its like 5 am, I run into a good buddy (RIP), hes like "The fuck are you doing out at 5 am and why you way over here" me. "Man its a long story" Him. "Wanna trade some bud for rid". Me coming down * "Yes, strange coincidence, another 20mg to get home."

methanonymous-- I actually think you would be OK in CO, I mean not with the smokin meth line but if you clammed up and claimed rights..... but im not lookin up there laws because I assume you live there in fiction. (aka look it up yourself if it applies)....Im glad you can laugh it off and don't feel threatened as that is not my intent at all; just a warning to all that due process is yesterdays news.
 
Methamphetanonymous said:
Well 200mg seraquel is quite mild. 500mg of methylphenidate is a pretty good chunk though

I mean your call, if you aren't sure get to a doctor

What happened to your wife havin the stimulant
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So I literally drive it strait to get work to keep there. Idk why she brought it home like wtf…can’t blame her tho. My sobriety is my responsibility.

Just if there right in my face it’s impossible for me to not abuse them and them once I’m high I lose it and don’t realize I’ve kept taking them.

I really thought I was going to die last night. And I started shouting them a lot.

I had a total of 60 so yeah I took 500mg. Over the course of the day. And it was literally just a constant state of panic for 8-10 hours. It was horrible.

I’m legit terrified of relapsing again. Because it’s only a matter of time before I go too far.

So yeah I’m not taking them again. Well I accidentally shot clondine while high. I thought it was Ritalin in my state of mind. But I worry I booted that one. And it was mixed with three Ritalin. But that was when I woke this morning. She took them to get rid of them. But I’m a bit concerned that once the Ritalin wears off and I didn’t get any high that it might drop my bp too far. Idk. I’ll probably be okay.
I feel okay right now.
 
Juicewrldfan said:
So I literally drive it strait to get work to keep there. Idk why she brought it home like wtf…can’t blame her tho. My sobriety is my responsibility.

Just if there right in my face it’s impossible for me to not abuse them and them once I’m high I lose it and don’t realize I’ve kept taking them.

I really thought I was going to die last night. And I started shouting them a lot.

I had a total of 60 so yeah I took 500mg. Over the course of the day. And it was literally just a constant state of panic for 8-10 hours. It was horrible.

I’m legit terrified of relapsing again. Because it’s only a matter of time before I go too far.

So yeah I’m not taking them again. Well I accidentally shot clondine while high. I thought it was Ritalin in my state of mind. But I worry I booted that one. And it was mixed with three Ritalin. But that was when I woke this morning. She took them to get rid of them. But I’m a bit concerned that once the Ritalin wears off and I didn’t get any high that it might drop my bp too far. Idk. I’ll probably be okay.
I feel okay right now.
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I only realized it was Clonidine because I saw the cotton was yellow and white after the fact. .2mg. I’m hoping that I didn’t get much of it in the syringe but idk because usually I think clondine is dosed in the micrograms IV
 
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