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Misc Are darknet markets worth it?

Its the only way I shop nowadays. But I only order domestically, and I happen to live in a EU country where prosecution of users is rare. And drugs are cheap. At most i risk a small fine. For example i paid 70 eur for 10 grams of Ketamine shards. Will last me years with my use.

Due to the review system, quality is good and reliable. I still reagent test though. But I would argue it’s safer to buy on DW than the street in my country of residence.

But you need to be crypto and tech savvy.

As for exit scams, I just never hold any monero on the site. Only send exactly what i shop for on a given day.
 
It depemds what youre after.
Some H on dnms and telegram is ridiculously steong compared to street stuff, unless you have a great dealer.
You can get stuff you'd never find sometimes on the street.
Like in the UK you'd have a job finding crystals meth, but on the net it's abundant. You also find it in your home country so only get anything from there so you don't get customs openinf tour stuff.
You can get it ndd too a lot of the time.
If recommended you only buy enough crypto (plus a little extra for fees) and keep it in well rated wallet. Dont keep much in the site wallet in case it disappears.
Bitcoin fees are really high, so use something like litecoin or xmr.
More people are using telegram.
Just read up online, its worth it as you get better, cleaner stuff most of the time.
If you're getting decent stuff off someone you know, I'd stick with that.
Nothing like having a good relationship with ya dealer, especially if they're honest about quality.
 
I love the darknet. Never been scammed never received bunk. Reviews aren't a perfect system and they can be manipulated but they provide a lot more accountability than you have with a 'trust me bro' street dealer you've just met. Many markets exit scam or get seized (usually scam) which sucks especially on the vendor side but in real terms it doesn't affect the average buyer unless the market goes down the same day they place their order, and really that's the only way you might end up losing money that isn't your own fault one way or the other. Not to mention in many cases you have the option of dealing with vendors directly and taking the markets out of the equation completely.

There is a barrier of entry. You have to learn how to acquire and transact using crypto. You have to learn how to use PGP for encryption and verification and unless you really don't mind playing it fast and loose with your OPSEC you have to learn how to install and use a secure operating system like tails.

These are skills worth learning because clickity click drugs in the post literally the next day is awesome and I can't imagine doing it any other way. If you have a long-term reliable dealer who can get you anything you need or live in a country with a robust grey market then I get it, but otherwise I can't see any reason to pass up such an incredible resource. It's a good time to be alive.
 
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axe battler said:
Bitcoin fees are really high, so use something like litecoin or xmr.
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Kind of a moot point isn't it? No DW markets support non privacy coins anyway. It pretty much only monero these days. I remember the early days of BTC mixers though haha.
 
BTC has evolved from an alternative means of payment to a means of storing wealth. It is no longer viable for DN markets for few reasons.
 
I’m American but I’ve gotten stuff sent from Europe and I’ve only been disappointed once out of maybe 5-7 orders? And it wasn’t that I was scammed per se, it just wasn’t quite right.
 
PJACK22 said:
hey all, so in west midlands, coke quality are that SHIT, SERIOUSLY somebody need to upped game FAST! ffs, this has been going for quite a long time, about 5 months now i believe, i just fucking cant find very good quality white anywhere i NEEDED.. so i had to resort back to DN and search for good quality from uk vendor, i can CONFIRMED this, twice i hav tried different uk vendor for coke, the result? CRAPPY QUALITY:cry:

WTF happened to UK drugs market?? and why is it like this atm?? is this because all the austerity still ongoing in uk now?? OR the kinahan hav all together stop supply coke and heroin to the uk?? due to the fact the kinahan are on sanction lists meaning they cant get any money to buy and re supply all the gangs in ukand ireland of course! now, i know this is not confirmed fact but what do u think??

i ask this because in generally. every parts of uk, coke and heroin quality hav been that BAD since last year when kinahan got the sanctions by DEA last year
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To do with Brexit I think, stricter border controls, everything is a lot harder to get in. Unless you grease the right palms of course.
 
opiofr3k said:
that's why best way is to order from a vendor from UK and problem solved :)
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Exactly, it all comes in somewhere, if DN vendors are having trouble getting the gear in then they will bash to make their profits up. never really been a fan of DNM myself but it looks like that's they way things are headed.
 
I feel the "darknet" may be/has been a myth.
2 peeny

I mean how else do people get busted (other than being a jackass)?
 
My 2 cents on my let's say fresh exploration of DW came afterwards I saw some Tails and Network Chuck CB if you want upend your OPSEC a bit better than what one buddy told me couple of years ago he used ( VPN+TOR). And when I decide to try it finally, firstly PGP stuff to learn proper way to use was a bitch alongside dillema choose which market place seems relatively trustworthy, registered an account and order something.

In the end, it turned out that the first link I clicked when went on DW wiki, one with weird name firstly looked, along have somehow at that time for me also a complicated way to make a new account. It took me some time how to do that with PGP,.

Later afterd understood it better, with PGP as 2FA login, message sending and receiving, market have quite some vendors with lots of positive reviews, fast in the EU-domestic delivery shipment and being basicaly only as DDM type.
So with the XMR bought through one exchange site, where I didn't need to prove my identity and registering a new account. Just by my abroad RT account I could buy coin. When XMR came later on my Wallet than as instructed in FAQ of DM I transferred coin to market acc. Ordering was quite easy, 2 vendors for my first small of Amph order were decided on their reviews, the shipping address was given as preferred, with PGP the righ way.
They accepted it quite fast, and except my initial worry thought of domestic delivery time seemed longer than expected, but in the end it went fast under week time received. A whole positive experience, as what reviews they had turned out to be correct 100 %.
 
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Could anyone explain to me how darkweb is different to clearnet? I can buy from clearnet vendors who ship from abroad so customs would be same issue. If darknet, how are they LESS reliable than some random clearnet I've never heard of who could equally make off with my bitcoin and never send me anything? Is it because Clearnet vendors at least have to present a facade of being respectable (reviews etc, which might be bought/fake?).
 
It takes more effort to set up a clearnet website and payment processes, especially if its bank transfers, and all the organisation that goes into order processing and having the items stored at a differnt address etc. By comparison a DNM account can be relatively easy to set up and throw away. So that would be one good reason imo.

Obviously that's not to say clearnet vendors will always be reliable. But there's a higher chance that blatant scammers wouldnt go to all that effort to set up a clearnet website. At least not right from the outset.

Also the more long standing traders on the DNM will be more trusted so things arent quite as cut and dried as all that, there's quite a lot of nuances and various factors to look into with both. Positive feedback can be paid for and faked on the DNMs, but lots of negative reviews would obviously be a clear red flag.

Word of mouth / personal recommendations from trusted known people are the best ways of verifying both types.

You used to be able to check out clearnet vendors on trustpilot, but TP have dissasociated themselves from all of these business some time ago. Even on there many reviews were obviously fake, but you soon got an instinct for which reviews were genuine, and which were fake.
 
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sadasaulna said:
Could anyone explain to me how darkweb is different to clearnet? I can buy from clearnet vendors who ship from abroad so customs would be same issue. If darknet, how are they LESS reliable than some random clearnet I've never heard of who could equally make off with my bitcoin and never send me anything? Is it because Clearnet vendors at least have to present a facade of being respectable (reviews etc, which might be bought/fake?).
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Darkweb you know the reviews are from genuine customers, to sell on a darknet you have to deposit upwards of £1000 just to start selling, darknet has escrow so you can get your money back, lot harder for the law to catch you on darknet.

The clearnet is available to any wanker with an internet connection - zero chance of getting your money back.
 
Ismene2 said:
Darkweb you know the reviews are from genuine customers, to sell on a darknet you have to deposit upwards of £1000 just to start selling, darknet has escrow so you can get your money back, lot harder for the law to catch you on darknet.

The clearnet is available to any wanker with an internet connection - zero chance of getting your money back.
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Your reply is the opposite of mine, but I didn't know about the £1,000 deposit on the DNMs. The escrow and LE detection and capture angles are also good points.

But how can you be sure that the feedback system can't be manipulated?

I have an innate scepticism of all feedback systems by this point, as they all seem to be open to at the very least getting false positives from bogus transactions, from dummy accounts, that never took place.

If not outright buying positive reviews by the dozens, or tasking your employees, friends, family w/e to create obvious fake reviews by the dozen in the days of trust pilot on the clear net. In cases where scammers had been flooded with negatives from aggrieved customers and they'd desperately try to recover their feedback ratings.
 
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Bleaney said:
Your reply is the opposite of mine, but I didn't know about the £1,000 deposit on the DNMs. The escrow and LE detection and capture angles are also good points.

But how can you be sure that the feedback system can't be manipulated?

I have an innate scepticism of all feedback systems by this point, as they all seem to be open to at the very least getting false positives from bogus transactions, from dummy accounts, that never took place.

If not outright buying positive reviews by the dozens, or tasking your employees, friends, family w/e to create obvious fake reviews by the dozen in the days of trust pilot on the clear net. In cases where scammers had been flooded with negatives from aggrieved customers and they'd desperately try to recover their feedback ratings.
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There's ways of scamming on the darknet but whats the point? If you have hundreds of negative reviews then your buisness fails. If you need to sell a thousand quid just to break even - why scam? After your first 50 reviews say "scammer" you're not selling anything else.

Another big difference is on the clearnet wouldnt you own the website you sell from? So you just delete any reviews you dont like. I've left a couple of shit reviews on the darknet and you can tell how they react that they consider it a threat to their business.
 
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