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It was so dumb for the jews to put their country there amidst their muslim desert enemies. All for archaic religious reasons. They were super accepted in Europe and America after WW2.

Religion is dumb as a brick of shits and is made for people with no personality.
 
"This is total bollocks mate" isn't the best counter-argument. You also haven't picked apart any specific point except tell me that somehow "British is best" when it comes to spying. Let me break it to you gently, you haven't changed my mind - and I see a whole lot more truth in that video than your comment.
1. The presenter, 'lowkey', is some shifty looking grime rapper nobody.
2. DDN founder is linked back to Jeremy Corbyn; I don't know if you understand British politics, but he's a far-left leftover from the same time as Roger Waters, who still fall into the overly simplistic trap of 'Israel bad therefore their opponents good' i.e. Hamas.

MI6 and GCHQ were operating for 30 years before Israel even came into existence. They operated through both world wars, and subsequently established the CIA and Mossad due to their expertise. The notion that Israel has subverted the British system is just fucking ludicrous. I'm not saying that because I love Britain and think Britain is exceptional, it is just a statement of fact - the only intelligence superior would be Rome/Jesuit's, but they were mainly dealing with interpersonal espionage and ciphers.

The five-eyes system is run by Britain. Everyone thinks America dominates, due to its scale and spending, but in reality it is Britain. Even when it comes to special forces, the British SAS are regarded as the worlds best. Why? Because we have been doing it the longest. Israel is nothing compared to either America or Britain, it wouldn't even exist or continue to exist without both. Yes, Israel has done some exceptional work in electronic warfare, but if you think it has leapfrogged the British that's because your bias is clouding your judgement.
 
I think you should request a refund from whatever institution you learned your history from.

They are mentioned in history books as unfair victims of the worst genocide ever, along with having been persecuted for centuries. They get lots of positive attention for being an intelligent and scholarly people. Many nobel laureates and famous writers are jews. Kosher salt is normal salt in the US. Such is the general idea about jews in the western world. In the muslim desert, normal people still hate jews.

Also who pays for elementary school?
 
I don't know where you live. It may of course be true that the change was not instant. However, the rise and fall of nazi germany was indeed a great turning point for the general perception of jews among western nations.

In 2024 it's clear that it would've been better for jews to integrate in western society at an even higher rate, than to try and revive and maintain the state of Israel. In western society they are treated as equals or even as an interesting special people. In the muslim desert they still trigger conflict and wars, partly due to religious bullshit and partly due to the abrupt creation of their state.

Without Israel jews would've been totally impeccable by now.
 
Here? People like me, and let me tell ya, bud....I'm but a lost soul of a pagan. :D

I don't get what you mean.

Did you pay for school as a kid?

Good on you for being a lost soul of a pagan. That appears to be a very apt and fitting disposition for a person of today.
 
Did you pay for school as a kid?
Of course not. I help pay for the schools now as an adult through taxation.
Good on you for being a lost soul of a pagan
It's not an achievement....and the "lost soul" was a bit of a joke, mate.
That appears to be a very apt and fitting disposition for a person of today.
The lost bit would, I agree.


Anyway....back to the Jews...sorry for hijacking the thread.
 
Of course not. I help pay for the schools now as an adult through taxation.

That you do, of course. However, that doesn't make sense in the context of the comment about getting a personal refund for one's historical education.

If anything, it would entail everyone getting a very (dare i say pointlessly) slight refund for my allegedly failed education. Anyway, i have at least acquired the ability to argue my point, thus differentiating me and my bold big brain take from my detractor and his thereby performatively self-parodical oneliner. 🤺
 
That you do, of course. However, that doesn't make sense in the context of the comment about getting a personal refund for one's historical education.
I publicly apologise. I jumped in at the wrong time, missed the context, and commented without getting it all.

Carry on.
 
I publicly apologise. I jumped in at the wrong time, missed the context, and commented without getting it all.

Carry on.

Words fail to express the sincere gratitude i feel for your humble and refreshingly disaffected interlude
 
In 2024 it's clear that it would've been better for jews to integrate in western society at an even higher rate, than to try and revive and maintain the state of Israel. In western society they are treated as equals or even as an interesting special people.
Err.. do we need to perhaps open a book on the history of Europe/Russia from 1880 to 1945? And then another covering the prior thousand years of European history? The RC Church has always seen Jews as a competitor. There was a Jewish ghetto in Rome from 1555 under direct Papal Bull right through to WW2, when the gestapo marched in and took Jews (and the Pope said fuck all about it, and also denied knowledge of the holocaust which turned out to be a fucking lie). It was the most undesirable part of Rome, they walled it off, and locked them in at night. Not exactly treated as equals.
In the muslim desert they still trigger conflict and wars, partly due to religious bullshit and partly due to the abrupt creation of their state.
Err.. do we need to perhaps open a book on the history of centuries of Islamic conquests?
Without Israel jews would've been totally impeccable by now.
I can almost 100% guarantee this would not be the case, and you'd still have Muslims and far-left fools blaming Jews for secretly running the world, dominating media and banking, and so forth. It is a safe bet. Given that when you look at the past 2000 years Jews have continuously been the scapegoat when peoples or societies begin to wonder why their lives are so miserably shite and lash out at the first easy target pushed their way.

It is a well trodden path in the collective psyche. And the majority of people are ignorant fools, who'd rather give in to the persuasive temptations of the impulsive, primitive parts of our neurological structure given the right moment for it, like some demented chimpanzee. And that's all without taking into consideration the more cynical, calculating bastards out there who understand all this and would seek to utilize Jews as scapegoats in order to personally benefit from it.
 
Err.. do we need to perhaps open a book on the history of Europe/Russia from 1880 to 1945? And then another covering the prior thousand years of European history? The RC Church has always seen Jews as a competitor. There was a Jewish ghetto in Rome from 1555 under direct Papal Bull right through to WW2, when the gestapo marched in and took Jews (and the Pope said fuck all about it, and also denied knowledge of the holocaust which turned out to be a fucking lie). It was the most undesirable part of Rome, they walled it off, and locked them in at night. Not exactly treated as equals.

Err.. do we need to perhaps open a book on the history of centuries of Islamic conquests?

I can almost 100% guarantee this would not be the case, and you'd still have Muslims and far-left fools blaming Jews for secretly running the world, dominating media and banking, and so forth. It is a safe bet. Given that when you look at the past 2000 years Jews have continuously been the scapegoat when peoples or societies begin to wonder why their lives are so miserably shite and lash out at the first easy target pushed their way.

It is a well trodden path in the collective psyche. And the majority of people are ignorant fools, who'd rather give in to the persuasive temptations of the impulsive, primitive parts of our neurological structure given the right moment for it, like some demented chimpanzee. And that's all without taking into consideration the more cynical, calculating bastards out there who understand all this and would seek to utilize Jews as scapegoats in order to personally benefit from it.

I'm talking about recent times, having previously mentioned and acknowledged the long-standing persecution of jews. You tell me to "open a history book" and proceed to detail more examples of a historical condition that i've already acknowledged.

Your point about islamic conquests is very vague. I wouldn't think our views differ that much. Thanks again for the haphazard condescension about "history books", serves to drive my point home.

Yeah sure a few extremists would hate jews even without Israel. But there would be no serious criticism. The far-left perspective seems to focus almost exclusively on Israel vs Palestine, preferring in all other accounts to demonize the nazis and protect the jews as a minority.
 
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The point here is that they weren't persecuted and scapegoated, as your twisted history books may have taught you, they did in fact bring it on themselves.

I'm inclined to agree somewhat. Reality is seldom as simple as portrayed in this case. The reductive and moralist recounting of events as unilateral, with blame placed firmly on the western nations, is another example of the current general perception of jews (in western nations) being a rather positive, at times almost reverent, one. It actually serves as a good example of that even if it's completely true.
 
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The point here is that they weren't persecuted and scapegoated, as your twisted history books may have taught you, they did in fact bring it on themselves.
Edict of Expulsion - Wikipedia
The first Jewish communities are recorded in England some time after the Norman Conquest in 1066, moving from William's towns in northern France.[2] Jews were viewed as being under the direct jurisdiction and property of the king,[3] making them subject to his whims, who could tax or imprison them as he wished, without reference to anyone else.[4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion#cite_note-7 A very small number of Jews were wealthy, as Jews were allowed to lend money at interest, while the Church forbade Christians from doing so, as this was regarded as the sin of usury.[6] Capital was in short supply and necessary for development, including investment in monastic construction and facilitating aristocrats to pay heavy taxes to the crown, so Jewish loans played an important economic role,[7] although they were also used to finance consumption, particularly among the overstretched landholding Knights.[8]

The Church's highest authority, the Holy See, had placed restrictions on Jews mixing with Christians, and mandated the wearing of distinctive clothing such as tabula, or Jewish badges, at the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215.[9] These measures were adopted in England at the Synod of Oxford in 1222. Church leaders made the first allegations of ritual child sacrifice, such as crucifixions at Easter in mockery of Christ, and the accusations began to develop themes of conspiracy and occult practices. King Henry III backed allegations made against Jews of Lincoln after the death of a boy named Hugh, soon known as Little Saint Hugh.[10] Such stories coincided with the rise of hostility within the Church to the Jews.[11]
You literally do not understand European history.

Jews were allowed to be the 'court Jew', the money changers, because the Church considered usury a sin. It just also happened to forbid and exclude Jews from any other trade, leaving them with the option of being the devils right hand man, or dirt on someone's shoe.
Last I checked, the Brits didn't have a hand in Pegasus, the world's no.1 spying tool, created by the Israeli government, and used by tyrants and dictators to the world over to crush any form of rebellion or uprising.
Last time I checked, the Anglo-American Echelon program has been spying on the entire planet for the past couple of decades. Who gives a fuck about some mobile phone backdoor software. The Five-Eyes network literally has tentacles into every single electronic communications method, and right down into the physical hardware and chips of these technologies. And they managed to do all this for decades without any media scrutiny.

World no.1 spying tool lmao. So good.. that they've been caught with their pants down? Give me a break. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

I do love the irony of you making the insinuation the the Israeli's are the top dogs, with their little phone software, when in reality the Anglo-American system literally dominates the planet and they managed to do it for decades. It wasn't even fully known until the past decade, just how pervasive and deep Echelon was, until Snowden blew the whistle. DECADES. That's the measure of a successful espionage operation, how long and well you can go undetected.
 
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Edict of Expulsion - Wikipedia

You literally do not understand European history.

Jews were allowed to be the 'court Jew', the money changers, because the Church considered usury a sin. It just also happened to forbid and exclude Jews from any other trade, leaving them with the option of being the devils right hand man, or dirt on someone's shoe.

Last time I checked, the Anglo-American Echelon program has been spying on the entire planet for the past couple of decades. Who gives a fuck about some mobile phone backdoor software. The Five-Eyes network literally has tentacles into every single electronic communications method, and right down into the physical hardware and chips of these technologies. And they managed to do all this for decades without any media scrutiny.

World no.1 spying tool lmao. So good.. that they've been caught with their pants down? Give me a break. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

I guess the families of these two dead journalists might give a fuck about Pegasus


But it's okay, they're only journalists?

And here's an even longer list, if that one wasn't enough:


All collateral damage? All perfectly acceptable?
 
just say Zionist instead of Jew and it's okay now apparently ;)

Were you not interested in the argument you started? May it be for the reason that you found yourself unable to follow-up on your kneejerk sentiment with actual arguments? Were you thinking that calling someone ignorant would suffice?
 
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