• MDMA &
    Empathogenic
    Drugs

    Welcome Guest!
  • MDMA Moderators: Esperighanto

Why is MDMA addiction so much rarer than other stimulants?

Back in my heavy use days I could take up to 5-6 good quality mdma pills in one night. Obviously this was too many, cause negative comedowns and I would be totally fried, yes the first hit was always the best and a double dose on the initial hit was a common theme. I knew people at clubs taking up to 15 pills! Which seems crazy. I stopped at the beginning of the drought in the UK as after taking nearly 10 love hearts at a rave I was dubious about the contents of the pills. It isnt until looking back now that the best night's on mdma/pills I experienced I didn't over do it. That's my motto these days is to have 2 nice doses in a night and leave it at that.
 
I think its simply because it doesn't pack a punch after you abuse it. Beginning of 2020 I went through grams of MDMA a week and after awhile you are not even chasing a high, you are just snorting lines and your whole body is jerking and you are extremely dysphoric. At least with other stimulants you can binge them and still get some euphoria, after a MDMA binge there is the opposite of euphoria. The feeling after is much worse too than a regular stimulants binge (I'd imagine, never binged on regular stimulants only MDMA)
 
lennyd79 said:
Back in my heavy use days I could take up to 5-6 good quality mdma pills in one night. Obviously this was too many, cause negative comedowns and I would be totally fried, yes the first hit was always the best and a double dose on the initial hit was a common theme. I knew people at clubs taking up to 15 pills! Which seems crazy. I stopped at the beginning of the drought in the UK as after taking nearly 10 love hearts at a rave I was dubious about the contents of the pills. It isnt until looking back now that the best night's on mdma/pills I experienced I didn't over do it. That's my motto these days is to have 2 nice doses in a night and leave it at that.
Click to expand...
Exactly and be happy that you were abusing a substance that's very forgiving.

A gram and a half of some substituted cathinones could be very very bad news.
 
I think because it works on serotonin. After MDMA you just want to rest and get back to normal to feel good and function. The last thing you want is more.

Stimulant's work on dopamine (reward system) you just want to keep feeding it to feel good, normal and function.
Why they are so addictive.
 
mdmaxanaxketamine said:
I think its simply because it doesn't pack a punch after you abuse it. Beginning of 2020 I went through grams of MDMA a week and after awhile you are not even chasing a high, you are just snorting lines and your whole body is jerking and you are extremely dysphoric. At least with other stimulants you can binge them and still get some euphoria, after a MDMA binge there is the opposite of euphoria. The feeling after is much worse too than a regular stimulants binge (I'd imagine, never binged on regular stimulants only MDMA)
Click to expand...
Tachyphilaxis with Dysphoria

Stops getting you high starts making you feel like crap.
 
garygroundwork said:
I think because it works on serotonin. After MDMA you just want to rest and get back to normal to feel good and function. The last thing you want is more.

Stimulant's work on dopamine (reward system) you just want to keep feeding it to feel good, normal and function.
Why they are so addictive.
Click to expand...
MDMA has a large dopamine release too.

The issue is tachyphilaxis with dysphoria MDMA has it most of the drugs don't.
 
new2drugs said:
I thought mdma depletes your serotonin and therefore it won't work again until you return to base. This takes a few days
Click to expand...
it takes me like months until i can feel mda or mdma again.. i'm schizophrenic so i don't know if that has anything to do with it.

i was using lsd analogues like 3 days a week for a couple years... i could never do that with mdma... i went literally three weeks after taking a half of this mda pill that was fire. i took the other half three weeks later, and literally got no effect. i tried mdma a few times through out the coming year every few months and rolls that people were saying were quality wouldn't get to me. only one time did i feel really weird. i didn't really enjoy it though.

for the sake of the thread, i think even if a person is taking something once a week or even every couple of months. if they want it enough, it's still kind of an addiciton.
 
WellTram said:
Short biological half-life, less dopamine, huge serotonine overload. Maybe cause of this.
Click to expand...
It's got relatively the same profile as many of the methcathinones (bath salts). However, bath salts don't result in dysphoria when re-dosed multiple times or multiple days.

Using MDMA multiple times in a night and or multiple consecutive days in a row results in dysphoria and also tachyphilaxis which means it stops working after about 4 or 5 days of consecutive use regardless of dose.

That's why people tend not to become addicted to MDMA.

As an example, methylone which is the beta ketone analog of MDMA and also a methcathinone provides no dysphoric reaction when redosing for hours and hours.

You can also get away with doing methylone multiple days in a row.
 
I heard tolerence builds up in a few days so you stop feeling it if you try to take it daily?

Im actually searching that right now, and studyimg/trying to learm about similar drugs tolerences that are simular to Molly such as Myristicin, Safrole, Elemicim, (Nutmeg) etc...
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Why is MDMA addiction so much rarer than other stimulants?

is it because it fucks you up so badly when you abuse it or that it doesn’t work well used repeatedly like meth?
Click to expand...
I think it's both of these factors. It builds tolerance faster than meth, and you have a limited quantity of serotonin to dump (the serotonin dump being the main factor behind the "magic") so taking it often just makes it stop working. Meth seems to build tolerance slower and continue giving you the desired effect for a longer period.

I'm not particularly sensitive to MDMA comedowns, but I could see them getting really nasty with frequent use as even adding a redose makes the comedown noticably worse.

I do have a very addictive nature. If I were able to take MDMA more often, I certainly would and I would most likely find myself with a severe addiction. I may already be experiencing a level of psychological addiction just going by the way I get this childlike joy, so much so that even my arm hairs stand up straight, even thinking about taking MDMA. I don't even get that excited about seeing my girlfriend. (Though I'm working on that, drug use has kinda fucked with my dopamine)

This is why I'll never try meth. If it's 1% as nice as MDMA, I would abuse the fuck out of it.
 
Last edited:
SotPoker1012 said:
I think it's both of these factors. It builds tolerance faster than meth, and you have a limited quantity of serotonin to dump (the serotonin dump being the main factor behind the "magic") so taking it often just makes it stop working. Meth seems to build tolerance slower and continue giving you the desired effect for a longer period.

I'm not particularly sensitive to MDMA comedowns, but I could see them getting really nasty with frequent use as even adding a redose makes the comedown noticably worse.

I do have a very addictive nature. If I were able to take MDMA more often, I certainly would and I would most likely find myself with a severe addiction. I may already be experiencing a level of psychological addiction just going by the way I get this childlike joy, so much so that even my arm hairs stand up straight, even thinking about taking MDMA. I don't even get that excited about seeing my girlfriend. (Though I'm working on that, drug use has kinda fucked with my dopamine)

This is why I'll never try meth. If it's 1% as nice as MDMA, I would abuse the fuck out of it.
Click to expand...
After the come down I've just had and am still having, I never want to try again. I'm still floating and dizzy today which is 5 days, and my mouth cheek is agony.

I was out of it on Saturday and didn't really enjoy myself as I was a rubber man.
 
new2drugs said:
After the come down I've just had and am still having, I never want to try again. I'm still floating and dizzy today which is 5 days, and my mouth cheek is agony.

I was out of it on Saturday and didn't really enjoy myself as I was a rubber man.
Click to expand...
Are you taking any supplements to help? If not, I suggest taking "alpha lipoic acid", "N-acetyl cysteine", and 5-htp. The first two are antioxidants that should help with some of the stress you put on your brain. 5-htp will help raise your serotonin levels back to normal.
I will say that if you use opiates at all, NAC seems to block their effects for a few hours after taking it.

It's a little late now, but if you ever take anything like this again, I suggest you take magnesium with it because that will reduce the teeth clenching that (presumably) led to your sore cheek.

Also, make sure you're eating and getting enough sleep.

Follow up question, are you certain it was MDMA you took? And how much did you take? I ask because five days with no end in sight is on the higher end of the mdma comedown spectrum, but definitely not out of the question, especially if you took a large dose.
 
SotPoker1012 said:
Are you taking any supplements to help? If not, I suggest taking "alpha lipoic acid", "N-acetyl cysteine", and 5-htp. The first two are antioxidants that should help with some of the stress you put on your brain. 5-htp will help raise your serotonin levels back to normal.
I will say that if you use opiates at all, NAC seems to block their effects for a few hours after taking it.

It's a little late now, but if you ever take anything like this again, I suggest you take magnesium with it because that will reduce the teeth clenching that (presumably) led to your sore cheek.

Also, make sure you're eating and getting enough sleep.

Follow up question, are you certain it was MDMA you took? And how much did you take? I ask because five days with no end in sight is on the higher end of the mdma comedown spectrum, but definitely not out of the question, especially if you took a large dose.
Click to expand...
It was ecci. I've still got about 5 pills left that I can give away to others cause I'm NOT doing them.

I just feel a little dizzy and if I have one alcoholic drink I feel like I've had about 3.

I'm sure it will return to normal soon. Had plenty of sleep and been eating normally.

Every so often I get a falling feeling. Never again as they say
 
Last edited:
I ll replace Meth with Speed, as that what the Dutch prefer.
But you can take that everyday, without losing effectiveness.
I am prescribed it, and especially oral its sustainable effective.

I am excluding a certain group of people, who do go totally overboard,
and abuse the shit out of it. Maybe they build tolerance.
Need bigger doses, i don t know as that s no me.
Overdid it once and never again.

Would i apply the same scenario on MDMA, but change daily.
Like Speed, to weekend warrior style MDMA taking.
After a couple week s/ month s taking a pill felt like putting a light switch on.

So the MDMA experience was gone,
except a slight click putting the exhausted Serotonin on was felt.
At that point obviously not worth the costs, possible brain damage.
Never had the LTC, but did quite as when you see the spiral your in.

You can go out or stay in. I got out.
 
I'd say the tachphyilaxis (new word to me), is the primary reason. Fairly quickly, dosing MDMA repeatedly not only doesn't get the desired effect, it actually feels bad. I know there are people who have indeed abused it, but typically the stories you hear about abuse are someone taking it every single weekend, or a few times a week, not impulsively redosing every few hours for weeks or months on end. (Although I know it's happened).

It is fairly self limiting in that way. I've struggled with other substances (kratom), but have never felt the desire to compulsively take MDMA.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top