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I'd really like to see an analysis of how much Putin is involved in all this 🤔

The answer definitely isn't zero. Blame Biden for supporting genocide to get Trump reelected. It's his only hope to win in Ukraine.
 
Soso78 said:
They are warning them to help excuse what they are about to. Cant u see that?

They will slaughter loads then say we tried up warm them
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What's the point though? So many just blindly believe that Israel are genocidal maniacs whether they warn their enemies about attacks or not. Israel are damned if they and damned if they don't.

They are warning them to try and convince Hamas to, you know, save their own citizens by handing over the hostages. But we both know Hamas are never going to do that. And yet, people will still see this as an indictment on Israel and not the terrorists holding both Israelis and their own people hostage.

Soso78 said:
Ye Hammas not big on morals mate 🙄
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I'm well aware. I was making light of a previous claim by nepalnt that Hamas are more moral than Israel which just speaks to the utter moral confusion and ideological capture of anyone that can believe such rubbish.
 
swilow said:
They could do the thing that the "more moral" group should do which would save its people.
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if every member of hamas turned themselves in, there would still be palestinians being slaughtered in the biggest concentration camp in the world.
 
Electrum1 said:
Just quote the posts you want to respond to and then post the quote in the other thread so whoever you're replying to knows what's going on
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hey, thanks man, this is great!

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how do you feel about this section at the timestamp?

 
nepalnt21 said:
the biggest concentration camp in the world.
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I know this is hyperbole, but there are definitely bigger and real "concentration camps". Such as what the Uyghur people are going through in China. That is actual ethnic cleansing.

nepalnt21 said:
if every member of hamas turned themselves in, there would still be palestinians being slaughtered
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I disagree, but I'm very disappointed that Israel now apparently wants to end Palestine as a state. They need the big boy countries to tsk tsk.
 
swilow said:
What's the point though? So many just blindly believe that Israel are genocidal maniacs whether they warn their enemies about attacks or not. Israel are damned if they and damned if they don't.

They are warning them to try and convince Hamas to, you know, save their own citizens by handing over the hostages. But we both know Hamas are never going to do that. And yet, people will still see this as an indictment on Israel and not the terrorists holding both Israelis and their own people hostage.


I'm well aware. I was making light of a previous claim by nepalnt that Hamas are more moral than Israel which just speaks to the utter moral confusion and ideological capture of anyone that can believe such rubbish.
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Ye I get what ur saying but Israel has killed way more innocent people than hammas so they not much better.

We will see how the Rafa shit unfolds. Think everyone already knows by the time this is done there won’t be many returning to there homes in Gaza.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
I know this is hyperbole
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hyperbole?!?!?! how can you say that? it's LITERALLY a concentration camp.

gaza was already an open air prison, and the gazans have been forced to a TINY little spot in south gaza after most of gaza was levelled.

over a million, maybe a million and a half ppl in rafah, how is it not a concentration camp?

and are you sure there's one bigger in china? i am sure more people have gone through their "reeducation" indoctrination programs, but more than 1.5 million in one camp at one time? i'm really asking cause i'm not super up on the china stuff atm.




Snafu in the Void said:
actual ethnic cleansing
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it's not even up for debate, israel IS doing a literal ethnic cleansing. how can you argue against that?
 
nepalnt21 said:
why can't you respond to the SUBSTANCE of what he said?
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because there was no substance there other than shit I already addressed 4 months ago. The humanitarian suffering in Palestine is a result of Hamas and the people who put them in power. I feel very sorry for the children who truly had no part in it. They will have to choose eventually if they are going to continue that cycle when they become of age or if they're going to leave their sick religion of violence and death.
 
nepalnt21 said:
it's LITERALLY a concentration camp.
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It's literally a city in a war zone. Literally doesn't mean "similar".

Snafu in the Void said:
but I'm very disappointed that Israel now apparently wants to end Palestine as a state
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I don't know if this is precisely what is being said. Israel have voted against unilateral creation of a state ie. For their security concerns, they want to be part of the negotiations.

I also think that discussing a Palestinian state right now, after the October 7th attacks, would seem to be conceding to the demands of terrorists and rewarding such actions.

I'm hopeful that eventually there is a state for Palestinians and one that isn't geared towards destruction of the Jews from the ground up. That's going to require a seismic shift to Palestinian culture and the overarching narrative they tell about their existence. Imo, that change is very unlikely under their current ideology but we can hope.
 
nepalnt21 said:
it's not even up for debate, israel IS doing a literal ethnic cleansing. how can you argue against that?
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Umm, as said before, 20% of Israel's population are native Palestinians, almost 2 million people.

If it was actually ethnic cleansing, OR a "concentration camp", this would not be so.

There is almost more Palestinians living in Israel than living in Gaza.....

I have seen zero accounts of Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship being fucked with in any manner whatsoever. What I DO see is Jews from all around the world who having nothing to do with it being fucked with by people who apparently think they're the devil.


nepalnt21 said:
and are you sure there's one bigger in china? i am sure more people have gone through their "reeducation" indoctrination programs, but more than 1.5 million in one camp at one time?
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"Over 1 million people, mainly Uyghurs, have been arbitrarily detained in “re-education” or “de-extremification” facilities since 2017. More than 380 suspected detention facilities in the Uyghur Region have been built or expanded between 2017 and 2020, "

Israel is not systematically "re-educating" or putting all 2 million people in Gaza in any sort of camp.

They may be committing war crimes, sure... but it's not fucking genocide or ethnic cleansing or Nazi concentration camps man.

Definitions matters.
 
mal3volent said:
humanitarian suffering in Palestine is a result of Hamas
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the israelis have no agency? that's pretty antisemitic to insinuate that. they can't stop themselves from doing war crimes? what a silly thing to think.

mal3volent said:
and the people who put them in power
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a VERY small minority of ppl living there now; and still not an excuse for war crimes.

mal3volent said:
which ethnicity is Israel cleansing?
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gazans. brown ppl. non- white- jews. take yer pic.

why do you lean into this meaningless semantics argument that you'd forfeit if you'd just look up ethnicity and read more than one definition?
 
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