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Israel is under attack

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If Israel wanted to, every citizen of Gaza could be dead by now. They have the military strength to do that. Why haven't they just done it? The progressive left across the world already think they are, why not just say fuck it and go ahead with it? What do they have to lose?

They still have much to lose; not everyone is against them globally as of yet; which also makes their position a lot better in international court against charges of genocide. And fascists also could lose support in their own country, because a lot of Israeli people are suspicious or hostile towards their own government and army. Not fucking up everything also costs way less bombs. There also possibly isn't enough reason to kill every single one, if political and other goals are achieved otherwise. Think about it; fascists like enemies. It distracts people from real issues. So why would you even want to kill everyone, then? Just keep the population barely alive for annual bloodbath or whatever people want. This argumentation of yours is really weak, as is calling ad hominem my hint to get your head out of your ass. It is a really long stretch.

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WHAT IS GENOCIDE?​

The 1948 Genocide Convention defines genocide as crimes committed "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such."

Three cases so far have met international courts' threshold: the Cambodian Khmer Rouge's slaughter of minority Cham people and Vietnamese in the 1970s, who were among an estimated 1.7 million dead; the 1994 mass killing of Tutsis in Rwanda that left 800,000 dead; and the 1995 Srebrenica massacre of some 8,000 Muslim men and boys in Bosnia.
Criminal acts comprising genocide include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, creating conditions calculated to destroy them, preventing births, or forcibly transferring children to other groups.


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Why genocide is hard to prove

With the rise of the term “genocide,” scholars began to use it for historic mass atrocities like the Gold Rush-era mass murders of Native Californians by Anglo settlers, China’s sterilisation of its Uyghur minority in 2020, and the Ottoman Empire’s slaughter of as many as 1.2 million Armenian Christians in 1915 and 1916.
Still, far fewer mass barbarities have been designated genocide under international law. While the law is clear about what constitutes a genocide, its critics argue that the legal standard for genocide is so specific that it is almost never applicable to mass killings or brutal acts perpetrated against a group.
According to the UN, “The intent is most difficult to determine....Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group.”



If it looks like a genocide, smells like a genocide and tastes like a genocide, it probably is genocide.
 
We get it, you are better than we by not participating in thread "Israel is under attack"...oh, wait a minute.

You know that this description doesn't really work and non-partisan voices have a legitimate place in any adult conversation. I'm not saying you all suck because you participate in the discussion. I'm saying you suck because you take sides in it. Different things.
 
While I agree that bulldozing cemeteries is repugnant, if this is your best evidence for genocide, you're really having to stretch for this.
You should know by now that it is not my sole evidence. As I mentioned just few pages back, I have repeatedly come up with statements of genocide happening, often including both my own argumentation AND referring to research or news article or Reddit post and even additional fact checks sometimes because reddit post is not very convincing alone.
 
You are taking a side of no-side

checkmate

Could you please understand that I am too stupid and hardheaded to waste time on? Go get some legos or something.

You really don't seem like a hardheaded person though. Your posts are light and diplomatic. You're one of few people who admit errors.

You are correct that legos are awesome.
 
I am kinda glad to hear that but I also don't really care about compliments if they are formed after process of estimating some other people stupid only because they have courage to take the risk of having mistaken taking the side they take.
 
I am kinda glad to hear that but I also don't really care about compliments if they are formed after process of estimating some other people stupid only because they have courage to take the risk of having mistaken taking the side they take.

What? The "courage of having mistaken" applies to every opinion ever.
 
You know that this description doesn't really work and non-partisan voices have a legitimate place in any adult conversation. I'm not saying you all suck because you participate in the discussion. I'm saying you suck because you take sides in it. Different things.
you might or might not be right, it depends of perspective, Imma gonna sleep over it
 
You should know by now that it is not my sole evidence. As I mentioned just few pages back, I have repeatedly come up with statements of genocide happening, often including both my own argumentation AND referring to research or news article or Reddit post and even additional fact checks sometimes because reddit post is not very convincing alone.
True. You just seem to be referring to it regularly like it's a checkmate and it just isn't.

You've referred to legal documents about withholding resources, but it'd not actually what is happening.

1. The population are not starving. The word famine has been used since the start of the conflict and it hasn't eventuated yet.
2. Israel themselves are providing food to Gaza. Tbc that is more food than Hamas are providing its own citizens.
3. Gaza has desalination plants which provide most of its water.
4. It is perfectly reasonable for a nation to stop providing a resource to a nation it is at war with. That is not a war crime.

The thing that none of you guys have been able to respond to is how a population being genocided has increased in size at 3 times the global average. I hate to sound callous, but 25000 people killed out of 2.3million is simply not genocide. That is called war.

A few pf you have implied or juat flat out said that I'm a inhumane monster who doesnt care about Palestinians. This is just bullshit. I feel terrible when I see the kids being pulled from the rubble. They did nothing to deserve that. It seems so wrong, it is so wrong. No child should experience that.

But it is happening because Hamas hide among civilians and use these frightened, hurt and dead children as propaganda to incite emotions in people like you, all while not actually caring the way you do. Their tactic is working- rational left wing progressive people are on their side. The side of jihadist violence that shares none of your values, literally loathes you and has attacked and murdered you across the entire world and could never take your side in any conflict ever.

Hamas hold to an ideology that does not see children as sacred and to be protected. Rather, they hold to an ideology that says children being killed are martyrs that go straight to paradise. This ideology absolutely needs to be met with only violence and destruction because you cannot reason with people who do not hold life and innocence to be sacred. Who actively seek death.

Hamas have literally said that they intend to repeat October 7th at every chance they get. Israel cannot be expected to live with that threat any longer. To expect this is inhumane. And so they have chosen to eradicate the threat, whether it hides behind women and children or not. Heartbreaking, brutal, but absolutely to be laid at the feet of the religious maniacs who tyrannise Palestinian society.
 
Interesting. Would I do direct translation into my own language, it absolutely wouldn't carry the connotation of "using of many words where fewer would do", now I am very intrigued about how language is very limited in that manner that I'd imagine I'd understand how the language works, but still I do not.
 
Interesting. Would I do direct translation into my own language, it absolutely wouldn't carry the connotation of "using of many words where fewer would do", now I am very intrigued about how language is very limited in that manner that I'd imagine I'd understand how the language works, but still I do not.
The Latin root "circum" means around, "locution" means the expression of something; therefore it means to talk around a subject without actually talking about it.
 
palestinians.

you keep laying into this non-point, i'm not sure what you think you're saying...
Just leave it man, there's no point.
These people, you'll never get them to understand.
If someone thinks the killing is justified because destroying Hamas is the purpose, then they'll never change their mind, it will not happen.
Maybe it's the same the other way around, but the numbers are the numbers and there's plenty of proof that a large part of the Israeli government are total nutjobs who won't stop. And the key difference with Hamas is that they can execute, Hamas has no shot.

We're on the right side of history, I guess that's all that matters right ;)
 
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