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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

O most of Western news is propaganda.
That's why it's good to speak multiple languages, so you can watch news from different countries.

it really helps to get a greater understanding of what's going on.
No country will say everything, but some speak about one thing, and others about something else that's relevant.

For example, Germany doesn't investigate the pipeline explosions, but France is asking what's going on.
France is getting VERY suspicious of the USA - and I hope Macron has some luck uniting Europe to stand as a neutral force between NATO and BRICS - otherwise Europe is thoroughly fucked

The USA will neither tell you that it has been funneling BILLIONS of dollars into Ukraine LONG BEFORE the war.
The USA will also not tell you that it made a coup in the Ukraine, and that your then foreign minister Victoria Nuland decided who will rule Ukraine in 2014. Or that she said "Fuck the EU" in the same leaked telephone conversation(to which she already admitted)
The USA will also not tell you, that it's IMPOSSIBLE to blow up the Nord Stream pipelines like they tell it. That someone dove down there? Pressure? Hello? It had to have been done by some sort of robot/drone. And who has the money for that(and also is the only country that profited from this)? First they blamed Russia, then Russia said "we had the finger on the button, we could have stopped the oil trade whenever we wanted, and we actually did - twice", so then they blamed Ukraine. Ukraine didn't even have the money to tap their OWN oil springs.
The USA will also not tell you that they PROMISED gorby that they would not spread "ONE INCH further towards Russia" (after HE allowed Germany to reunite) - Russia is the only reason that Germany and in fact Europe is whole again, and still my country stabs them in the back.

Neither will Germany even investigate the pipeline explosions. Because OFC you don't investigate an act of terror IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR. Makes a lot of sense, Scholzi.
Why would you even investigate? Lol. No, Biden made the threat "we have our ways to stop this (oil trade between Germany and Russia)", and guess what happened. So we know who did it, we just pretend that we don't and that we don't care.

All this can be looked up. It's proven time and time again, there's more than enough documents to prove it.
Our news are not saying it's not true, they're just not reporting it.

No, we all pretend Russia is just EVIL, and nobody could have seen it coming(OK most Historians have been predicting this since 2013, some historians even since Poland joined NATO, but whatever - Historians kept saying "stop pushing Russia, or there WILL be war in Ukraine", not may not might, WILL). That's the only narrative we're allowed to have. Evil evil Russia, they just want World Domination.

In the meantime, the real villain still pretends they are the "source of freedom, order and democracy" in the world, because after 80 years of wars nobody has realized that they practically have Satan as a government. Lies to its own people that there's NO freedom or democracy ANYWHERE in the world other than America so that they never leave the States. And of the FEW people that DO leave the States to live in another country for more than a few days, most want to stay - or at least never go back to the US. And bringer of democracy? eat my entire ass. Great work bringing democracy to the Middle East. I can smell the democracy from here. Great work bringing democracy to Korea. Great job in Yugoslavia. Great job of getting rid of the dictatorship in Vietnam. Jesus they are just the pinnacle of doing things right.

And so utterly brainwashed. I've seldom seen people of ANY MODERN nation that were SO BRAINWASHED. Like they took a page right out of Göbbels Wochenschau. This is what the USA really learned from all the high-ranking Nazis they pardoned through paperclip: how to brainfuck your people till there is nothing left - the nazis excelled at that - their own fault letting them into their country instead of killing them like you should have. I've had dozens of Americans tell me "but you don't have freedom in Europe" ... and I'm like "are you allowed to drink in public? No? then you have fewer freedoms than i do." - we can have guns, we can own property, we have freedom of expression, we have mandatory health care, we can even DIRECTLY vote so "third parties" aren't automatically doomed - lol we have 2 of them in government right now. We have a fucking party that wants to build a death star, we can vote for ANYTHING we want(and yes, before you ask: i have voted for the death star party).
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US citizens can NEVER get rid of Democrats vs Republicans, unless they topple their government - which is about as close to a dictatorship as you can get, without officially being a dictatorship. US health care is a fucking joke - people having to pay up to $5000 for an ambulance, that's 0€ in most countries here. They can't even go to university for free :D what kind of "rich" country are they, srsly? And what freedoms do we not have in Europe? Nobody can ever answer me that. I've heard stuff like "freedom of speech" "freedom to have guns", yada yada yada, we have all that stuff. Yeah, it's regulated, as it should be. No, someone with diagnosed mental disorders should NOT be able to get AT LEAST A HANDGUN. US populus making too much use of their freedom to get brainfucked by media it seems to me. Gods and media is the worst there: it's either very right-wing or very left-wing, there is no middle ground essentially. While, sure we have big news stations in Germany that are practically full-on US propaganda TV, we have many that are just neutral and try to report all aspects of every situation. And even the big stations at least have the decency to pretend they're not controlled by the government and don't feed you extremist garbage to make you hate the other side more. No idea how many Americans i've seen that are Republican and won't talk to Democrats, or vice versa. Too many. I have no fucking idea what any of my friends or family vote for. It's private.

As Gustave Le Bon wrote in his book psychology of the masses (the Nazis used this book BIG TIME) - if you want to control the masses, give them something to hate - and if you manage to make them hate each other, you control them forever. And boy are they loyal to their country.
You've written so much but I know your telling the truth about the USA and the propaganda of the media and the lies about the Ukraine. I also know people who left the U.S. and love it, would never return even for a trip. Unfortunately most people in the states blindly believe the lies
of the media and care nothing of the truth. They think their vote counts and the 2 party system works for the people. They are deceived and keep their heads in the sand. Presidents are selected NOT elected in the USA. Also the Devil controls the USA and the world for now but in 2015 the satanist challenged the ten commandments in court to erect this devil statue and change the law. They also have a after school Satan club going from state to state. This was to get kids to shop going to the Good news club and go to the dark side. The devil worshipers won that round too. Here is some proof:
I'm native born in the USA and not proud of it. I've seen the change from bad to worse to downright evil. Since the 911 false flag in 2001 to justify war and rob and kill people in Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of "freedom" based on a lie and even when there were no WMD's in Iraq Bush kept going. A 20 year war for what? To take oil, opium, gold ext. Also to test out new weapons on populations such as directed energy weapons. Or poppers they call them in England I think. This real WMD coined "5G" is all over the USA in our neighborhoods and children's schools. It's part of the "silent weapons for quiet wars program". The infrastructure for 5G is guarded by UAV. These devices have censors in them so if one gets hit by a projectile of sort a drone will fly overhead to see what is going on. Also they have gunshot detectors linked to these towers and small cells, hardened bulletproof casing which 22's bounce off. The cameras are all over the 5G grid and at every street light. They put all this up during the cv-19 hoax lock-down. I was driving all over for that year and the telecoms and cops were out guarding them as they put up this control n killgrid. So yes the USA is controlled by the devil no doubt with his workers in human form destroying anything good, changing laws for evil, open borders to flood the states with all sorts to give them jobs in positions of authority like bank managers and cops. This is what they did in Australia boating in the Sudanese gangs in the 90's. They did a false flag shooting and had a gun buyback program than took the guns. Now the store owners couldn't protect themselves from these gangs. They would get robbed by the gang and when they would call the cops it would be a Sudanese officer showing up 3 hours later. This is from a man I spoke to that lives down under. So here in the USA I believe they will use the same tactics on the citizens. This can be varified.
And Russia doesn't have 5G in their Country. They care about their people not like here in the states. Our protest and poticians don't do a damn thing. Going to town meetings gets people kicked out or arrested for mentioning 5G tech. Than enter Obama aka "Barry Satoro" who did the most damage to this Country I've ever seen. Even Trump is a Globalist and furthered the clot shot fast track and the 5G but not for his neighborhood:
https://eu.palmbeachdailynews.com/s...beach-exempt-from-5g-wireless-law/6082710007/
If this tech is so good why won't the billionares have it in their neighborhoods? I try to tell people this and they don't want to hear it , think about it or do anything except get drunk or stoned. They legalized weed to make people passive and to take their right to own a firearm away if they get their weed licence. Soros funded.
 
Well, while I respect your point of view, I don't really think that such thing as the actual devil is involved. US elite and govemt just happen to be human motherfuckers, like Putin, Xi and the rest of them.
US and Russia have indeed fucked people around the world and still do, UK and France did it before and Spain even earlier. And none of them were the first fucking around.
The powerful allways fuck the weak. Why? Cause they can
 
Serbia is not an EU member state... Croatia only recently became full fledged EU member, Hungary is part of Schengen but economically still sovereign.

I think like @Señor Moreno says, there is lot of history here that West does not teach, leading to this impression that anyone that isn't aligned with Western dogma is bad evil people.

The problem, for the West, is that Russia must have a place at the table. For as long as the US tail wags the EU dog, EU will have difficulty maintaining a relationship with Russia. Eastern Europe, however, is already jaded after having been fed to Stalin by Western powers, and will cynically side with Russia if interests align.

I don't know where Austria enters into this. Austria is Europe's autistic child, an inscrutable mind of reason. Very strange folk, IMHO. Some people say Chinese are from space, I laugh. No no no, you have not seen space folk until you've met the Austrians.
Really, they still didn't get further than Schengen? Wasn't that in 2003?

Absolutely agree about that: the West teaches very much that they are bad people - and essentially nothing else.
But us Germans we used to have a lot of respect for the Russians, they let us reunite.

Our role in this war, it's like we're stabbing them in the back...FOR THE THIRD TIME.
And all because the master says so. Angela Merkel spent her entire time as chancellor strengthening Western relations to Russia, now it's being teared down.

Even Trump - say about the guy what you will, but this guy is his own master, he did everything to heal relations to Russia, and even North Korea. How incredible is that?
I wouldn't even want to face an American swine if I was North Korean. Jesus fuck did they do North Korea wrong.

Can you not bash Autists though? Living with the condition my entire life. We are not dumb, or assholes, we're just weird.
And the people of Austria really aren't that weird. The government is something else though, yeah...

Nah, not really in my opinion. The US were hesitant at the begining. After all, Yugoslavia was not an enemy, they weren't Moscow puppets like the other communist countries, it never was a member of Warsaw Pact and Yugoslavian leaders were allways praised, specially Tito, of course, but even after him everybody respected Yugoslavia, I remember the Sarajevo Winter Games of middle 80's and all the western (and eastern, as post Stalin world also had good vibes to Yugslv) media were about how great the nation was, how well the different ethnics were with each other and all. It was only partially true, but nobody wanted to kill their neighbours.

After the Wall felt, it all changed. Suddenly, all the german media went nuts. You got Bild's front pages like: "Yugoslavia, the prison of peoples" (God, how well do I remember it). They never stopped giving coverage to the political offensive and the dirty BND moves. They wanted Slovenia, they wanted Croatia and there, in Slovenia was where the war started and Croatia was next. Germany and Austria had enough with that, but once it all started they couldn't avoid the same happening in Bosnia. In Bosnia was where Islam came at play and it all went global cause, like in Afghanistan, rich arabic kingdoms started pumping $ and sending muyaheedeen from everywhere to fight for the creation of a muslim state. In Europe, almost bordering another one like Albania and it all so close to Turkey, you see.
There was when the US got more interested. Also, the Clintons and Madeleine Allbright were far more motherfuckers than Bush Senior. So they said " Ok, we didn't start it this time but let's join it". And they just join the antiserbian side, leading it to the victory so they could dictate the post war conditions: they fucked the losers and took Kosovo to make Camp Boot, a massive base, and Montenegro to prevent Serbia from having sea acces. And with the winners, bosnian muslims? They ripped them off, fooling them into an orthopedic Bosnia,muslim&Herzegovina,croatian& Sperska Republic, serbian, as an unitariy state. A true Frankenstein entity, but they avoided the creation of a muslim state for their muslim "allies" and just let them down

Mind you that all 90's scenario happened with an useless alcoholic in the Kremlim, today the outcomes from such adventures could be worse than those that we are seeing in Ukraine.

So, no, for once, it wasn't the US who started all that.
Sorry for the lenght of the post, @December Flower, but I can't use English any better, any more precisely
But with the wall fell the iron curtain, so it was the first time there was room to influence Eastern Europe. And who do you think wanted to destabilize Eastern Europe? That's all it was about.
Yeah Yugoslavia was independent, but they were on sorta good terms with the USSR, they were once part of the USSR, and it was Socialist - which is by American standards the definition of evil.
We as Germany are not even allowed to declare wars, and neither can we send the BND anywhere we want, so it all had to be either allowed or ordered by the US. Jesus fuck we're German - we're the people that today are the most sick of war. We learn as little kids what we did.
And we're literally occupied, not even a constitution. In the 90s there were still hundreds of thousands of American soldiers on German soil.
To this day there are still almost 100,000 American soldiers on German soil. We have American radio stations, huge military bases, and enough nuclear power deployed to destroy our entire country should we do something they don't want.

You're a Serbian national I think, but live in Spain, if I understood that correctly? So I understand there's a lot of pain,
but Germany really doesn't have that kind of power. I live here, and I tell you, we copy paste everything the master says.
And if we don't, we get punished. Look at Nord Stream. Billion Euro project that we paid for down the fucking toilet

The OAF was a NATO operation, and 83% of bombings in Yugoslavia were done by the US Air Force.
The US was VERY invested. And I don't care who started it officially.

Officially the West didn't fuck Russia over either. Officially the US didn't influence Jeltzin to break down the USSR to become more powerful than gorby
Officially we apparently didn't promise Russia that we won't move one more inch to the East, because we promised it to the USSR, and so the promise can be broken.
It's all just narrative, man.

I might absolutely agree about Austria technically being in cohoots with NATO, actually I'm very sure they are. I just wanted to convey they are their own masters, and they can make these decisions.
 
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You're a Serbian national I think, but live in Spain, if I understood that correctly?

No, mate, I am Spanish but I just happen to miss Yugoslavia. And Serbia, only in a way, is what remains of it.

Dude we're literally occupied. In the 90s there were still hundreds of thousands of American soldiers on German soil.

That's a big truth, @December Flower, sure it is

but Germany really doesn't have that kind of power.
Well, of course Germany is not the US, but in Europe, economically wise it is indeed powerful. When the Bundesbank wants a policy to be taken, it's taken all over the EU, just remember years ago what happened with the Greek affair, Merkel made they dance the music that she played, no questions allowed
 
No, mate, I am Spanish but I just happen to miss Yugoslavia. And Serbia, only in a way, is what remains of it.



That's a big truth, @December Flower, sure it is


Well, of course Germany is not the US, but in Europe, economically wise it is indeed powerful. When the Bundesbank wants a policy to be taken, it's taken all over the EU, just remember years ago what happened with the Greek affair, Merkel made they dance the music that she played, no questions allowed
If you doubt me, ask yourself why nations inside Germany like Bavaria are disallowed to split from the country.
And we tried. We really did.

I agree that money is indeed powerful, and that we have a lot of it. 4th best GDP in the entire world, barely the size of Texas. And you could leave out East Germany and we'd probably still be 4th. We are definitely doing something right. We're very good workers.
And we have some powerful fucking companies, not gonna lie.
But you are kidding yourself if you think this country hasn't become the long arm of the US. We're the base of operations in Europe.
Why do you think the United States European Command is stationed in Stuttgart, Germany?
I mean how does a country with most cities 80-90% destroyed by the bombings, almost all men dead except for those that were too young to fight(under 10) or too old, become one of the richest countries in the world in just 80 years?
Again, I mean it's your head, so you can blame Germany all you want - I just want to give you logical reasons to underline that no, this country's government & even countless lobbys and companies do not have free will in the traditional sense.

The whole situation is, how do you people say: "la puta mierda". I wish we had power. We would buy back the land we lost - the land we owned for 700 years and longer. At least so Germany has the form of a wolf again, it used to be our national animal.
Now it's a stupid fucking bird just like the US. Not just the national animal, even the fucking form of our country. disgusting "freedom" bird.

edit: I should not be so mean to the bird. The Romans used it too, i know, and it always was an important animal for us too, we used it for many symbols, and even coat of arms, often with a wolf's head
 
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Oh, no, no!.. sorry, I made a mistake and quoted your words badly or something, I am tired and had a sleeping pill, so I am not very sharpy atm

I said that what is indeed a very big truth is that you are a totally occupied countrie and that you have those massive number of US troops, bases and what not. I was responding to that by saying that is was true.
 
And of course do I believe you to the last word you say; I may agree with you in some things and may disagree in others, but I have absolutely no reason to distrust your word
 
Oh, no, no!.. sorry, I made a mistake and quoted your words badly or something, I am tired and had a sleeping pill, so I am not very sharpy atm

I said that what is indeed a very big truth is that you are a totally occupied countrie and that you have those massive number of US troops, bases and what not. I was responding to that by saying that is was true.
that was probably my mistake then. I'm terrible at reading tone in written word.
I never have much of an idea if i'm discussing or arguing with someone.
 
Yes, it's probably true that Switherland is not what it used to be.
You have to forgive me for not being actualized, I am starting to realize that, perhaps, maybe it could be cause I have no money to move and hide, haha
 
C'mon, why would they send a down syndrome guy to the front lines? That doesn't seem like a great sign for the Ukrainian military



The owner of that account lives in Switzerland by the way, in case anybody wondered if it's a russian in Russia
 
Absolute fucking shitshow over there right now.

As I said from the very beginning, Ukraine never had a chance. Even with all their US/NATO funding and mercenary assistance.
The West has run out of artillery. Russia has a massive arsenal and just purchased more from NK.
Ukraine is running out of men. The average age of a solider is 43 and they're now trying to conscript mothers. They're insane.

The Western media is lying through their teeth.
It's estimated that 400,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed.
Russia's total much less.
 
C'mon, why would they send a down syndrome guy to the front lines? That doesn't seem like a great sign for the Ukrainian military



The owner of that account lives in Switzerland by the way, in case anybody wondered if it's a russian in Russia


Following categories of men are now eligible for military service:
blindness in one eye
paralysis of the hand, stump of the upper limb, absence of fingers
thigh or lower leg stump; shortening of the leg by 7 centimeters or more
castration in men
an inoperable defect of the jaw, when a person cannot chew normally and loses weight

This is NOT A joke and is confirmed by Ukrainian MSM

People who evade draft are subject to:
A ban on traveling abroad
Prohibitions on property transactions
Restrictions on driving privileges and obtaining a driver's license
Limited rights to use and dispose of funds and valuables
Ineligibility for credit or loan agreements
Suspension of state benefits and services

This on top of fines and jail sentences
 
Absolute fucking shitshow over there right now.

As I said from the very beginning, Ukraine never had a chance. Even with all their US/NATO funding and mercenary assistance.
The West has run out of artillery. Russia has a massive arsenal and just purchased more from NK.
Ukraine is running out of men. The average age of a solider is 43 and they're now trying to conscript mothers. They're insane.

The Western media is lying through their teeth.
It's estimated that 400,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed.
Russia's total much less.
Not much less, they did lose more than 300,000 soldiers, as much is pretty confirmed.
The problem for Ukraine is, that Russia is fighting with about 2.4 million soldiers. and another 2.5 million on the way.
Ukraine dropping below 200,000
 
Not much less, they did lose more than 300,000 soldiers, as much is pretty confirmed.
The problem for Ukraine is, that Russia is fighting with about 2.4 million soldiers. and another 2.5 million on the way.
Ukraine dropping below 200,000
The problem is that those people should not have died. They were ready to sign a peace deal but Biden/Deep State said no - you kill an entire generation of your men in a feeble attempt to prevent Russia from becoming a competitor.

This war is completely unnecessary and if western audiences knew the reality of what is happening there they would never have supported it and stuck the flag onto their profiles.
 
The problem is that those people should not have died. They were ready to sign a peace deal but Biden/Deep State said no - you kill an entire generation of your men in a feeble attempt to prevent Russia from becoming a competitor.

This war is completely unnecessary and if western audiences knew the reality of what is happening there they would never have supported it and stuck the flag onto their profiles.
it's not even by far the worst thing the US did

 
Really, they still didn't get further than Schengen? Wasn't that in 2003?

You mean Hungary? I think that technically EU member states are required to join Eurozone if they qualify economically, but then the debt crisis happened with Greece and now maybe states that haven't adopted the Euro yet don't even want to.

Absolutely agree about that: the West teaches very much that they are bad people - and essentially nothing else.
But us Germans we used to have a lot of respect for the Russians, they let us reunite.

Our role in this war, it's like we're stabbing them in the back...FOR THE THIRD TIME.
And all because the master says so. Angela Merkel spent her entire time as chancellor strengthening Western relations to Russia, now it's being teared down.

Interestingly, Putin has accused Merkel of leading him on, that ultimately she had other loyalties and was never committed to the good faith between the countries.

Can you not bash Autists though? Living with the condition my entire life. We are not dumb, or assholes, we're just weird.
And the people of Austria really aren't that weird. The government is something else though, yeah...

sorry I didn't know you were autistic, no offense was meant (to the Austrians either)

but yeah they have always struck me as having social norms inconsistent with neighbours in the region. culture is often helpful in understanding political motives.
 
Well, while I respect your point of view, I don't really think that such thing as the actual devil is involved. US elite and govemt just happen to be human motherfuckers, like Putin, Xi and the rest of them.
US and Russia have indeed fucked people around the world and still do, UK and France did it before and Spain even earlier. And none of them were the first fucking around.
The powe rful allways fuck the weak. Why? Cause they can
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist". But there is the human power structure no doubt. From the secret societies to the politicians to the WEF,U.N. ,CFR and others that get their orders from someone higher up on the "pyramid". We have the damn thing on our 1 dollar bill in plain sight! Also the permanent members of the U.N. security council is the U.S. U.K. Russia, France & China. The Rockefeller's started the U.N.
This family can be traced back to the 1700's from West Germany.
The Rothschilds also came from Germany traced back to the late 1500's and claim to be Jews but are not. These families use the cover of Jewry to protect themselves in my opinion. They are nobles of the Roman empire and "money changers" which dates back to Biblical times. Here is some info on my comment about this family:
One of these Rothschild's said "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" which can be varified. Their real name is Bauer.
So this name dates back to 15 B.C. home to a Celtic people. So from Jew to German to Celtic! This family, as most Globalist/Zionist inbreed to keep the money in the family & plans stay the same, from centery to centery & generation to generation. The "money changers" were predecisors to the banking system we have today. They use "usury" or lending with a very high interest rate. This is against the law of the Holy Bible. No wonder the Son of God (Jesus Christ) turned the tables over, that the money changers were using in the temple and He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ ”
Now fastforward to today with the Rothschild banking system that most Countries use. Look at the debt of the USA. There is no way to pay anthing back and get to a point where we don't owe. This type of system is meant to keep Countries in debt. The Rothschilds or Bauers fund both sides of wars and charge both Countries an interest rate that they know can never be paid off. This is how they are above the law by controlling the wealth of Nations. They fund inforstructure projects such as 5G.
PG&E is for the West coast and Fonteir for the East coast among others. So we are in the 4th industrial revelution "silent weapons for quiet wars program" and the same families are attacking the citizens of the USA and other Countires via directed energy weapons and pulsed frequency radiation. 5G is that and a control n killgrid. Here are over 4000 government documents dating back to the 1900's.
https://zoryglaser.com/
On a local level there are the puppets who go along with agenda 21 plans. They can be found by name on https://iclei.org/iclei-members/
So from the top to the bottom you have this depopulation agenda and controlling the masses by names. I hope this helps.
 
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