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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

How many Russians are relegated to living in tents by the overpass? There are multiple such encampments in my city and, from my understanding, in many other cities across the West.

We have hundreds of thousands of excess deaths occurring annually now, that is being completely ignored by newsmedia and leadership, in favor of focusing on how to control Russia, which seems to have been backfiring.

At this rate, it isn't going to matter much what Russia does if our own society collapses while trying to overthrow Putin.
Not across the West, but across the North American continent for sure.

We don't have stuff like that in the EU; like Portland, LA, Seattle, New York or Vancouver: huge druggy homeless camps
Sure we got homeless, but they CAN get shelter any time they want(at least here in Germany), and they're staying on the streets by choice
If you can pay 50€ a month, you can have social housing too, and thanks to guaranteed minimum pension they can afford that (homeless get like 400€ a month from the state[12€ per day])
So most homeless actually have a home to go to, we just count them as homeless cuz social housing. This ofc has the effect that you don't see near as many homeless as say in a US city, or some people you just would never know are homeless. Also they help keeping the cities clean - thanks to our refund system for plastic and glass bottles & for cans, most homeless collect bottles as an extra income, which is another 10-15€ per day, some make even more.

When we decriminalize drugs in Europe we do it with huge HR programs, not just legalize/ignore it and throw it to the dogs
With medical facilities that help addicts for free, especially with programs in place that help people STOP, not help people get going.

Leave it to the Americas to take a brilliant concept and turn it to absolute and utter shit.

Honestly, these cities in the US and Canada: they're third world. and the worst part is the police doesn't do anything.
There's no real option to HR, just a lot of options to get more drugs, everyone just a zombie. Really scary to look at. I have never seen something like this anywhere in the world

No we have NOTHING like that in Europe, you can keep it.

I have NEVER in my life seen as many homeless people as the times i visited the US.
And each time I visit again it seems i have once again surpressed HOW MANY FUCKING homeless you see

before i knew about Vancouver I had a lot of respect for Canada too. Copy pasting Portugal means copy pasting the SERIOUS HR Portugal has implemented,
not just decriminalizing drugs.

I do not understand how your governments can just watch these people die like "eh..we have more"
 
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There are a lot of places in Europe that are fourth world shitholes but they aren't as known as US ones just cause media are obssesed with the US. A lot of europeans are aware of the better part of US states, yet they can't name 7 cities from their neighbouring country or the next one. Think how many russian or portuguese cities can you name and compare it to the dozens and dozens of US places that we all know from films or whatever.
You can google places like Ferentari in Romania, the 3000 houses or Cañada Real in Spain, Scampía or Secondigliano in Naples.... and don't forget belgian and french jihadi strongholds like Molenbeek or Roubaix.
Also, it all being Europe, it's not the same Austria than Albania, Germany than Macedonia, Southern Italy or Spain than Norway, Denmark than Moldova....
 
They are trying to make a "Maidan" happen in Serbia, the only remaining sovereign nation in Europe. Their president Vucic has been praised many times as a moderate and trustworthy leader by the West, he was in negociations to associate with EU without being a member; Serbian army has made maneovres with NATO (wich savagely bombed them only 2 decades ago) and with Russia without marry any of them. A true sovereign nation, just like Yugoslavia was: no Washington and no Moscow ruling them.
But their fair play was not enough: they are historically related to Russia and didn't join the West against it; they refuse to accept the indepence of Kosovo, stolen from them to host a massive US camp, and now the West sees the chance to put a puppet govmt in charge, West have decided that Serbia needs, again, to be punished. Why? Cause a legit sovereignty and an active neutrality are horrible crimes that must be prosecuted. They even dare to write and to pray like russians, go figure! That's only allowed to Bulgary as far as it obeys its Master.
N Atlantic Terrorist Org allways at work
 
They are trying to make a "Maidan" happen in Serbia, the only remaining sovereign nation in Europe. Their president Vucic has been praised many times as a moderate and trustworthy leader by the West, he was in negociations to associate with EU without being a member; Serbian army has made maneovres with NATO (wich savagely bombed them only 2 decades ago) and with Russia without marry any of them. A true sovereign nation, just like Yugoslavia was: no Washington and no Moscow ruling them.
But their fair play was not enough: they are historically related to Russia and didn't join the West against it; they refuse to accept the indepence of Kosovo, stolen from them to host a massive US camp, and now the West sees the chance to put a puppet govmt in charge, West have decided that Serbia needs, again, to be punished. Why? Cause a legit sovereignty and an active neutrality are horrible crimes that must be prosecuted. They even dare to write and to pray like russians, go figure! That's only allowed to Bulgary as far as it obeys its Master.
N Atlantic Terrorist Org allways at work
a) Switzerland & Austria - those are actually neutral and have actual power. Serbia is nice, but what's it gonna do? No money
What was done to Serbia/Yugoslavia is absolutely unforgiveable, and I understand that the country does not want to be PART of nato.
However, Serbia is part of the IPAP, so you can't say it's sovereign from NATO, that's bullcrap. And Serbia is also part of the EU, so no: it's not sovereign one tiny bit. It has very powerful allies that it cannot displease or the 90s was just the warm-up, let's say it like that.

b) Europe is moving away from the US, you seem to think it's all US dominion after WW2, or some shit.
As Macron already said: Europe has to be a camp between West and East if we are to survive this,
we have to try to find a middle ground, and I think a large part of the EU are trying.

Because I think everybody knows that if we trust Russia and the US to solve this peacefully,
we will all be glowing with radiation. Those mofos never knew a solution to anything besides "bomb it to the ground"
We need to stand inbetween and try to intermediate
 
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Russia knows the USA is weaker now so from a military standpoint this is a good time to invade the old USSR blocks without much push back. But in my opinion there's a phys-op going on. Did anyone see the videos which the news said was Russian firefights on civilians when it was really a firework show from Kentucky USA edited? Or the fighter jets flying low in formation over Ukraine when it was an airshow from years ago? Who knows whats real and whats for propaganda to stack on more protocols of the elders of Zion for global domination. Check out this book from the early 1900's:
https://www.christianobserver.net/documents/protocols.pdf
These are 2 sites which have the book on this global depopulation and much more. The Jewry says it's a forgery but most of the protocols in the book have already been accomplished showing there is some truth to it...
 
right

an attacking military vs a defending homeland country doesn't have the nationalist attitude as invading countries did 100 years ago - that's long gone

so the defending country has the advantage in this day and age
Lets not forget the fog of war to distract people on the real goals. I know from the Holy Bible that the end times shown in Matt. 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 and Revelation , certain things must happen first. The mark of the beast and the final antichrist must come on the scene. In my opinion this beast system is almost ready using technology. The devil wants to be like God so he uses tech. to try to achieve this. The 5G control n killgrid, smartcities and lets not forget the patent #666 quantum dot tattoo from Bill Gates:
Also I just found this too:
The trans-humanism agenda is to try to make the devils version of God's creation. Before you dismiss this as a conspiracy theory, think outside the box and imagine how the "synagogue of Satan" gets their technology and from who and why they would use it? This is a book that the Zionist used since the 1900's on the world:
https://archive.org/details/TheProtocolsOfTheLearnedEldersOfZion_201510
The Holy Bible KJV says that the devil has came to steal, kill & destroy. He needs people to do some of the work in physical form. These are the Globalist/Zionist or the 1%ers as their called. Look at each controlling family and what they do to the people of the earth and the land, air and sea itself. Is it good? I think not. Gates is a depopulation expert like his father. The Rothschild's are a banking cartel and fund both sides of wars, give money to governments with crazy interest to control nations. They and the Rockefeller's funded the 5G infrastructure. Israel designed 5G for the world but not them. Than they had China mass produce it for the world. I won't go deeper down the rabbit hole. There's more than enough for you to lookup. Trust but verify as the Russians say.
I'll leave you with this hope. The Son of God, the man Jesus Christ who let himself be crucified for the sins of the world and rose on the third day to give us the change at Salvation and eternal life in Heaven warned us first of the times were in, as I write this reply. He gave us heads up to these end times. He gives eternal life to all who come to Him, repent and be baptized in His name. Acts 2:38-40. These are great and troubling times but if God is for you who can stand against you...
 
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The trans-humanism agenda is to try to make the devils version of God's creation. Before you dismiss this as a conspiracy theory, think outside the box and imagine how the "synagogue of Satan" gets their technology and from who and why they would use it?
Transhumanism was the brainchild of Julian Huxley (brother of Aldous Huxley) who was best chums with Teilhard de Chardin (Jesuit Priest).

I really don't understand the fixation on Jews when the historical evidence, the real historical evidence and not some propaganda leaflet, clearly shows the actual paper trail and who is really pushing all this garbage. The synagogue of Satan is Christianity, specifically the Catholic Church. Jesus and Christianity are incompatible.

Jews are the scapegoat and the easy target. It's blatantly obvious.
 
Transhumanism was the brainchild of Julian Huxley (brother of Aldous Huxley) who was best chums with Teilhard de Chardin (Jesuit Priest).

I really don't understand the fixation on Jews when the historical evidence, the real historical evidence and not some propaganda leaflet, clearly shows the actual paper trail and who is really pushing all this garbage. The synagogue of Satan is Christianity, specifically the Catholic Church. Jesus and Christianity are incompatible.

Jews are the scapegoat and the easy target. It's blatantly obvious.
It's not all Jews just the Zionist. I should've clarified that. I apologize. The Roman catholic church is part of the Synagogue of Satan with all the secret societies like the Jesuit order, Freemasons, Skull n bones, Bilderberg group and the Zionist among others in the shadows. Concerning the Protocols of Zion , whoever made this book, many of the protocols have came to pass. So there is some validity to this book.
Now on the statement of Christianity being the Synagogue of Satan I agree that all denominations are not of Christ. To denominate is to take on a lesser name. These churches are all reading from the same Bible/different version, but don't agree on sound doctrine. There is discord and division in all these churches when the KJV Holy Bible clearly states what is written, and in no need of interpretation. The true disciples of Christ are scattered among the nations for now. We don't step foot in churches but attend small gatherings like in the book of Acts. In today's language we are enemies of the state for following the unvarnished truth of the Gospel of Christ. I left the churches due to what was being preached was against what the Word of God said. Also the 501-C3 gov't tax status which limits what they can speak about or they loose their exemption. I hope this clarifies where I stand.
 
It's not all Jews just the Zionist.
You do understand that Zionism is less than two centuries old, right? The Jesuits are five centuries old, and they were travelling the world and shaping the political order (globally) when literacy rates in the public was only about 20%. It is so obvious who has the upper hand in all this. It's all just a continuation of Rome at the end of the day, I mean half our bloody architecture and symbolism is openly Roman. It's not Jewish.

If you understand Jesus then you should understand 'Know them by their fruits' and what it means. One little book is not evidence of anything. Protocols, the Rosicrucian manuscripts, whatever. Especially when the author is mysteriously "unknown".

Who sits on a throne of gold, surrounded by gold, in a private sovereign city state? Which institution has a known history of power expansion and tyranny across the globe going back centuries? Know them by their fruits.
 
Russia knows the USA is weaker now so from a military standpoint this is a good time to invade the old USSR blocks without much push back. But in my opinion there's a phys-op going on. Did anyone see the videos which the news said was Russian firefights on civilians when it was really a firework show from Kentucky USA edited? Or the fighter jets flying low in formation over Ukraine when it was an airshow from years ago? Who knows whats real and whats for propaganda to stack on more protocols of the elders of Zion for global domination. Check out this book from the early 1900's:
https://www.christianobserver.net/documents/protocols.pdf
These are 2 sites which have the book on this global depopulation and much more. The Jewry says it's a forgery but most of the protocols in the book have already been accomplished showing there is some truth to it...
O most of Western news is propaganda.
That's why it's good to speak multiple languages, so you can watch news from different countries.

it really helps to get a greater understanding of what's going on.
No country will say everything, but some speak about one thing, and others about something else that's relevant.

For example, Germany doesn't investigate the pipeline explosions, but France is asking what's going on.
France is getting VERY suspicious of the USA - and I hope Macron has some luck uniting Europe to stand as a neutral force between NATO and BRICS - otherwise Europe is thoroughly fucked

The USA will neither tell you that it has been funneling BILLIONS of dollars into Ukraine LONG BEFORE the war.
The USA will also not tell you that it made a coup in the Ukraine, and that your then foreign minister Victoria Nuland decided who will rule Ukraine in 2014. Or that she said "Fuck the EU" in the same leaked telephone conversation(to which she already admitted)
The USA will also not tell you, that it's IMPOSSIBLE to blow up the Nord Stream pipelines like they tell it. That someone dove down there? Pressure? Hello? It had to have been done by some sort of robot/drone. And who has the money for that(and also is the only country that profited from this)? First they blamed Russia, then Russia said "we had the finger on the button, we could have stopped the oil trade whenever we wanted, and we actually did - twice", so then they blamed Ukraine. Ukraine didn't even have the money to tap their OWN oil springs.
The USA will also not tell you that they PROMISED gorby that they would not spread "ONE INCH further towards Russia" (after HE allowed Germany to reunite) - Russia is the only reason that Germany and in fact Europe is whole again, and still my country stabs them in the back.

Neither will Germany even investigate the pipeline explosions. Because OFC you don't investigate an act of terror IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR. Makes a lot of sense, Scholzi.
Why would you even investigate? Lol. No, Biden made the threat "we have our ways to stop this (oil trade between Germany and Russia)", and guess what happened. So we know who did it, we just pretend that we don't and that we don't care.

All this can be looked up. It's proven time and time again, there's more than enough documents to prove it.
Our news are not saying it's not true, they're just not reporting it.

No, we all pretend Russia is just EVIL, and nobody could have seen it coming(OK most Historians have been predicting this since 2013, some historians even since Poland joined NATO, but whatever - Historians kept saying "stop pushing Russia, or there WILL be war in Ukraine", not may not might, WILL). That's the only narrative we're allowed to have. Evil evil Russia, they just want World Domination.

In the meantime, the real villain still pretends they are the "source of freedom, order and democracy" in the world, because after 80 years of wars nobody has realized that they practically have Satan as a government. Lies to its own people that there's NO freedom or democracy ANYWHERE in the world other than America so that they never leave the States. And of the FEW people that DO leave the States to live in another country for more than a few days, most want to stay - or at least never go back to the US. And bringer of democracy? eat my entire ass. Great work bringing democracy to the Middle East. I can smell the democracy from here. Great work bringing democracy to Korea. Great job in Yugoslavia. Great job of getting rid of the dictatorship in Vietnam. Jesus they are just the pinnacle of doing things right.

And so utterly brainwashed. I've seldom seen people of ANY MODERN nation that were SO BRAINWASHED. Like they took a page right out of Göbbels Wochenschau. This is what the USA really learned from all the high-ranking Nazis they pardoned through paperclip: how to brainfuck your people till there is nothing left - the nazis excelled at that - their own fault letting them into their country instead of killing them like you should have. I've had dozens of Americans tell me "but you don't have freedom in Europe" ... and I'm like "are you allowed to drink in public? No? then you have fewer freedoms than i do." - we can have guns, we can own property, we have freedom of expression, we have mandatory health care, we can even DIRECTLY vote so "third parties" aren't automatically doomed - lol we have 2 of them in government right now. We have a fucking party that wants to build a death star, we can vote for ANYTHING we want(and yes, before you ask: i have voted for the death star party).
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US citizens can NEVER get rid of Democrats vs Republicans, unless they topple their government - which is about as close to a dictatorship as you can get, without officially being a dictatorship. US health care is a fucking joke - people having to pay up to $5000 for an ambulance, that's 0€ in most countries here. They can't even go to university for free :D what kind of "rich" country are they, srsly? And what freedoms do we not have in Europe? Nobody can ever answer me that. I've heard stuff like "freedom of speech" "freedom to have guns", yada yada yada, we have all that stuff. Yeah, it's regulated, as it should be. No, someone with diagnosed mental disorders should NOT be able to get AT LEAST A HANDGUN. US populus making too much use of their freedom to get brainfucked by media it seems to me. Gods and media is the worst there: it's either very right-wing or very left-wing, there is no middle ground essentially. While, sure we have big news stations in Germany that are practically full-on US propaganda TV, we have many that are just neutral and try to report all aspects of every situation. And even the big stations at least have the decency to pretend they're not controlled by the government and don't feed you extremist garbage to make you hate the other side more. No idea how many Americans i've seen that are Republican and won't talk to Democrats, or vice versa. Too many. I have no fucking idea what any of my friends or family vote for. It's private.

As Gustave Le Bon wrote in his book psychology of the masses (the Nazis used this book BIG TIME) - if you want to control the masses, give them something to hate - and if you manage to make them hate each other, you control them forever. And boy are they loyal to their country.
 
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There are a lot of places in Europe that are fourth world shitholes but they aren't as known as US ones just cause media are obssesed with the US. A lot of europeans are aware of the better part of US states, yet they can't name 7 cities from their neighbouring country or the next one. Think how many russian or portuguese cities can you name and compare it to the dozens and dozens of US places that we all know from films or whatever.
You can google places like Ferentari in Romania, the 3000 houses or Cañada Real in Spain, Scampía or Secondigliano in Naples.... and don't forget belgian and french jihadi strongholds like Molenbeek or Roubaix.
Also, it all being Europe, it's not the same Austria than Albania, Germany than Macedonia, Southern Italy or Spain than Norway, Denmark than Moldova....
I've been around in both Europe & US, so I'm a bad person to ask.
I can name you 20 cities in every European country. I can put both Slovakia and Slovenia on the right spot on the map
I'm the wrong fucking European to ask

But also we have good geography at school, at least in Germany. And we almost never looked at the US in school, only at Europe
I mean yeah I don't know the education levels of.. say Greece - but I'm sure as fuck they can at least name everything that was once Byzantine or Roman. Or Bulgarians are gonna know what was once Bulgarian (cuz they got huge af, man).
And ofc we learn history, so there too we learn of so many cities that were important to this war or that. Yeesh I can prolly name you 5 cities per neighbouring country from WW2 history class alone.

I honestly call bullshit on your claim that Europeans don't know Europe. Maybe in your country? I don't know.
But a country that takes education as fucking serious as mine does (and yes it is fucking hell on the highest education path) will teach you EVERYTHING and EXPECTS you to be able to know these things forever.
And just cities in neighbouring countries? How easy is that? No. I just call bullshit. In neighbouring countries everyone I know, even my mom who, god bless her, is not the brightest candle on the birthday cake, even she can name you a few cities in every country that borders Germany. Where do you go on vacation if not to neighbouring countries? what? That's just..no, sorry. No fucking way.

To be honest though I AM having some trouble with Eastern European cities, but mostly because I can't fucking pronounce half the names. I mean I know the capitals and a few other cities, many more in direct neighbours of Germany, but some are just like "Pečenjevce" or "Tiszaújváros"
..how do you even say that?!


And yeah maybe we do know a lot of US cities, but try naming multiple cities in a single state(which by the way are the SIZE of countries)? No fucking chance. Maybe California, that's it for 99% of Europeans. I could try with a few European cities and put "New" in front of them. And then most Europeans can NAME American cities, but couldn't place them anywhere on a map. Yeah most of us can do New York & LA, and where they are - that's easy. But after that? Cmon, ppl have no clue.
I can do multiple cities in a FEW states at best, and only because I studied the US map, and I've been to the US multiple times - my family is part American, and I can name and place all States with their capitals. That I did not even do for school, it was personal interest. The only thing we learned in school were the ORIGINAL 13 States. And that was in English class, not geography. Geography was literally 100% about Europe. Sure, we learned continents, maybe some countries on the continents, but cities and mountains, rivers and lakes was ALWAYS 100% Europe.

Europe might not be 'the same' in that sense, but the EU is. The EU has very strict regulations, so every country in the partnership has a very high standard or is going to have one in a few years, you can bet your entire ass on that. Even if there are many preconceptions. I can't tell you how many prejudices we have against Poland here in Germany. Especially that they're thieves, and the country is poor, or dirty, or whatever the fuck. But the country is fucking clean, highly educated, highly technological, rich, big dick military, wtf are we even talking about? Poland is awesome. They would 100% beat the shit out of us.

But we're Europeans. We hate each other. It is the way.
 
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Switzerland & Austria

Switzerland is not a real nation but a cave of financial pirates wich no world elite wants to disturb cause they keep their money safe in the cave. They aren't even a people as they think of themselves as german, italian or french.

But with Austria being neutral you must be joking. Austria is not a member of NATO just like Ireland. That's very very far from being neutral. You are too young to remember Alois Mock and that austrian gabinet in the 90's aren't you? These austrian neutral guys and their german masters comanded by khol not only helped massively to start the yugoslavian wars, but also worked against peace when UK and France called to peace negociations, they german- austrians blackmailed Miterrand and the rest of the euro govmts, leaving Mrs Tatcher govmt alone defending a negociated solutions.

Austria neutral, you say because they are not in NATO. Well Belarus isn't at war with Ukraine, would you call Lukashenko neutral?
Because Austria is just as free from Germany as Belarus is from Russia.
We don't live in the Prusian and Austrohungarian courts anymore, mate.
Metternich is dead centuries ago and Austria is just a german province just as Bavaria or Renania. They call it a state, also cops call you a gentleman but they don't think of you as being one.
Wait for austrians to disobey germans, but get a chair and a umbrella to wait , cause it won't happen in rhe next hours

Austria neutral!! Sorry @December Flower, but you killed me with that one
 
Switzerland is not a real nation but a cave of financial pirates wich no world elite wants to disturb cause they keep their money safe in the cave. They aren't even a people as they think of themselves as german, italian or french.

But with Austria being neutral you must be joking. Austria is not a member of NATO just like Ireland. That's very very far from being neutral. You are too young to remember Alois Mock and that austrian gabinet in the 90's aren't you? These austrian neutral guys and their german masters comanded by khol not only helped massively to start the yugoslavian wars, but also worked against peace when UK and France called to peace negociations, they german- austrians blackmailed Miterrand and the rest of the euro govmts, leaving Mrs Tatcher govmt alone defending a negociated solutions.

Austria neutral, you say because they are not in NATO. Well Belarus isn't at war with Ukraine, would you call Lukashenko neutral?
Because Austria is just as free from Germany as Belarus is from Russia.
We don't live in the Prusian and Austrohungarian courts anymore, mate.
Metternich is dead centuries ago and Austria is just a german province just as Bavaria or Renania. They call it a state, also cops call you a gentleman but they don't think of you as being one.
Wait for austrians to disobey germans, but get a chair and a umbrella to wait , cause it won't happen in rhe next hours

Austria neutral!! Sorry @December Flower, but you killed me with that one
Dude I live like an hour and a half away from Switzerland - I know so fucking many Swiss people, and you're going to shit literal bricks before they would call themselves German. Us Bavarians don't even call ourselves Germans, and we're literally a PART of Germany now.

They're High-Burgundian/Swiss and we're Bavarian. We're not German. Germans are angry flatland people. We're happy mountain people that celebrate pagan festivals that mostly revolve around dancing, beer and schnaps. Germans literally can't even understand us when we talk our languages, why the fuck would we call ourselves German? We can understand each other just fine. Switzerland and Bavaria that is(also Austria, ofc).

And yes Burgundians are real people with real traditions, real culture, real language, and no north Italy is NOT Italian. It's Cisalpine & Bavarian/Austrian - o and partially High-Burgundian ofc. So no not even the Italian part of Switzerland considers themselves Italian, they're still Swiss, and also they pretty much always have to learn Swiss German in school. Switzerland has below 5% of monolingual people..

I think you are forgetting that Germany is on the US leash since 1945. They control our media, our politics, everything.
We didn't even investigate an act of terror on our own soil in the middle of a war, because we knew our master did it.
We're occupied territory, not a country. We don't even have a constitution.
Sure Kohl and Genscher carry a lot of responsibility, but if you think this wasn't a US maneuver I don't know man.

Austria just saw profit. Dick move. Doesn't mean they are not their own masters.
Listen, I'm Bavarian - we have a LOT of hate for Austrians, because they were our vasalls, and split from our Kingdom.
They are bavarian in culture, in music, in language, everything but name. But they are their own masters.

They are dickholes(their government! i like a lot of the people, personally. but most bavarians don't), no question. They have a right-wing government ffs.
 
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Man, I sure respect your feelings of being a babarian and not a german, totally, I live in Spain and won't get started into the national minorities matter that has give us many a headache. But the reality is that Bavarian, Austrian and German political and economical elites are the same. The pangermanic bullshit is what lead their policy and what has twice (by now) erased the countries that they claim to love. But, sadly, most of bavarian politicians take their "Bavarianness" as a folky kind of think and they have enough wearing those shorts and hats and pretending to get drunk/funny at the Oktoberfest.
Austria just saw profit. Dick move. Doesn't mean they are not their own masters.
Well, we all saw how masters of their own they were in 1938. It's a shame not having Dollfuss here to tell us the tale of how his patriotic austrofascist let him down to hapilly hug uncle Adolf.

But I am happy to listen to your opinion and to notice that they can't push their pangerm imperialist shit into everyone. Cheers.
 
And no, Austria didn't saw profit. Austria was in need of fucking nothing. It was Germany who had just reunificated having to assume all the empoverished East and they couldn't do it without a wider germanic market. Austria thought "shit, they will Anchluss 0.2 us" in many a way. So they helped to make that market wider by breaking Yugoslavia and get Slovenia and Croacia as colonies, just like they did to another degree with Checoslovaquia. So it was Austria and not Germany who carried all the german BND operations supplying the croats weapons across the hungarian border, because pre-Orban Hungary was another whore. And it was Mock and not Khol the most hell bent in refusing peace for the Balkans.
That's exactly how masters of its own Austria was and still is.
 
Man, I sure respect your feelings of being a babarian and not a german, totally, I live in Spain and won't get started into the national minorities matter that has give us many a headache. But the reality is that Bavarian, Austrian and German political and economical elites are the same. The pangermanic bullshit is what lead their policy and what has twice (by now) erased the countries that they claim to love. But, sadly, most of bavarian politicians take their "Bavarianness" as a folky kind of think and they have enough wearing those shorts and hats and pretending to get drunk/funny at the Oktoberfest.

Well, we all saw how masters of their own they were in 1938. It's a shame not having Dollfuss here to tell us the tale of how his patriotic austrofascist let him down to hapilly hug uncle Adolf.

But I am happy to listen to your opinion and to notice that they can't push their pangerm imperialist shit into everyone. Cheers.
I mean yeah it's even worse in Spain. You got Catalans, Castellans, Navarro, Galicians, and the South is Arabic ffs
What's even Spanish.

I'm just saying there's a huge cultural difference. Like West-Francia & Aquitania huge. Have you ever been to the North of France, and then the South of France and it's like you're in a completely different country - the people are suddenly not snob artsy dicklords anymore, and they talk French like it went through the shredder? Welcome to Aquitania.

And also that Switzerland very well has their own culture and traditions. Yes it's used as an international bank/tax evasion paradise, I'm absolutely 100% aware of that. But these two, Switzerland and Austria are their own masters. Austria joined the axis because we were allies long before the war thanks to the Zweibund(later Dreibund including Italy)

I'm also not saying they don't make terrible decisions, but they can make these decisions.
 
And no, Austria didn't saw profit. Austria was in need of fucking nothing. It was Germany who had just reunificated having to assume all the empoverished East and they couldn't do it without a wider germanic market. Austria thought "shit, they will Anchluss 0.2 us" in many a way. So they helped to make that market wider by breaking Yugoslavia and get Slovenia and Croacia as colonies, just like they did to another degree with Checoslovaquia. So it was Austria and not Germany who carried all the german BND operations supplying the croats weapons across the hungarian border, because pre-Orban Hungary was another whore. And it was Mock and not Khol the most hell bent in refusing peace for the Balkans.
That's exactly how masters of its own Austria was and still is.
You sure Austria wanted this because the US told it to, or because it USED to be Austria-Hungary and it wanted to see it destroyed? I never know with Austrian gov. And I'm not forgetting that Austria was part of the axis, so surely there's some sort of bargaining chip in play.

But that's speculation. For NATO countries we all know who daddy is. Not much longer tho if he keeps screwing up
 
Nah, not really in my opinion. The US were hesitant at the begining. After all, Yugoslavia was not an enemy, they weren't Moscow puppets like the other communist countries, it never was a member of Warsaw Pact and Yugoslavian leaders were allways praised, specially Tito, of course, but even after him everybody respected Yugoslavia, I remember the Sarajevo Winter Games of middle 80's and all the western (and eastern, as post Stalin world also had good vibes to Yugslv) media were about how great the nation was, how well the different ethnics were with each other and all. It was only partially true, but nobody wanted to kill their neighbours.

After the Wall felt, it all changed. Suddenly, all the german media went nuts. You got Bild's front pages like: "Yugoslavia, the prison of peoples" (God, how well do I remember it). They never stopped giving coverage to the political offensive and the dirty BND moves. They wanted Slovenia, they wanted Croatia and there, in Slovenia was where the war started and Croatia was next. Germany and Austria had enough with that, but once it all started they couldn't avoid the same happening in Bosnia. In Bosnia was where Islam came at play and it all went global cause, like in Afghanistan, rich arabic kingdoms started pumping $ and sending muyaheedeen from everywhere to fight for the creation of a muslim state. In Europe, almost bordering another one like Albania and it all so close to Turkey, you see.
There was when the US got more interested. Also, the Clintons and Madeleine Allbright were far more motherfuckers than Bush Senior. So they said " Ok, we didn't start it this time but let's join it". And they just join the antiserbian side, leading it to the victory so they could dictate the post war conditions: they fucked the losers and took Kosovo to make Camp Boot, a massive base, and Montenegro to prevent Serbia from having sea acces. And with the winners, bosnian muslims? They ripped them off, fooling them into an orthopedic Bosnia,muslim&Herzegovina,croatian& Sperska Republic, serbian, as an unitariy state. A true Frankenstein entity, but they avoided the creation of a muslim state for their muslim "allies" and just let them down

Mind you that all 90's scenario happened with an useless alcoholic in the Kremlim, today the outcomes from such adventures could be worse than those that we are seeing in Ukraine.

So, no, for once, it wasn't the US who started all that.
Sorry for the lenght of the post, @December Flower, but I can't use English any better, any more precisely
 
And Serbia is also part of the EU, so no: it's not sovereign one tiny bit. It has very powerful allies that it cannot displease or the 90s was just the warm-up, let's say it like that.

Serbia is not an EU member state... Croatia only recently became full fledged EU member, Hungary is part of Schengen but economically still sovereign.

I think like @Señor Moreno says, there is lot of history here that West does not teach, leading to this impression that anyone that isn't aligned with Western dogma is bad evil people.

The problem, for the West, is that Russia must have a place at the table. For as long as the US tail wags the EU dog, EU will have difficulty maintaining a relationship with Russia. Eastern Europe, however, is already jaded after having been fed to Stalin by Western powers, and will cynically side with Russia if interests align.

I don't know where Austria enters into this. Austria is Europe's autistic child, an inscrutable mind of reason. Very strange folk, IMHO. Some people say Chinese are from space, I laugh. No no no, you have not seen space folk until you've met the Austrians.
 
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