yes, it was mistake. Their intention clearly was just kill everyone, they didn't expect hostage coming up. This is also implied in phrase "Only civilian-suited people seen have been HAMAS militants" or along the lines.
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"The only people seen wearing civilian clothing have been Hamas operatives, often unarmed."
Yeah, sure. They just register everyone as HAMAS militant apparently.
Yeah, sure. They just register everyone as HAMAS militant apparently.
nepalnt21
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the difference between netanyahu and hitler is academic and one of numbers... i'm not interested in parsing out the superficial differences between them... in all the important ways (being genocidal, liking war crimes, etc.) they are cut from the same cloth.
how about hitler- lite? his goons are diet- nazis, how bout that?
... by the u.s. and israel, correct. backed by almost the whole world, including palestine, and rejected/ vetoed by the u.s., israel, and a few small countries.
palestine typically rejects VERY shitty terms and sometimes accepts terms that really aren't great for them anyway... and israel has made it clear on occasions that they don't want a peaceful and pleasant-for-all-parties settlement.
you can read my mind better than even i can, wow... you're right, i just like hurting ppl.
or maybe, just maybe the nazis are the most famous genocidal maniacs, and it's really not going to have the same meaning if i compare them to the khmer rouge or something. the nazis are known for their attempts at ethnic cleansing, but any otger genocidal regime is known for other stuff, like the khmer rouge are thought of as communists, iirc.
maybe you can come up with another regime of ethnic cleansing fame that don't have some other attribute that is more defining of them? help me out, who else can i compare the evil israelis to?
i also think it would be offensive to me (were i jewish) to pigeonhole my jewish heritage by lumping me in with israel. seems antisemitic, imo.
so as i said above in response to malevolent, it's a dichotomy of magnitude. fine. diet nazis.
the nazis were no doubt MUCH worse, but netanyahu and them are cut from the same cloth. supremacists that have no problem dehumanizing, killing, and making the others suffer greatly.
amazing that a group formed in the 80s had a time machine to go back to the 40s and chill with hitler
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The biggest mistake you're making is comparing them to any genocidal regime whatsoever mainly because you are absolutely unable to substantiate the claim of genocide itself. Unless you can explain all the facts which run counter to the genocide narrative, such as the massive increases in Palestinian population and the lack of intentional mass murder. You haven't come close to providing evidence for genocide.
With all due respect, this attempt to call me antisemitic is kinda pathetic.
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Oops looks like Hitler was also doing deals with the Zionists. I thought he was attempting to eradicate all the Jews?
Very simple answer - to increase the number of israeli civilian casualties to get more justification for incursions into Gaza.
Precedent = Lavon Affair (1954) - As part of a false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets
Thanks I had a good chuckle at the irony of this one as your tactic is to pathetically label literally everyone else antisemites.
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i'm just telling you how i would feel.
have you seen the "never again means never again for anyone" movement? and/ or holocaust survivors criticizing israel for their actions?
lemme be clear, i am calling netanyahu and his genocidal maniac goons genocidal because it is clear that this is their attitude... i never said they had done a genocide.
i've maintained for weeks that what they are doing is clearly ethnic cleansing of the area. genocidal maniacs doing ethnic cleansing.
closing up a country of almost mostly children in an open air prison and carpet bombing them like fish in a barrel while denying them basic necessities like food medicine and water, going in and moving them to another place and taking over and placing flags down, all while dehumanizing them and using genocidal rhetoric (which i HAVE pointed out numerous times, can't help if you didn't see it)... they are cleansing gaza of palestinians. ethnic cleansing. and i HAVE addressed the bad faith and lazy argument about the palestinian population on i think two separate occasions. it isn't a good argument against the potential possibility of genocidal actions being undertaken (which holocaust scholars and genocide scholars have expressed their concerns over), and it isn't good evidence against the ethnic cleansing that is clearly happening.
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swilow
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So they haven't done a genocide, but are genocidal? How is that possible?
It's true to say Israel bsolutely could genocide Palestinians and have even a fragment of an excuse after October 7th (not saying i believe this, but that genocides have happened with simiarly flimsy justifications before)- and yet, Gaza is still inhabited by 2.2 millions Palestinians. Something doesn't add up. Either Israel are truly terrible at genocide...or they aren't doing one.
Again, how? The IDF openly broadcast where they are about to attack, and constantly ask the civilian population to clear those areas. Where is the ethnic cleansing/genocide?
Bombing places where terrorists are stationed isn't ethnic cleansing, it's war.
Sorry, but you keep talking about the prospect of a genocide, that it could happen, that the Israeli government want to genocide the population. You have never been able to provide the evidence that it's actually happening. Your entire view on this hinges on the claim and yet you can't show me any basis for it. To reiterate, the bombing and inadvertent killing of civilians isn't genocide.
You also seem to discount the actual, proximate cause of Israelis actions which is the threats of genocide from Gaza and the literal enactment of that desire on October the 7th.
You can't just look at what Israel is doing in isolation- you have to look at it as a response to open threats of genocide and actual actions in that vein.
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This is another ridiculous and paranoid allegation. The IDF and the world's media knew instantly that it was done by an IDF soldier. You're really struggling to fit this puzzle piece into your bizarre conspiracy worldview.
Doesn't it amaze you how every event somehow fits your preconceptions?
In the post I responded to, the claim was that me conflating the Jews with Israelis was somehow a generalisation or a stereotype. Tbc I've called you an antisemite because you've been making claims about the secret Zionist world power for years.
These are different things but you've always leapt at the chance to project your biases onto others.
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like how they told ppl to go south and then bombed the south?
you're deluding yourself if you don't think they are deliberately killing civilians.
yes, they use genocidal rhetoric as they commit war crimes. calling palestinians amalek, dehumanizing them, saying there are no civilians (i guess the hospitalized babies they forced to die scared and alone are terrorists, huh?)
think of those right wing christian nutjobs in the u.s. that are calling for genocide against gay ppl... are they DOING a genocide? no... are they genocidal in their attitude? absolutely yes.
the only difference is, netanyahu and his genocidal goons are DOING this:
like how they clear the area of palestinians and put up israeli flags. they are ethnically cleansing the areas.
again, i am NOT saying there is a genocide currently happening. you apparently knew that i had not said that there was currently a genocide and then still went on with your comment as though you think i had. this is not good faith arguing.
NO, i don't, once again. israel has the right to defend itself. so when are they gonna start trying to do so? their actions are OBVIOUSLY making israel MORE dangerous, including for israeli jews.
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do you have any statistics on exactly where in the south they bombed and how many civilians were killed there?
where are the Christians in the US calling for the genocide of homosexuals?!
what ethnicity are they cleansing?
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Hamas also fled south to continue hiding among the civilian population. Israel are not bombing civilians, they're bombing Hamas.
If someone's trying to shoot you, and you grab a bystander and use them to block the bullet, its still you who are reaponsible for the bystander being shot.
They're not though. They're warning the population even to their own strategic detriment.
They are certainly showing less restraint than they have previously because they recognise the existential threat as well as the impossibility of Israel ever coexisting with Hamas. It's either now or in the future that Hamas must be destroyed and it's never going to get easier. It's inevitable. For the civilians of Gaza, life has been hellish under Hamas' iron fist.
Calling for genocide is genocidal, yes. Israel are not calling for genocide nor are their actions genocidal. If you disagree, please explain why.
It's war. That is called "victory". It's not like this is an arbitrary war of conquest ala Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
So wiping out a terrorist group that explicitly calls for genocide against Jews and also massacres Jews is making Israel more dangerous?
Can you explain your thinking here?
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Whether or not Hamas hide in civilian areas, they're still bombing civilians.
A more accurate analogy would be: a guy is holding a hostage with a knife at their throat.
So you decide to throw a grenade at them.
You can find Netanyahu talking in the past about how they needed to fund Hamas. The PLO ended up preaching nonviolence which was a problem. Hamas the violent terrorist organisation is just what the Israeli government needs to help deal with the Palestinian problem.
Gladly:
Russia's war in Ukraine was because the West implemented a coup there in 2014, the Ukrainians in the Donbass region rightfully rejected the illegitimate regime change. The new illegal government started murdering over 10,000 of these citizens so Russia stepped in to protect them and to ultimately turn that region independent/autonomous. Whatever "conquest" delusions you're speaking of will be proven obviously wrong once the conflict is over and Russia has won, but not seized all of Ukraine and is not continuing to take over NATO and Western Europe.
Just as I can see that you gravely misunderstand the causes for the conflict in Ukraine, you also seem to be unaware of the history of indiscriminate IDF bombing in Gaza. They've been doing this for a while.
Israel cannot destroy Hamas and they're just wasting innocent lives (Palestinians and IDF soldiers) with this misguided operation. So yes they are making Israel more dangerous. Global support for Israel has dropped significantly since this latest Gaza incursion. Israelis are being attacked globally and the blatantly murderous IDF air strikes are causing many other countries to be dangerously close to intervening. You really think bombing more babies is going make Israel safer?
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Tell me you don't know how militarizes and war works without telling meWhether or not Hamas hide in civilian areas, they're still bombing civilians.
A more accurate analogy would be: a guy is holding a hostage with a knife at their throat.
So you decide to throw a grenade at them.
You can find Netanyahu talking in the past about how they needed to fund Hamas. The PLO ended up preaching nonviolence which was a problem. Hamas the violent terrorist organisation is just what the Israeli government needs to help deal with the Palestinian problem.
Gladly:
Russia's war in Ukraine was because the West implemented a coup there in 2014, the Ukrainians in the Donbass region rightfully rejected the illegitimate regime change. The new illegal government started murdering over 10,000 of these citizens so Russia stepped in to protect them and to ultimately turn that region independent/autonomous. Whatever "conquest" delusions you're speaking of will be proven obviously wrong once the conflict is over and Russia has won, but not seized all of Ukraine and is not continuing to take over NATO and Western Europe.
Just as I can see that you gravely misunderstand the causes for the conflict in Ukraine, you also seem to be unaware of the history of indiscriminate IDF bombing in Gaza. They've been doing this for a while.
Israel cannot destroy Hamas and they're just wasting innocent lives (Palestinians and IDF soldiers) with this misguided operation. So yes they are making Israel more dangerous. Global support for Israel has dropped significantly since this latest Gaza incursion. Israelis are being attacked globally and the blatantly murderous IDF air strikes are causing many other countries to be dangerously close to intervening. You really think bombing more babies is going make Israel safer?
If you're at war and your enemy is trying to kill you a bus load full of civilians isn't going to stop you from defending yourself against an attack. That's war whether you agree or not.
The blame is on Hamas for putting their civilians in the firefight
The blame is on Hamas for putting their civilians in the firefight
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And Israel isn't to blame for seizing land, pushing the entire population into a small area where they are basically trapped.
IDF Kills 3 Shirtless Israeli Hostages Waving White Flag; Calling for Help in Hebrew
Sarah Leah Whitson, Executive Director of DAWN, tweeted "Thousands (yes thousands) of Palestinians have described how Israel fires at unarmed people who pose no threat but only when it happens to Israelis do people believe it. We wrote a report some years ago *specifically* on the topic of Israel shooting at Gazans waving white flags."
B'Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, tweeted "It is prohibited by International Humanitarian Law (and basic moral principles) to shoot people who yielded and carry a white flag, regardless whether they’re combatants or not, regardless of their nationality and religion."
Owen Jones, a columnist for The Guardian, tweeted "Three obviously unarmed shirtless Israeli hostages yelling in Hebrew waving a white flag were shot dead by Israeli troops. Palestinian civilians don’t stand a chance."
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