Opioids Can anyone give tips on how to sleep during opiate/opioid withdrawal?

[yubacity]

Hooked from the get go eh? Sorry to hear about that mate. Have you considered weaning off?

I have approximately 25 x Tylex 30mgs for the back pain, some immodium, motillium and Ditrophan (for the sweats/hyper-hydrosis). One thing that really annoys me is the rapid changes in body temperature - I've yet to encounter anything that will level that particular symptom out however I have heard reports of clonidine having worked wonders for some folks in that regard.

Jaysis mate you were having the time of your life on day 3 of withdrawals? Just the mental image of you driving a forklift around chatting to office girls out of your head laughing with music blaring is hilarious mate

Body temp takes so long for me to sort itself out . On a pregab wd you feel really cold hairdryer under covers help

 

[Jnowhere]

Can someone explain why they give gabapentin for so many things? They even use it in veterinary medicine. Edit it is not like something worthless, that shit over time and use, has pretty bad withdrawalds and other side effects.

 

[axe battler]

Can someone explain why they give gabapentin for so many things? They even use it in veterinary medicine. Edit it is not like something worthless, that shit over time and use, has pretty bad withdrawalds and other side effects.

It's a useful medicine. They only really give it for nerve pain and off label sometimes as a sedative or anxiolitic, not much of a cure-all like opium/opiates used to be used for around 100 years ago, but it is fairly versatile.
Just like opium it treats pain, imagined or otherwise, so it's quite versatile.
It's also quite non-toxic, hard to fatally OD on, and isn't as addictive as many other medicines such as pregabalin or opiates. It's still definitely addictive though.

 

[phall]

got told by a gp in uk recently theyre gonna start reducing its usage . mainly due to ppl getting hooked and street selling reports geting back to them.

 

[kokaino]

I agree with some of those people that said depending upon the severity of the WDs, there are some times when sleep is not going to happen. For example, having been through the drama with various opiates/opiods (Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, Morphine, Fentanyl), I can tell you that Fentanyl was the most extreme WD torture I have ever experienced, by far. There was pretty much zero sleep during the first week or so, which exacerbated the nightmare of the affair wildly. Even after that, the PAWS was insane, and I really did not sleep properly for many months. Again, made the WDs far more torturous. Just what your brain and body DON'T need when you are trying to heal, of course. Even boatloads of Valium did almost nothing, other than make me feel brain dead. Tried Trazadone, did nothing but make me feel like complete garbage. I tried pretty much everything and every combination of things and in the end, I just could not do anything other than pass out occasionally, for short periods, usually minutes. Even the morphine, as bad as it was, was nothing compared to the Fent WDs. There is nothing anyone could ever do to convince me to touch that shit ever again. This Fent experience was the closest thing to a living nightmare that I could have ever imagined, and again, even morphine was easier, as shitty as that was.

Anyway, good luck, my friend. Things will get better if you get off the opiates. Once the hooks are out of you, you will begin feeling better. If I can do it, anyone can.

Withdrawals will be different for different individuals. As a general rule, it's widely accepted in medicine that opium-derived true opiates, such as morphine along with its 3,6-diester salts, are the worst. It is morphine and the rest of the drugs within this group which generate the prototypical opiate withdrawal syndrome and produce the most severe manifestation of TRUE physiological opiate dependency.

Synthetic opioids do produce dependency, and withdrawal can be severe, as obvious with fentanyl and pethidine/meperidine. But this is a “morphine-like” withdrawal syndrome, not a true opiate withdrawal.

But in response to the thread topic, the best withdrawal kit should have clonidine, a long-acting benzo (diazepam, nitrazepam or flurazepam are most ideal), both ibuprofen and acetaminophen and loperamide. I think, for me at least, these 5 are a must. However, the addition of something like pregabalin and either trazodone or mirtazapine, would be a definite bonus..

 

[emkee_reinvented]

You know, just in case the shit hits the fan and I gotta quit sooner than expected.

Erythrina Mulungu is sleep inducing. Maybe also when in WD's, its worth to try imo.

 

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

I love melatonin?, maybe it's me, but that stuff knocks me out. Even from Oxy.

I use 10mg - 12mg of melatonin every night, along with weed, ZzzQuil and oxy (I try to take a minimum of 10mg or 20mg a night nowadays, but sometimes I slip up and take 30mg).

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I use 10mg - 12mg of melatonin every night, along with weed, ZzzQuil and oxy (I try to take a minimum of 10mg or 20mg a night nowadays, but sometimes I slip up and take 30mg).

Can you get Mulungu?

I have a bag unopened but last time I took it was at least 15 years ago. And it suprised me that such a clean sleepaid existed. Its even a superiour anti-convulsant.

 

[Jnowhere]

got told by a gp in uk recently theyre gonna start reducing its usage . mainly due to ppl getting hooked and street selling reports geting back to them.

Anything gabapentin could do would be minor, unless you used a lot and to potentiate, other drugs. They do have nasty withdrawals and tolerance goes up real fast.
Here they give them out for so many things, even veterinarians use them.

 

[Ganjcat]

Ime the best you can hope for is half hour-2hr power naps(depending on the severity of the wd) you should do your best to physically make yourself naturally tired which is probs the last thing you will wanna do.

One thing I can say and the best advice I can give is if possible do NOT stay in bed after night time it just makes everything worse you should do your best to get up and do whatever exercise you can manage even a walk around the block can make c a difference and a shower or bath (but I prefer a shower)really helps with this and it helps a lot in general as it relax's ur muscles etc.

In the end tho you just have to get through it a lot of it is a mind game and after the initial physical wd it is almost entirely a mind game.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Ime the best you can hope for is half hour-2hr power naps(depending on the severity of the wd) you should do your best to physically make yourself naturally tired which is probs the last thing you will wanna do.

One thing I can say and the best advice I can give is if possible do NOT stay in bed after night time it just makes everything worse you should do your best to get up and do whatever exercise you can manage even a walk around the block can make c a difference and a shower or bath (but I prefer a shower)really helps with this and it helps a lot in general as it relax's ur muscles etc.

In the end tho you just have to get through it a lot of it is a mind game and after the initial physical wd it is almost entirely a mind game.

In some sports they do powernaps of max. 20 minutes. After it went on with the training and their prestation's were better. @0 minutes is when your about to fall asleep.

Not that it will help during WD's probably.

 

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

Ime the best you can hope for is half hour-2hr power naps(depending on the severity of the wd) you should do your best to physically make yourself naturally tired which is probs the last thing you will wanna do.

One thing I can say and the best advice I can give is if possible do NOT stay in bed after night time it just makes everything worse you should do your best to get up and do whatever exercise you can manage even a walk around the block can make c a difference and a shower or bath (but I prefer a shower)really helps with this and it helps a lot in general as it relax's ur muscles etc.

In the end tho you just have to get through it a lot of it is a mind game and after the initial physical wd it is almost entirely a mind game.

I did a lot of walking when I was clean for 2 weeks. I was still taking kratom, but it was an improvement overall. Walking helps too, indeed. Anything that'll distract from using helps.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Tip's on improving sleep while not WD-ing are easy. One is no screen's ( bluelight exposure is bad ) 2 hours at least before bed time. If you want the whole package I'll remble on. From the perspective of a chronic insomniac

There are several other's, but even without WD they are not magical sleepaid's.
So Mulungu, if you can get it. Is worth too try.

 

[Ganjcat]

I did a lot of walking when I was clean for 2 weeks. I was still taking kratom, but it was an improvement overall. Walking helps too, indeed. Anything that'll distract from using helps.

Yeah u hit the nail on the head with the distraction part

 

[Ganjcat]

I did a lot of walking when I was clean for 2 weeks. I was still taking kratom, but it was an improvement overall. Walking helps too, indeed. Anything that'll distract from using helps.

Tip's on improving sleep while not WD-ing are easy. One is no screen's ( bluelight exposure is bad ) 2 hours at least before bed time. If you want the whole package I'll remble on. From the perspective of a chronic insomniac

There are several other's, but even without WD they are not magical sleepaid's.
So Mulungu, if you can get it. Is worth too try.

Even if you don't do much exercise while in wd (which not every1 feels like it for obvious reasons) as long as you make sure you get up out of bed straight away this will prevent some fatigue and make you feel less like shit in the long term ideally you wanna jump straight in the shower or at the very least wash your face with cold water these little things don't sound like much but you would be superseded at the difference they make.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Even if you don't do much exercise while in wd (which not every1 feels like it for obvious reasons) as long as you make sure you get up out of bed straight away this will prevent some fatigue and make you feel less like shit in the long term ideally you wanna jump straight in the shower or at the very least wash your face with cold water these little things don't sound like much but you would be superseded at the difference they make.

A smoothie during showering is a great way to start the day.

 

[Psychlone Jack]

Huh, never knew mirtazapine was an antihistamine. Explains why when I was prescribed it and I would take a low dose of bupe, 1 or 2mg with low tolerance, shit would make me actually nod lol. And on the back end, some of that good sleep.

So yeah, definitely second the idea, if you can get some. Old thread that this is lol.

 

[WellTram]

Clonidine/Tizanidine, Mirtazapine, big dose of benzo. Other options are pregabaline (if it makes u sleepy) , quetiapine low dose. My best experience is benzos and Mirtazapine. Tizanidine Is great but it last's only 3hrs max.

I got clean after 10 years and loperamide is useful but it slows gastrointestinal motility which leads to toxic bullshit stay inside.

 

[WellTram]

Not a proton pump. It's the p glycoprotein pump at the blood brain barrier that renders lope peripheral. I don't think omeprazole inhibits that (cuz it's mechanism of action is low pH dependent).

Methamphetamine inhibits p glycoprotein etc. and makes your brain more prone to oxidation, neuroinflammation ..And it works for pain but meth Is as bad as opioids.

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

if you have some neuroleptics or something like metoclopramide or diphenhydramine/nate, chlorphenamine+promethazine or some antihistamines also try not to sleep if you are not tired!
sleep 2 hrs than no when you feel like you wanna lay down lay and maybe you will nap for hour or two maybe not but if you can't watch TV rather