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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

But maybe use the diazepam to taper and have a couple non benzo comfort meds to deal with physical symptoms like propranolol for the BP n heart stuff Maybe promethazine/DPH/melatonin for sleep.

Just be careful with the promethazine and DPH. I OD'd by accident one day and it was pretty fucking wild. Would not recommend,
 
pharaoh said:
Any thoughts on what benzo is best for tapering off? I use diazepam and generally was on about 30mg a day (if you trust bensedin's dosing). Due to stress and whatnot, I've started using more. I can get back down to 30mg a day I think but I don't trust bensedin at the moment - most of mine have seemed right but every time the packaging changes, you suddenly see bromazepam turning up in them. I have ordered clonazepam before and I believe that these are generally trustworthy as they don't seem popular enough to fake and the ones I had were real, I just can't remember the effects much due to being on a cocktail. I take nothing now except for my valium. Kpins have a longer onset and if this translates to half-life, could it be effective? Say tapering down to 30mg of valium and then switching to to clonazepam a day and then halving the dose, then quartering? Just a thought - I'll look into it more. I will try and tell the doctor but I don't have any faith in them prescribing in order to taper off even though they know I'm taking my recovery seriously.
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Diazepam hands down. Clonazepam is much stronger than valium not good for tapering off. Presumably if you can get the first two you can get another brand. Martin Dows are good.
 
Tranced said:
Chalk, couldnt even swallowed two. Had ten + 5 bensendin, felt the bensendin a tiny bit, those other ten... the chemical was disusting. Not a benzo is seemingly active. if i have the packets ill post them for you
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No offence bud, i enjoy reading your posts, but eating 10 bensedin is reckless in this current situation. Infact even buying Bensedin is madness just now.

Go on Wedinos and type in Metonitazene, and look how many of the results that come back are Bensedins. This is a potent opiate stronger than Fentanyl. I think people in the UK so far are not taking this seriously enough. Be safe out there people 🙏

There is a reason the Bensedins suddely became much cheaper and this is it. The Dows might be a bit more expensive £22 a box or 150 for 10, but that's because they are actually Diazepam. I can pick single boxes of even the Bensedins that are just Diazepam labtested for £9 now, because the name has been ruined.
 
Anyone tried the brand Dizzy-10 Indian vals that are about? My plug has these 20 for 30 valium. Persoally always had more success with the Indian brands than knock off UK or European ones. No info on Wedinos. Might just take the plunge and see.
 
elgoucho9 said:
No offence bud, i enjoy reading your posts, but eating 10 bensedin is reckless in this current situation. Infact even buying Bensedin is madness just now.

Go on Wedinos and type in Metonitazene, and look how many of the results that come back are Bensedins. This is a potent opiate stronger than Fentanyl. I think people in the UK so far are not taking this seriously enough. Be safe out there people 🙏

There is a reason the Bensedins suddely became much cheaper and this is it. The Dows might be a bit more expensive £22 a box or 150 for 10, but that's because they are actually Diazepam. I can pick single boxes of even the Bensedins that are just Diazepam labtested for £9 now, because the name has been ruined.
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Haha, no worries with offending me - say as you please, always. <3

I allow all my benzo posts to serve as a notice of what to DEFINITELY NOT EVER DO, and usually include a little disclaimer as I've done way way worse than neck 10 benzos at once (which I do once a month). I often mention this on here, again, its a warning - but I've actually maxed out at 330mg pure alprazolam powder shortly after etizolam was banned and me and my friend stocked up on a few thousand doses which lasted a month or so, if that.

Me necking 10 (15) valium is indeed reckless, but once you hit 330mg xanax like 7 years ago, 1-5 vallies just don't ever hit the same anymore. Which is a brilliant reason not to do what I do, if you want to be able to reasonably continue valium.

We already discussed Metonitazene together in the other thread, and I'm all too aware and deeply concerned about fent types (or any opiod) being found in benzos - especially our holy grail of the past few years, galenika.

For all my reckless benzo use, I have only took a knowing chance with a potential fent benzo twice - once was one of those five milligram xanax (some had been dosed with fent, so I took a 1/4 first and compared & contrasted wedinos results), and then yesterday with the snidey accords (and legit bensendin). The accords were clearly fake and didn't taste like benzos, but I couldn't see anything about accord Metonitazene on wedinos, and from what I could contrast with what I had, I likely had bromazepam.

But yeah, that was indeed one of the few truly reckless things I've done with regards to drugs.

I did really, really need a benzo yesterday though.
 
elgoucho9 said:
Anyone tried the brand Dizzy-10 Indian vals that are about? My plug has these 20 for 30 valium. Persoally always had more success with the Indian brands than knock off UK or European ones. No info on Wedinos. Might just take the plunge and see.
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Photo?

Indians stuff is so hit and miss. I've had Indian tramadol that was pure pregabalin of late, and many other shady blisters fresh out of india.

P.s your thing about Martin Dows is incorrect. There are loads of snidey/quasi-snidey martin dows doing the rounds; I certainly had some with a lesser benzo.

Bromazolam, Flualprazolam, etizolan, or hows about this one:

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Date Received: 10 Mar 2022
Purchase Intent: Diazepam
Package Label: Martin Dow Diazepam
Sample Upon Analysis (Major): Etizolam
Sample Upon Analysis (Minor): Ketamine, Pregabalin, Melatonin, Diazepam

!!! Grim

(to be fair I'd probably love it, if it had enough ketamine and pregabalin, =D
 
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elgoucho9 said:
Diazepam hands down. Clonazepam is much stronger than valium not good for tapering off. Presumably if you can get the first two you can get another brand. Martin Dows are good.
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Clonazepam is considered the gold star alongside diazepam for tapering.

10mg diaz = 1mg clonazepam, for me personally. and I just directly flip between all benzos using my own little charts (or those I find online), personally.

People say xanax is bad for tapering - not if you need a benzo ASAP! Plus it's fine anyway. I've tapered with alprazolam, etizolam diazepam and clonazepam, usually switching between a few. I noticed no other difference other than alprazolam, due to short half life, letting your tolerance reset faster than clonaz/diaz. Which is also an important part to consider.

Just remember - day three is fucking seizure day!! So always taper, and absolutely, do not, ever, let yourself run out. Any benzo will do on that day 3.
 
Tranced said:
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Indians stuff is so hit and miss. I've had Indian tramadol that was pure pregabalin of late, and many other shady blisters fresh out of india.

P.s your thing about Martin Dows is incorrect. There are loads of snidey/quasi-snidey martin dows doing the rounds; I certainly had some with a lesser benzo.

Bromazolam, Flualprazolam, etizolan, or hows about this one:

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Date Received: 10 Mar 2022
Purchase Intent: Diazepam
Package Label: Martin Dow Diazepam
Sample Upon Analysis (Major): Etizolam
Sample Upon Analysis (Minor): Ketamine, Pregabalin, Melatonin, Diazepam

!!! Grim

(to be fair I'd probably love it, if it had enough ketamine and pregabalin, =D
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That's some test result lol. Like they just swept up what was left on some giant lab table and pressed into pills 😂

Those Dows aren't the same as the ones knocking around now though, different colour tablet etc. Also that report is from over 18 months ago. Back then Dows were a super cheap brand and nearly all just fakes full of chalk etc. Haven't seen anything more recent with the Dows showing anything other than Diazepam. Also like i say they are being sold by all the trusted benzo suppliers, at a higher price than other brands. Only brand i've had in ages that had that magic glow about them.
 
elgoucho9 said:
That's some test result lol. Like they just swept up what was left on some giant lab table and pressed into pills 😂
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Or wedinos forgot to clean up before a new test. I definitely think wedinos make mistakes like that, from some of the odd things I witness on there. Either that or "chemists" are thick as shit.

There is zero chance you could fit a dose of pregabalin, let alone ketamine too, in a tablet that size; let alone any kind of worthwhile dose, given the 2 mg (I'd assume) dose is major, and they are minor. So say 1mg of pregabalin and 1mg ketamine in your diazepam tablet. 😂

I have actually caught wedinos mixing up my results with someone elses before, so they do do this stuff.
 
Tranced said:
Or wedinos forgot to clean up before a new test. I definitely think wedinos make mistakes like that, from some of the odd things I witness on there. Either that or "chemists" are thick as shit.

There is zero chance you could fit a dose of pregabalin, let alone ketamine too, in a tablet that size; let alone any kind of worthwhile dose, given the 2 mg (I'd assume) dose is major, and they are minor. So say 1mg of pregabalin and 1mg ketamine in your diazepam tablet. 😂

I have actually caught wedinos mixing up my results with someone elses before, so they do do this stuff.
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Never even thought of that man but it makes sense. I mean it's unlikley whoever made the tablets had those ingredients all lying around on the sane table when pressing benzos. I too have seen a few strange results like that from Wedinos. Glad you pointed this out as now it makes sense. Also annoying that they can't be more clinical in what they're doing.
 
elgoucho9 said:
Never even thought of that man but it makes sense. I mean it's unlikley whoever made the tablets had those ingredients all lying around on the sane table when pressing benzos. I too have seen a few strange results like that from Wedinos. Glad you pointed this out as now it makes sense. Also annoying that they can't be more clinical in what they're doing.
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Imagine putting 1mg of ketamine in a benzo.

Make 28,000 pills and you've just used an ounce of ketamine for absolutely no reason whatsoever, other than to fuck with us and wedinos. And lost a good few hundred quid when you're expected profit is going to be in the thousands of pounds. Would be an odd thing to do.
 
pharaoh said:
Any thoughts on what benzo is best for tapering off? I use diazepam and generally was on about 30mg a day (if you trust bensedin's dosing). Due to stress and whatnot, I've started using more. I can get back down to 30mg a day I think but I don't trust bensedin at the moment - most of mine have seemed right but every time the packaging changes, you suddenly see bromazepam turning up in them. I have ordered clonazepam before and I believe that these are generally trustworthy as they don't seem popular enough to fake and the ones I had were real, I just can't remember the effects much due to being on a cocktail. I take nothing now except for my valium. Kpins have a longer onset and if this translates to half-life, could it be effective? Say tapering down to 30mg of valium and then switching to to clonazepam a day and then halving the dose, then quartering? Just a thought - I'll look into it more. I will try and tell the doctor but I don't have any faith in them prescribing in order to taper off even though they know I'm taking my recovery seriously.
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Just a thought.

Long half life of clonazepam has never bothered me, just put it under your tongue n let it melt. Comes on faster. I'd definitely go clonaz as rarely faked. But it f you can get legit Diaz use them to taper and keep clonazyfor emergencies.

But do get tapering. Your life will be better for it.
 
BadBoy377 said:
Just a thought.

Long half life of clonazepam has never bothered me, just put it under your tongue n let it melt. Comes on faster. I'd definitely go clonaz as rarely faked. But it f you can get legit Diaz use them to taper and keep clonazyfor emergencies.

But do get tapering. Your life will be better for it.
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Thanks for the advice and to others. This might be a stupid question but what about Z drugs to help with sleep and stuff? I was never sure if they were benzos or if there were issues with cross tolerance or whatever.
 
There definitely is issues with cross tolerance. I used zopiclone for a long time for chronic insomnia. I doesn't really work anymore. Zaleplon is shit, don't waste your time.

If you're not a z drug user they will help you sleep but I'd recommend a straight up taper rather than introduce another ropey substance...
 
pharaoh said:
Thanks for the advice and to others. This might be a stupid question but what about Z drugs to help with sleep and stuff? I was never sure if they were benzos or if there were issues with cross tolerance or whatever.
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I've used most GABA drugs, and literally nothing that I've used has helped with, or I've heard could help with, a benzo withdrawal. Not the seizures and intense stuff, anyway.

Sleep? A z drug might help, though when I took one during benzo withdrawal, I seemed to have a tolerance to it and couldn't sleep, just had to be awake through those bizarre dreamy trippy aspects instead.

If you can't sleep I'd reccomend a totally different set of receptors: melatonin if you can get it (biovea france, like a french holland and barrets, was always a go to for many in the uk) - and no it's not illegal/graymarket, so posting that is fine. It's just got a patent preventing sale from within our border.

Even Nytol at a push, but that's a bit grimey.

Gabapentin/pregabalin will work to mitigate some aspects of withdrawal, for sure, but when you start seizure twitching on no benzo day three, I'd expect it to trigger the grand mal, not prevent it.

On May 1st I rapidly came off 3 years more of benzo use and was taking 2mg clonazepam (equiv to about 2 x 10mg diazepam to me). I'd spent all my money and had 4 x 2mg clonaz pills left. I just split the dose in half, daily, to about 200 mics, weighing crushed up clonaz into tens towards the end (so 200 mics a dose).

My point being, I had very little to work with, just four tablets which could easily be eaten in a day, but I'd reached the end and had one choice; and I actually spread them pretty far. It wasn't as smooth as it can be, possibly dangerous, but I was fine and very glad to rapidly taper off. So it can be done, fast and surgical, if necessary.

Just keep a dose for the 72 hour point, in case you start twitching/getting brain zaps. They are truly your "angels" of death during benzo withdrawal. If you sort of stagger your remaining doses on day 2-3 like that, it can also help, and help reduce tolerance. Dangerous waiting until, again... dreaded day 3.
 
Hi actuly did it earlier in the year but it wasn't a taper. I came off a bender and didn't rely factor in benzos cos I was all over the place and I did end up having a seizure. Weirdly after that it wasn't too bad but it was really weird, the depersonalization stuff is like being on a drug itself. Naturally the doctors didn't believe me re the seizure and thought I was trying to get benzos (I wasn't - I was trying to get a place in the hospital for a week and they sent me home with zopiclones). But that wasn't a taper so I think I can manage when I get there. I had free time and was alone for a couple of weeks which made it easier. It is easier at this point to just stay on them. Glad to get an answer about pregabalin/gabapentinoids generally as that was a question I had. I suppose you could keep some and low dose them for w/ds and have some alprazolam handy for the seizure. I fucking hate them and have had them from booze, can see them coming and they scare me more than anything, more than death itself tbh. The NHS is fucked as we know and is gonna get worse but we desperately need detox centers for booze (I did do a week in one) as well as benzos, especially with the street valium problem. It's a nightmare and I only use them because nothing the doctors have given me actually help. In fact, they hinder. Tbh I'm too scared to do it at the moment so I'm just gonna lower my dose and think about tapering when I am stable enough and have time. Thanks for the tips everyone.
 
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