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Soso78 said:
Of course Israel should try to do destroy hamas but what’s happening here is just wrong.
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So what do you suggest? Invite Hamas on to a battlefield?

Hamas hide underneath the civilian landscape, deliberately and out of necessity. What do you expect Israel to actually do? Israel isn't the USA, Russia or China, it doesn't have millions of canon fodder it can just throw into an urban environment and absorb the losses just to appease people like you who expect their military to tiptoe around all the civilians. If Israel tried to do that, just urban warfare without the targeted aerial strikes, it would sustain massive losses and put itself at an existential risk of being overwhelmed by the surrounding Arab states who would undoubtedly take the opportunity to invade and destroy it.

Be real. Regardless of how you personally feel towards Israel what do you expect them to actually do. Don't forget the majority of the armed forces are young conscripts as well, which adds another layer of why they can't afford to just throw away lives on a pointless urban warfare scenario.

Hamas purposefully play to this with their propaganda and wailing about civilian deaths, taking any opportunity to exaggerate or show media friendly imagery of children hoisted from rubble. They know Israel has no choice and they fully exploit that to their advantage, which you have absorbed obviously.
 
Sharia law in practice: homosexuals tossed off tall building to their deaths.



Hamas wants sharia law from the river to the sea.
 
Soso78 said:
Of course Israel should try to do destroy hamas but what’s happening here is just wrong.
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That's just it though. They need to do it. The circumstances in which Hamas operate are what causes the high civilian toll. Your two statements sort of cancel each other out. A need to defend themselves and yet they're wrong to do so. What is the alternative?
 
There are noticeably less (NAFO) accounts with single digit followers and Ukraine flags in their bios since this war started, but it appears they've been replaced with Palestine accounts

This is a hilarious time for a 4 follower account to say "Oh I struck a nerve" to a pretty simple reply

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Here's the post the "Not my problem" post was replying to

 
So, again, just confirm to everyone that it's perfectly fine to slaughter 10,000+ innocent women and children because "Israel has no choice".

One of the most well defended places on earth (when they bother to watch their fences) with enough artillery to wipe out the entire Gaza Strip - has to do this in the name of self-defence.

If you want to go on believing that, fine.

You seem totally oblivious to the conditions you've forced them to live in which created the monster that is Hamas - as if they just popped up out of nowhere all of a sudden, just like that. Hamas is a reflection of what happens to a people when you turn the screws and apply pressure. What part of this have you failed to grasp?

But while Hamas is truly a monster - what does that make Israel?

But let's be frank here - the tragedy is that most Israelis were about kick their leader out of office for multiple charges of corruption just a year ago. You have the most historically (extreme) right-wing racist government you've ever had in power right now.

But that's okay, they're good guys underneath, right? Of course we can trust them to make this right.

100 years of history - 100 years of war and fighting. 100 years of dead bodies piling up.

The only time this will ever end is when they agree to live together in peace. In order to do that, Israel has to stop taking every possible scrap of land and prove to the rest of the world that they're not trying to wipe the Palestinians out of existence. I mean, that would probably be a good start.

But 100 years later - this is where we're at.

I'd love to know what exactly has been successful about the whole Israel project? Hold on! They invented Pegasus, the finest tool to spy on your neighbour ever created, and then quickly sold it to the most corrupt governments all over the world so they could arrest and kill their political opponents. Okay, okay, but what other great things has Israel given us over the last 100 years?

There is also the much bigger question of what happens after? It will be hard for just about any Jewish person to stand up and say "hey, we were oppressed and massacred during WW2, show us some sympathy" - when they're doing exactly the same thing the Nazis did to them. Clearly the old adage "two wrongs don't make a right" flew past the Israeli cabinet and disappeared straight out the window. The Israeli population will be viewed very differently by the rest of the world when the dust eventually settles here. Just think about that for a moment. Israel may well control Western media at this point - but people aren't stupid. Israel will forever be associated with the mass-slaughter of thousands of innocent women and children - and no amount of media reporting or news stories will undo this. Remember, the current Israeli government won't be too bothered about the long-term implications here - they'll be long gone and retired in a few years from now. It will be the next generation that will have to pick up the pieces of this mess.

Now all we need to do is make sure they've got enough nukes to blow up the Arab world and we're all set towards that slippery slope that is WW3 or, perhaps more accurately, the end of all humanity as we know it "in the name of god".

Nice god.
 
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montel said:
So, again, just confirm to everyone that it's perfectly fine to slaughter 10,000+ innocent women and children because "Israel has no choice".

One of the most well defended places on earth (when they bother to watch their fences) with enough artillery to wipe out the entire Gaza Strip - has to do this in the name of self-defence.

If you want to go on believing that, fine.

You seem totally oblivious to the conditions you've forced them to live in which created the monster that is Hamas - as if they just popped up out of nowhere all of a sudden, just like that. Hamas is a reflection of what happens to a people when you turn the screws and apply pressure. What part of this have you failed to grasp?

But while Hamas is truly a monster - what does that make Israel?

But let's be frank here - the tragedy is that most Israelis were about kick their leader out of office for multiple charges of corruption just a year ago. You have the most historically (extreme) right-wing racist government you've ever had in power right now.

But that's okay, they're good guys underneath, right? Of course we can trust them to make this right.

100 years of history - 100 years of war and fighting. 100 years of dead bodies piling up.

The only time this will ever end is when they agree to live together in peace. In order to do that, Israel has to stop taking every possible scrap of land and prove to the rest of the world that they're not trying to wipe the Palestinians out of existence. I mean, that would probably be a good start.

But 100 years later - this is where we're at.

I'd love to know what exactly has been successful about the whole Israel project? Hold on! They invented Pegasus, the finest tool to spy on your neighbour ever created, and then quickly sold it to the most corrupt governments all over the world so they could arrest and kill their political opponents. Okay, okay, but what other great things has Israel given us over the last 100 years?

There is also the much bigger question of what happens after? It will be hard for just about any Jewish person to stand up and say "hey, we were oppressed and massacred during WW2, show us some sympathy" - when they're doing exactly the same thing the Nazis did to them. Clearly the old adage "two wrongs don't make a right" flew past the Israeli cabinet and disappeared straight out the window. The Israeli population will be viewed very differently by the rest of the world when the dust eventually settles here. Just think about that for a moment.


Israel may well control Western media at this point - but people aren't stupid. Israel will forever be associated with the mass-slaughter of thousands of innocent women and children - and no amount of media reporting or news stories will undo this. Remember, the current Israeli government won't be too bothered about the long-term implications here - they'll be long gone and retired in a few years from now. It will be the next generation that will have to pick up the pieces of this mess.

Now all we need to do is make sure they've got enough nukes to blow up the Arab world and we're all set towards that slippery slope that is WW3 or, perhaps more accurately, the end of all humanity as we know it "in the name of god".

Nice god.
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I love how you're critical of their God but not the one that enables Hamas. You say Israel created Hamas because of pressure and mistreatment. What about hezbollah , isis, Al qaeda, etc? Did Israel create them too? Where are all the other terrorists groups from other religions that have inflicted the same amount of damage? Was there ever a Native American or African American terror group that raped and murdered 1500 people after the atrocities done to their people?
 
Your attempts to deviate from the main point are becoming very predictable.

I'm not talking about the others, I'm talking about Israel and the Palestinians.

I quote "You say Isreal created Hamas because of pressure and mistreatment"

Yes.

ISIS and Al Qaeda were originally funded by the Jewish-backed US government. How else did they get their weapons? Did they craft them out of sand and stone? No, they were set up to topple one regime or another and then they switched sides. This is no big secret - and it also has no bearing on what I'm talking about.

If you could just point out to me how I've got it all wrong and that Israel has been a great guiding hand to the Palestinians and keen to want to live together with them. If you can just show me that part, which I've clearly missed in all my history lessons, then I'll gladly eat my hat.
 
swilow said:
That's just it though. They need to do it. The circumstances in which Hamas operate are what causes the high civilian toll. Your two statements sort of cancel each other out. A need to defend themselves and yet they're wrong to do so. What is the alternative?
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It’s not self defence when they flatten entire areas.
It’s gone way past self defence
 
montel said:
Your attempts to deviate from the main point are becoming very predictable.

I'm not talking about the others, I'm talking about Israel and the Palestinians.

I quote "You say Isreal created Hamas because of pressure and mistreatment"

Yes.

ISIS and Al Qaeda were originally funded by the Jewish-backed US government. How else did they get their weapons? Did they craft them out of sand and stone? No, they were set up to topple one regime or another and then they switched sides. This is no big secret - and it also has no bearing on what I'm talking about.

If you could just point out to me how I've got it all wrong and that Israel has been a great guiding hand to the Palestinians and keen to want to live together with them. If you can just show me that part, which I've clearly missed in all my history lessons, then I'll gladly eat my hat.
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so ... no answer. Got it.
 
Soso78 said:
It’s not self defence when they flatten entire areas.
It’s gone way past self defence
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name a war where areas weren't flattened
name a war where civilians didn't die

also name a war where one side spent significant time and resources warning the other side to evacuate

where one side agrees to release prisoners/criminals in exchange for their women, children, and old ladies during a ceasefire at twice the rate
 
mal3volent said:
name a war where areas weren't flattened
name a war where civilians didn't die

also name a war where one side spent significant time and resources warning the other side to evacuate

where one side agrees to release prisoners/criminals in exchange for their women, children, and old ladies during a ceasefire at twice the rate
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Think I’m only seeing a one sided view of what’s happening. Mainly civilians being killed and houses bombed.
Is there much actual combat on the streets? Are Israel troops actually engaged in combat or they just bombing ?
Some of the huge areas of civilian houses that have been raised to the ground make it look more like a systematic destruction than actual combat.
 
Soso78 said:
Think I’m only seeing a one sided view of what’s happening. Mainly civilians being killed and houses bombed.
Is there much actual combat on the streets? Are Israel troops actually engaged in combat or they just bombing ?
Some of the huge areas of civilian houses that have been raised to the ground make it look more like a systematic destruction than actual combat.
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yes, there is ground combat

if Israel wanted to flatten Gaza they could have on Day 1
 
I did answer you, I said your example of other people doing bad things is completely irrelevant and doesn't justify anything that's happening now.

By your logic:

The Romans fed people to lions for entertainment. So could I now open a circus and also feed people to lions for entertainment?

You seem to be suggesting that because they did it in the past, that it's okay for us to do it now.

I personally don't wish to repeat the horrors of WW1, WW2, The Korean War, Vietnam, and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars - and I would hope that we've learnt some lessons. Simple things like, let's learn to live together because it tends to be a lot less painful.

We are passively watching one group of people mercilessly slaughtering thousands of innocent people whose only crime was to be born in that area.

As was also pointed above - they have levelled Gaza and they are bombing the so-called safe areas. So let's not go down the behaving like true gentlemen path. It still, as sad as it me pains to say it, doesn't justify murdering lots of innocent people.

You do seem like a troubled soul, but I do think you'll see the light eventually. Mostly because the truth is staring you in the face every time you watch the news. Murder is a hard image to shake, and no amount of political spin or media trickery is capable of concealing the bare facts - not when the death toll is this high. This is the scary part - Israel will be more isolated than ever when the missiles stop firing. Israel may also have nuclear missile capabilities - if not now - then very soon.
 
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montel said:
We are passively watching one group of people mercilessly slaughtering thousands of innocent people whose only crime was to be born in that area.
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So why does your empathy and compassion only extend in one direction? 1000+ innocent Israeli's were butchered. What was their crime, other than being born in the wrong area of Israel? And how do you square the circle in regards to justifying the butchery of these people?

Don't forget Hamas won 44% of the vote. That's a lot of Gazan's who willingly voted these people in, knowing full well what they actually stand for. That doesn't justify bombing civilians out of existence, but conversely it means painting all the people of Gaza as innocent is a ludicrous notion.
 
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