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Police Brutality Thread

As much as I don't give af about Chauvin, I mean I don't think he should just be shanked or killed in prison.

The point of the Department of CORRECTions is to CORRECT behavior. I mean the only instance where people aren't given the chance to change is when they're sentenced to the death penalty. Unless there's no possibility of changed behavior, and he's sentenced to the death penalty, then he should be able to at least serve out his sentence. Do I think ten years is enough with good behavior? No imo, he's a murderer. But do you think he's doing easy time in there, being known as Floyd's murderer? Fuck no guys. Those are hard days. Prison is not easy on its own.

But I have seen people that have committed atrocious crimes, yet turned their lives around and become inspirational figures. Priests, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, all after doing a lot of time. One of my roommates has been in prison for a murder. But he's been given a chance to do the right thing and get his life together. Nothing about his behavior would have told me this, aside from the words telling me what happened. He's a smart, friendly kid. He deserves a chance to redeem himself, no different from any other prisoner or convict, aside from the worst, most unrepentant cases. Chauvin is no different. This is what separates us from the animals.
That's really inspiring, but you should know Chauvin is not doing hard time with bank robbers and murderers. He's literally PC the the custody level determines only how plush his conditions in there are. Medium would be how you imagine, but because he's known for who he is, he probably doesn't get to socialize much. I really don't know how it is in PC but the stabbing happened I can 51% guarantee on his way to court or the doctor is some crap. The cop put him in with a gen pop and he got whooped. The other 49% of my belief is held in that he was targeted by a 25 to lifer[A gang exclusive to protective custody] and got stabbed while he was in the day room or yard or whatever they get. I really feel like the general public is completely fooled and confused by the application of some words to the outside view of a prison facility. They're "correctional officers" and "department of corrections" dudes and so on and so forth, but they are not correcting anything. They're getting this menace off the streets and holding him in less than ideal conditions for punishment of his crime. These "Detention" facilities are nothing more than a simple smoke screen for cruelty, malice, corruption, and punishment. While he's in there getting punished for murder why not add a few shivs and battery-filled socks to the mix? I think he should get his shit kicked in so hard he's one less inmate needing to be housed by the private prison sector. Private prisons, isn't that insane? We imprison ourselves, or better yet let the government imprison us, take us to jails, and soon a prison sentence we imprison ourselves. I just can't believe that. I don't think anybody should be locked up. If you think there's exceptions to that build your own prison with your own money and lock those people up in your prison/basement. That's how a civilized society should operate. If there is a discrepancy in justice let it be picked up by people far more wealthy and powerful than us. Other than that, eye for an eye.
 
That's really inspiring, but you should know Chauvin is not doing hard time with bank robbers and murderers. He's literally PC the the custody level determines only how plush his conditions in there are. Medium would be how you imagine, but because he's known for who he is, he probably doesn't get to socialize much. I really don't know how it is in PC but the stabbing happened I can 51% guarantee on his way to court or the doctor is some crap. The cop put him in with a gen pop and he got whooped. The other 49% of my belief is held in that he was targeted by a 25 to lifer[A gang exclusive to protective custody] and got stabbed while he was in the day room or yard or whatever they get. I really feel like the general public is completely fooled and confused by the application of some words to the outside view of a prison facility. They're "correctional officers" and "department of corrections" dudes and so on and so forth, but they are not correcting anything. They're getting this menace off the streets and holding him in less than ideal conditions for punishment of his crime. These "Detention" facilities are nothing more than a simple smoke screen for cruelty, malice, corruption, and punishment. While he's in there getting punished for murder why not add a few shivs and battery-filled socks to the mix? I think he should get his shit kicked in so hard he's one less inmate needing to be housed by the private prison sector. Private prisons, isn't that insane? We imprison ourselves, or better yet let the government imprison us, take us to jails, and soon a prison sentence we imprison ourselves. I just can't believe that. I don't think anybody should be locked up. If you think there's exceptions to that build your own prison with your own money and lock those people up in your prison/basement. That's how a civilized society should operate. If there is a discrepancy in justice let it be picked up by people far more wealthy and powerful than us. Other than that, eye for an eye.
I'm not the general public homie. I've spent time in these facilities. I know people that have spent years. I know how shitty it is. Even in a "cushy" situation your entire life is stripped from you and you have no real freedom.

We haven't done that eye for an eye shit since BC times. That's not how the world operates anymore. I'm not on board with for profit prisons by any means. But the point doesn't change that there has to be a place for people to be put when they commit fucked up crimes that show they aren't fit to mingle with the general public, until they figure out that's not the way to live. Otherwise, there is no peace, no change in behavior, and people will continue getting away with horrendous behavior until they're dead.

Just saying "oh just put people in your own prison" is one of the most batshit takes I've ever heard. I'd love to see how that would work out.
 
I'm not the general public homie. I've spent time in these facilities. I know people that have spent years. I know how shitty it is. Even in a "cushy" situation your entire life is stripped from you and you have no real freedom.

We haven't done that eye for an eye shit since BC times. That's not how the world operates anymore. I'm not on board with for profit prisons by any means. But the point doesn't change that there has to be a place for people to be put when they commit fucked up crimes that show they aren't fit to mingle with the general public, until they figure out that's not the way to live. Otherwise, there is no peace, no change in behavior, and people will continue getting away with horrendous behavior until they're dead.

Just saying "oh just put people in your own prison" is one of the most batshit takes I've ever heard. I'd love to see how that would work out.
Eh. I don't think it's that batshit. In a perfect world, in my perfect scenario, I live in a society where people commit fucked up crimes and my response to that is an eye for an eye. Which if you think about it, our whole American values system is built on 10 commandments, which was taken from an ancient Sumerian 3,400-5000 year old tablet which decreed the laws and punishments for a big walled town from that era.
So an eye for an eye and imprisoning someone are both responses to a thing we've been doing since BC times. Digressing, this is eye for an eye justice in my view of a perfect society would go unchallenged except from people like you, who some how think we have to be more humane and less barbaric than the people who wish to oppress us. To that I say, build the private prison you are so against, and lock them up until they have a change of heart since you sound sure that human beings who rape and murder are capable of such things. They'll be fit one day, but not for the next 20 years? Maybe how young their rape victim is, or how old their murder victim was when they were killed should be the perpetrators punishment for how many years they stay in your prison. You could ignore all of that but from someone who has been in these type of facilities I think you owe me the answer to the question of, do you think human beings are meant to live in cages? If they did such an inhuman act to deserve such a cage, why not just kill them? With our society how it is currently, I actually don't believe the death penalty does anything for social justice. Although in this other world, you would be trying to imprison the people I would be fine with sending to death. Can you tell me why it's okay to imprison pedos/rapists and murderers but not jaywalkers, weed smokers, and double dribblers? I think theres only a few things in this world derserved of death and in our world that's snitching no matter what for, and in this no-prison eye for eye world I've constructed, that has to include the things that you don't think are all that bad, or crimes worth imprisoning someone for. I say imprison them yourself in your basement to get you to think. Sure we have the structure to house these people, and keep them alive until they die; is that worse or better than just killing them outright? Of course there's always the hope of rehabilitation and what not but I'm trying to get you to imagine a world where the infrastructure wasn't built to house these criminals unless you were to do it yourself. Would you still be so eager to say these guys have a life worth saving? If they were living in your own basement? I just want to know on a deep level what your reasoning for thinking this way if you'd still house em' in your home and feed them your table scraps. I'm of the opinion it's probably more humane to kill them outright, because we as human beings feel the range of emotions and process intelectual reasonings which should be self evident in the fact that no human should be in a cage despite what they did.
 
Eh. I don't think it's that batshit. In a perfect world, in my perfect scenario, I live in a society where people commit fucked up crimes and my response to that is an eye for an eye. Which if you think about it, our whole American values system is built on 10 commandments, which was taken from an ancient Sumerian 3,400-5000 year old tablet which decreed the laws and punishments for a big walled town from that era.
So an eye for an eye and imprisoning someone are both responses to a thing we've been doing since BC times. Digressing, this is eye for an eye justice in my view of a perfect society would go unchallenged except from people like you, who some how think we have to be more humane and less barbaric than the people who wish to oppress us. To that I say, build the private prison you are so against, and lock them up until they have a change of heart since you sound sure that human beings who rape and murder are capable of such things. They'll be fit one day, but not for the next 20 years? Maybe how young their rape victim is, or how old their murder victim was when they were killed should be the perpetrators punishment for how many years they stay in your prison. You could ignore all of that but from someone who has been in these type of facilities I think you owe me the answer to the question of, do you think human beings are meant to live in cages? If they did such an inhuman act to deserve such a cage, why not just kill them? With our society how it is currently, I actually don't believe the death penalty does anything for social justice. Although in this other world, you would be trying to imprison the people I would be fine with sending to death. Can you tell me why it's okay to imprison pedos/rapists and murderers but not jaywalkers, weed smokers, and double dribblers? I think theres only a few things in this world derserved of death and in our world that's snitching no matter what for, and in this no-prison eye for eye world I've constructed, that has to include the things that you don't think are all that bad, or crimes worth imprisoning someone for. I say imprison them yourself in your basement to get you to think. Sure we have the structure to house these people, and keep them alive until they die; is that worse or better than just killing them outright? Of course there's always the hope of rehabilitation and what not but I'm trying to get you to imagine a world where the infrastructure wasn't built to house these criminals unless you were to do it yourself. Would you still be so eager to say these guys have a life worth saving? If they were living in your own basement? I just want to know on a deep level what your reasoning for thinking this way if you'd still house em' in your home and feed them your table scraps. I'm of the opinion it's probably more humane to kill them outright, because we as human beings feel the range of emotions and process intelectual reasonings which should be self evident in the fact that no human should be in a cage despite what they did.
If you just put to death everyone that committed a crime you'd be committing genocide, which sounds like you're a full throated proponent of. I'm not gonna explain why that's whack. Sorry I'm not that jaded.
 
Without straying too far from the issue, I'm not saying everyone that commits a crime should be executed, it is unfair to even say that I think this way or since I think that the very violent or unsociable crimes that merit 7-25+ years in prison should be replaced with death/eye for an eye is genocide. People like you are incapable of spacial reasoning beyond the material constructs you draw from, therefore you can say whatever you want about my thoughts on the issue it still remains your opinion. I can say I'd rather be fully for one thing than be split or indecisive, or hung up on the particulars especially on things as important as capital punishment.
I honestly don't mean any disrespect, and I don't say this cause you're a staff member. I say it because you and I are on opposite sides of the fence and we're to have intelligent debates where personal attacks are left out then it is good to respect each other's opinions no matter how wack they seem to you and I.
 
Without straying too far from the issue, I'm not saying everyone that commits a crime should be executed, it is unfair to even say that I think this way or since I think that the very violent or unsociable crimes that merit 7-25+ years in prison should be replaced with death/eye for an eye is genocide. People like you are incapable of spacial reasoning beyond the material constructs you draw from, therefore you can say whatever you want about my thoughts on the issue it still remains your opinion. I can say I'd rather be fully for one thing than be split or indecisive, or hung up on the particulars especially on things as important as capital punishment.
I honestly don't mean any disrespect, and I don't say this cause you're a staff member. I say it because you and I are on opposite sides of the fence and we're to have intelligent debates where personal attacks are left out then it is good to respect each other's opinions no matter how wack they seem to you and I.
That's fine, but yeah, you're talking about private vigilante imprisonment and putting people to death that commit "unsociable" crimes or whatever. That would be a genocide yeah. I'm perfectly capable of spatial reasoning, I had to come far out on the limb just to argue this point with you.
 
That's fine, but yeah, you're talking about private vigilante imprisonment and putting people to death that commit "unsociable" crimes or whatever. That would be a genocide yeah. I'm perfectly capable of spatial reasoning, I had to come far out on the limb just to argue this point with you.
Thanks man, no I'm really glad you see my point. It's very unfortunate I come across as a genocidal maniac because that is something I have to look at myself about. Really, genocide is an awful thing. If my theory is genocidal to you, well, it is what it is. I will give way to the fact that I would nuke North Korea if I had the button, and this idea of nuking whole countries has stayed with me since I was about 10 and the Iraq war was going on. One last point I want you to think about is why would anyone be protected once they go to prison? Wouldn't you want them to suffer in there as much as possible? Didn't you get a sadistic thrill when Jeffrey Damer was killed with dumbbells in prison? How about when a pedo gets poked🗡️, or a cop who used his power, badge, and authority to be judge, jury and executioner? Don't you think they're getting a little bit of what they deserve? I'm sure the family of victims are happy when the aggressor gets a little extra suffering while in prison. I don't speak for everyone, maybe people ascend past that and choose indifference about what happens to the one who took their loved one away from them; because of how they process this trauma or loss. In a very technical manner, I am happy when I hear about people like Chauvin getting stabbed behind the walls, I don't know why it makes me happy, but I guess for the same reasons it makes people happy that he was convicted on all charges. The facts remain, these things happen in the system we have for these convicted and damned criminals.
 
Yeah but under your plan do diaper fetishists get normal sentences?
Haha. Yeah they would receive the same treatment as anybody else under my plan as long as their fetish doesn't lead them to engage in any illegal or non consensual issue where people would have a problem with it. Last I checked(which I never bothered to really actually check) having a diaper fetish wasn't illegal.

How about people who get into a bad crash and at the hospital they get their blood drawn w/o their consent and THC is found? What do you think should happen to the folk? Well the system gives them 10 years of not being able to drive unless one wants to pay hundreds of dollars for an Alcohol breathalyzer in their car for six months, and personally bring the order for Interlock from the governor of that state to the DMV just to even get their license.

I think that's about the level of crazy surrounding your question regarding diaper fetishists getting normal sentences under my plan/regime/theory.
I really don't think anybody should be locked up for any reason. That's where my humanity ends. I think if the punishment fits the crime committed, then that's that. No prisons, no jails, just street justice.
 
Thanks man, no I'm really glad you see my point. It's very unfortunate I come across as a genocidal maniac because that is something I have to look at myself about. Really, genocide is an awful thing. If my theory is genocidal to you, well, it is what it is. I will give way to the fact that I would nuke North Korea if I had the button, and this idea of nuking whole countries has stayed with me since I was about 10 and the Iraq war was going on. One last point I want you to think about is why would anyone be protected once they go to prison? Wouldn't you want them to suffer in there as much as possible? Didn't you get a sadistic thrill when Jeffrey Damer was killed with dumbbells in prison? How about when a pedo gets poked🗡️, or a cop who used his power, badge, and authority to be judge, jury and executioner? Don't you think they're getting a little bit of what they deserve? I'm sure the family of victims are happy when the aggressor gets a little extra suffering while in prison. I don't speak for everyone, maybe people ascend past that and choose indifference about what happens to the one who took their loved one away from them; because of how they process this trauma or loss. In a very technical manner, I am happy when I hear about people like Chauvin getting stabbed behind the walls, I don't know why it makes me happy, but I guess for the same reasons it makes people happy that he was convicted on all charges. The facts remain, these things happen in the system we have for these convicted and damned criminals.
I understand that instinct, and maybe felt it in the past, but no I don't think that way anymore. It's just overkill. I cringe anytime I see a mob of weird online people calling for someone they've never met to be castrated or shanked or whatever. It's just gross to me idk. There's a lot of misapplied justice and wrongful convictions already that I don't believe mob justice is actually justice.
 
Dang well since this thread is about police brutality there's an abandoned taco shop right next to where I live and the police highjack the loadspeakers next door and basically yell at the homeless to move and that their trespassing and will be arrested but a couple times I have heard them include like a angry frothing dog growl sound at the end. This is I think overkill. Especially when they blare a type of alarm to deprive them from sleep, and it is right in between two hotels. I wanted to say something because on top of all this, when I was coming home tonight I heard a lady on the loudspeaker and I almost started recording because I been wanting to, but didn't, and then heard what I think was "you will be killed and your belongings destroyed". This is the first time I heard them threaten murder to the homless there. Maybe she was counting on nobody filming it, and she could be sadly right, but I looked around after I heard that and there were a few people outside the hotels kind of paused like I was, seeming to think "did I just hear what I thought I heard"?
 
So a gang of police officers just executed a guy in his home in front of his grandmother during a health emergency, for no good reason. I mean, they've been doing that for a while now, but this one seems like it might be harder for the thin blue line folks to excuse? I mean, they're still going to do it, they just might have to deploy more powerful mental gymnastics than usual


 
Lost balance and fell onto an officer? Sweet Jesus! That one hits home. I could imagine having a fainting episode, having a dizzy episode, and experiencing the same thing especially with my Menieres. Luckily I'm in Australia and they are less likely to do this, but still, the fact that it ever happens at all is really disgusting. I hope that they are stood down, and lose their jobs. LEOs should never act like that under those circumstances. It's not like he was rushing at them with a weapon or trying to fist fight them.
 
I think manslaughter is too light. They were aware he couldn't breathe and they know what could happen yet the continued for what, 15 minutes? Inexcusable
 
It is to light but for murder they would have to prove they meant to kill him. Best we could wish for is manslaughter but I doubt that would even happen
 
Well with the victim saying they couldn't breathe multiple times and the paramedics there knowing he was having medical issues I think its fairly clear that the officers should have known death would result, especially based on previous cases of the exact same scenario
 
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