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Heroin How to counteract the low drive and motivation caused by long-term opioid use?

Hexenstahl said:
Initially this was something I only experienced during withdrawal from Heroin. No motivation to do anything but the most basic things, no energy, etc.
The problem is that I recently started to get these symptoms in between my regular doses and not just during wd. In other words: I do some Heroin in the evening, feel completely fine, but the next morning until evening I have symptoms that strongly mimick depression. I used to read a lot, especially textbooks. I liked continuous studying and personal development, but since a while I can't get myself to do these things anymore. I read like a page or two and then feel mentally fatigued. I also eat less and my affect regulation has also worsened. I feel like I'm stuck and can't move on to do the things I once liked doing. I'd like to know if this is a natural consequence of long-term opioid use, or is something entirely else going on? If the former is the case, what do you guys do/take to feel motivated and energized again? I tried decreasing my dose and jumping off of Heroin for a while to find out if this is really caused by my opioid use, but after a couple of days of tapering I lose control and go back to my normal dose due to intense craving.
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Hexenstahl said:
No, I've actually written about how opioids make me sentimental (in a positive way), affectionate and romantic. They don't blunt my emotions at all. That's something benzos are notorious for and the reason I don't like them because I already perceive my feelings as if they are behind a thick fog, but opioids take that fog away. You know that feeling when you see the world through rose colored glasses while in love with someone? That's exactly how opioids feel like. You get instant access to that feeling with the push of a button.

If you scroll up you'll see that the issue was actually caused by low testosterone, which I solved with the application of ULDN. If you go read about the psychological symptoms of low testosterone levels you'll see how it pretty much mimics depression.
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Please consider that even with ULDN you might have just postponed feeling as you described some time in the future. Thank you for pioneering this and I really hope than in few years or decades you'll still think opiods + ULDN are a great medicine and not wish you have stopped them long ago.
 
SpiralusSancti said:
Please consider that even with ULDN you might have just postponed feeling as you described some time in the future. Thank you for pioneering this and I really hope than in few years or decades you'll still think opiods + ULDN are a great medicine and not wish you have stopped them long ago.
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I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. There is a whole body of scientific work including a textbook , contradicting what you think ULDN can't accomplish. These sceptical armchair theorists who haven't even tried it out but act like knowitalls really piss me off. But go ahead and believe whatever you want. Meanwhile I'm sitting here and benefit from this medicine.

Btw, ULDN has shown to be so consistently successful, that even a documentary was made about it. And we still have people like you out there who remain irrationally sceptical lol...
 
Hexenstahl said:
I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. There is a whole body of scientific work including a textbook , contradicting what you think ULDN can't accomplish. These sceptical armchair theorists who haven't even tried it out but act like knowitalls really piss me off. But go ahead and believe whatever you want. Meanwhile I'm sitting here and benefit from this medicine.

Btw, ULDN has shown to be so consistently successful, that even a documentary was made about it. And we still have people like you out there who remain irrationally sceptical lol...
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Boy you're not only one around here who tried ULDN but are most vocal about it cuz you got a lot more than most people. Messing with brain is a lot more complex than your current understanding of drugs is.
 
And maybe consider that promoting use of opiates as their harm is no more than that from sport is a really sad thing to do to fellow humans.
 
MDD and low T since age 14 along with natural hallucinations led me to maintenance cocaine and later opioid use. I typically would use behavioral benchmarks to figure out what kind of shape I was in, but through trial and error settled on modafinil, 5HTP, and L-theanine maintenance. That basically ensured I never saw negative effects on opes or stims for a good 8 years.

Motivation has gone down significantly over time, pulled blood work and did a bunch of reading - important to dig into physiology a bit more than sleep, food, and exercise. How are your kidneys doing type stuff.

For sleep, Depends on the ope, but if I cannot remember the last time I had a dream I know I am doing something wrong.

I've basically come to the conclusion that anything I take to "patch it together" is going to lose it's effectiveness over time and widen the scope of work needed to get to baseline. Frontloaded indulgence requires plenty of discipline and self denial on the backend to make up for. Hopeful for less damage in the delta when things shake out later, but not very. I crawl out of the motivation hole every time. Feels wrong all around too, which isn't good for self esteem.

It's part of our culture if you're American, but frontloading any reward probably isnt the best idea. In principle, Candy ruins your dinner.
 
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Hexenstahl said:
No, I've actually written about how opioids make me sentimental (in a positive way), affectionate and romantic. They don't blunt my emotions at all. That's something benzos are notorious for and the reason I don't like them because I already perceive my feelings as if they are behind a thick fog, but opioids take that fog away. You know that feeling when you see the world through rose colored glasses while in love with someone? That's exactly how opioids feel like. You get instant access to that feeling with the push of a button.

If you scroll up you'll see that the issue was actually caused by low testosterone, which I solved with the application of ULDN. If you go read about the psychological symptoms of low testosterone levels you'll see how it pretty much mimics depression.
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Thank you for that. I’m very glad you benefit in this way from opioids. Also, I know it wasn’t you who mentioned opioids causing emotional blunting, that was another user. furthermore, drugs affect everyone differently because of genetic and epigenetic factors ETC. I hope you continue to benefit from opioids, and I hope that in future neuroscience will allow tailor-made drugs that allows us to experience whatever mood/state of consciousness we wish without tolerance or dependence.
 
Here is something I found out to be true. If you take same dose of opiods, are in real physical pain, and don't cheat, my tolerance stayed the same
1st: I was in real physical pain
2nd: I am OCD, and will only take medication as directed and within specific time frames.
3rd bumps in dosage for me, over 7 or so years have been rare.
4th eventually time increase tolerance, even though I have been good and effectiveness goes down.
5th. Because of Biden and the Whore of Lansing( Thank you compassionate left wing storm troopers) I am now in more pain and every few months the laws on opiods seem to get worse. My tolerance increase means more pain.
6. Can't blame my doctor, he is much better than most, and a very nice guy who is very knowledgeable. Here in the states; people and doctors have the leftist federal government trying to tell them you don't need opiates. And they are working hard so that no legit painkillers go to people who need them.
7. Heroin is no longer an option( never messed with it) Just fent is available or counterfeit prescription pills: no way in hell, will I mess with that( I was a straight up drunk, no real interest in other drugs. Used perscription drugs only for pain and Benzos for a lot of reasons including sleep.( after I quit drinking)
8. The media here will help do PR work for leftist politicians.
9. The right and left don't seem to differ on this issue.
10. My personality has changed drastically. In the last sixth months I have grown tired, now in more pain, unable to eat normally, angry at everyone ( really sorry) and am becoming totally dysfunctional.
11. both sides of politics here are sort of in agreement. Yes you have, the legalize everything liberals, they don't have much say, and the conservatives seem to not care at all, one way or the other on this issue
12. Before he died William S Burroughs (gun enthusiast, writer, junkie, and more) was discussing gun control and mass shootings
His response, something to the effect of: Everytime some nut shoots a bunch of people, the governments answer is to take away the guns of everybody who had nothing to do with it.
That could be applied to this issue.
The ironically funny part is, that the liberals are the biggest pill grabbers. They are smuggling drugs over the boarder( the cartels). Liberal solution: open up boarder more, cut police and blame doctors.
13 they have no answers just blame doctors. Cause after all they, the left will always blame someone( usually the wrong group, and never held accountable). And innocent people suffer. Now, there is not anything to do, except suffer and know the Democrats will eventually make it much worse.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
yes hopefully we get right wingers back in power. They are well known for their anti drug war stance and anti prohibition and anti drug prosecution policies.

😂😂😂
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Look at what the liberals have done, they are the ones constantly causing problems. There are those on both sides who are pissed. Let's look at what they are doing to people with real physical pain. Making it impossible to get pain relief. I am sick of the left trying to equate those with medical issues with those that use drugs recreationally. Look at when the war on doctors. During the Obama administration it started. It stayed roughly the same under Thrump and is getting worse under Biden.
Trying to get high: and legitimately trying to fight pain and be able to eat are very different.
 
Jnowhere said:
What I meant was because people abuse perscription drugs, I pay the price. Oddly enough the current( leftist) regime is making getting pain relief harder and harder. That leftist Bitch in Lansing(capital of Michigan) keeps making it even worse. The liberals are why I suffer. Thank you Biden, now I have to piss in a cup and pay over $60 each month. They keep(FDA), un elected beauocrats, put pressure on doctors and so do many states. How are they corrupt? They are just power hungry. All this illegal fentanyl is also an easy way to blame everyone but themselves. 100,000 people died of fentanyl in the US last year some say less, but all these od's makes the country look bad. So they blame the doctors and I am screwed. The government doesn't want opiods. These idiots, almost all, know nothing and keep passing laws to make sure that doctors are their puppets. People in China sell chemicals to the Cartels; then make and easily smuggle fent in. The current leftist political climate, less and less perscription painkillers for people who really need them. That is how the Biden administration is handling opiods. You must suffer. All the while making it easier to smuggle illegal drugs from mexico, open up that boarder.
All that illegal fent, so the government blames doctors and I suffer.
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Just throwing this out there but liberals are absolutely not leftists. I don't think its fair to actual leftists who generally would not be making the medical system this difficult for patients. Liberals are basically just centrists, they're all capitalists not leftists
 
Jnowhere said:
Look at what the liberals have done, they are the ones constantly causing problems. There are those on both sides who are pissed. Let's look at what they are doing to people with real physical pain. Making it impossible to get pain relief. I am sick of the left trying to equate those with medical issues with those that use drugs recreationally. Look at when the war on doctors. During the Obama administration it started. It stayed roughly the same under Thrump and is getting worse under Biden.
Trying to get high: and legitimately trying to fight pain and be able to eat are very different.
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Liberals are definitely part of the war on pain patients and I’m a chronic pain patient and I blame them trust me.

But it is far worse in any red state.

Check out what the state medical board of CA did. They made guidelines that are very pro pain patient and very pro drug availability to pain patients. I encourage you to read this.


Other counties in CA also released a similar set of county specific guidelines that go even farther to protect rights to pain meds (Santa Clara county )

HEALTH UPDATE: Resource for patients seeking continued opioid or benzodiazepine therapy

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These guidlines include rules of never cutting patients off. If you receive new patients on opioids keep their same dose in tact at least intitially. Don’t cut them off for legal cannabis use. Benzos and opioids can be scripted together if warranted.

These guidelines acknowledge that cutting pain patients off is most likely to result in their death by suicide or illicit fentanyl use. They are telling doctors to keep patients on meds to protect them.


Show me one set of pro patient guidlines a red state has released. I’ll wait

They scheduled gabapentin to CII in Alabama for Christ sake. Give me a break. Missouri doesn’t allow scripts longer than 7 days.


Republicans proudly put “ban narcan" stickers on their cars and their states are becoming medical specialist deserts due to so much restrictions and prosecution.
 
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Liberalism is stepping stone to socialists and communism. It is amusing to watch socialists and commies fight. The left moved liberals to the center. They are not moderate. Besides it is the left leaning administration's that have gone after pain patients. There is a difference between someone with bad health and in pain: And someone just getting high. The only reason I got into drugs(legally) was because of physical pain.
The war on drugs and the war on people who have medical conditions that require narcotics are two different issues. The liberals don't care about those who suffer, they only want to give the impression they are doing something. They are, wasting money and causing me and so many other to suffer
 
Let me guess, you are some liberal with a good job and fucked with opiates for fun, and have no clue as to what it is like, to need legit pain relief(I suppose you equate heroin withdraw to people suffering a medical problem. But hey, California is making Detroit look not as bad everyday.
 
Jnowhere said:
Let me guess, you are some liberal with a good job and fucked with opiates for fun, and have no clue as to what it is like, to need legit pain relief(I suppose you equate heroin withdraw to people suffering a medical problem. But hey, California is making Detroit look not as bad everyday.
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Real quick I’ve had 3 spine surgeries and have an ulcerative disease which is an extremely painful incurable disease. But back to the topic at hand since you keep deflecting from my government agency sources that are pro pain patient. You refuse to acknowledge these government sources and provide red state counterparts/legislation to back your claims up


Look at these sources I’m linking that the state medical board of CA did they created guidlines that ensure access to pain drugs for pain patients. They made guidelines that include rules of never cutting patients off. If you receive new patients on opioids keep their same dose in tact at least intitially. Don’t cut them off for legal cannabis use. Benzos and opioids can be scripted together if warranted. Never cold turkey cut off a patient even for violations, taper them slowly.


Other counties in CA also released a similar set of county specific guidelines that go even farther to protect rights to pain meds (Santa Clara county )

HEALTH UPDATE: Resource for patients seeking continued opioid or benzodiazepine therapy

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Show me a single example of pro pain patient legislation or guidlines done by a red state or gov agency of a red state…we are all waiting.

You gotta come with proof and sources and facts not your arguments that are backed by no sources
 
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All I see is the whole country and Michigan being terrorized by beaurecrats(mis), and pain management being dictated by the FDA and Lansing.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Real quick I’ve had 3 spine surgeries and have interstitial cystitis which is an extremely painful incurable disease. But back to the topic at hand since you keep deflecting from my government agency sources that are pro pain patient. You refuse to acknowledge these government sources and provide red state counterparts/legislation to back your claims up


Look at these sources I’m linking that the state medical board of CA did they created guidlines that ensure access to pain drugs for pain patients. They made guidelines that include rules of never cutting patients off. If you receive new patients on opioids keep their same dose in tact at least intitially. Don’t cut them off for legal cannabis use. Benzos and opioids can be scripted together if warranted. Never cold turkey cut off a patient even for violations, taper them slowly.


My own county in CA also released a similar set of county specific guidelines that go even farther to protect rights to pain meds (Santa Clara county )

HEALTH UPDATE: Resource for patients seeking continued opioid or benzodiazepine therapy

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Show me a single example of pro pain patient legislation or guidlines done by a red state or gov agency of a red state…we are all waiting.

You gotta come with proof and sources and facts not your arguments that are backed by no sources
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Jnowhere said:
All I see is the whole country and Michigan being terrorized by beaurecrats(mis), and pain management being dictated by the FDA and Lansing.
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For the 3rd time. I offered evidence and links to government agencies (medical boards) emphasizing pain patients rights in the bluest state there is.

For the 3rd time you ignored that evidence and made counter claims without providing any evidence.
 
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I have better things to do, besides I have read the laws that affect me. Liberals blame everyone else and think a compromise is the other side giving in.
If seen some of your posts, so you saying you were not into recreational drugs before your 7 year affair with IV diluaded?
 
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