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nepalnt21 said:
please link to a pro-hamas march... i am not really convinced they exist.

if they do, it is almost certainly rare as fuck.
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Many of the pro palestine marches have someone flying a Hamas flag.

Funny that the good Pro Palestine people don't ask them to kindly fuck off with their terrorist flags to make everyone look like deplorable shitheads.
 
mal3volent said:
It's just difficult for me to entertain these hypotheticals with people who won't even concede that Hamas (a fucking terrorist group) uses human shields.

I mean it is a WELL DOCUMENTED strategy of Islamist terrorists for decades. Why would Hamas be immune from it? Because you want to paint Israel in the worst light possible.

If we could come to a common sense middle ground where we are talking from a reasonable place I'd be willing to talk about these what ifs and what I would do. But from where I'm sitting you guys sound like you're completely off the deep end. Not even willing to admit that a terrorist group does terrorist things.
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I am trying to find middle ground with you, and everyone & anyone; chill man. Have I angered you?

Not even willing to admit that a terrorist group does terrorist things.
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I never ever said or even implied that.

But from where I'm sitting you guys sound like you're completely off the deep end.
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Oh, thanks. Care to elaborate? I'd say I'm pretty grounded and balanced; always willing to be proven wrong.

If we could come to a common sense middle ground where we are talking from a reasonable place I'd be willing to talk about these what ifs and what I would do.
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Well can you not just get me the link, instead of saying:

they were posted in this thread not that long ago.
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When I kindly asked if you could post the link so I can re-calibrate my views regarding said evidence that I am yet to see.

Also, the well documented human shields - links? Please.

Anyway, off for said joint/hash now. Hopefully will have something to digest when I get back rather than incredibly odd accusations and attacks... can we at least do that, again, please; find that middle ground you're keen to gain?

Peace.
 
-=SS=- said:
Islam deserves a lot of criticism.
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just like any religion. but it isn't the whole religion itself, but aspects.

many muslims do very well integrating into western society, like in the u.s...

this is also about an ethnic group having war crimes done against them, not sure why their religion keeps coming up.

would it make a difference if they were a different religion?



assclass said:
Funny that the good Pro Palestine people don't ask them to kindly fuck off with their terrorist flags to make everyone look like deplorable shitheads.
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they probably don't even know what it is. how many ppl know what the fucking hamas flag looks like? the only reason i know what it looks like is because i looked it up a couple weeks ago to make sure nobody could accuse me of wearing hamas colors.

apparently it's tough to not wear white and green together...

(edit - also, i can't find any instances of that... either they've been scrubbed or my keywords suck... can you link me to where the hamas flag was flown in the last month in the western world? edit - ok, found one in toronto - edit- wait, that was in 2021... bet they weren't wearing their masks right, the fucks)

anyway, they aren't pro hamas rallies and you and mal3v know it. it's just a bad faith, lazy way of trying to damn all of the anti israeli-war-crimes crowd at once.

those kinds of dishonest pigonhole tactics remind me of that idiot in congress (idiot asshole shitbag) that said all palestinians (even the ones in the west bank, even the babies apparently) were basically nazis. what a dipshit.
 
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btw
At Bibi Netanyahu's dinner table in Jerusalem, I listened with crawling dismay to Bibi talking about the future of his country. 'In the next war, if we do it right, we'll have a chance to get all the Arabs out,' he said. "We can clear the West Bank, sort out Jerusalem.' He joked about the Golani Brigade, the Israeli infantry force in which so many men were North African or Yemenite Jews. "They're okay as long as they're led by white officers."
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from max hastings' biography of netanyahu

it comes as no surprise that bb's son is a right wingnut bad faith moron as well.

"the kibbutz communities are naziism" basically because socialism, to paraphrase.

even though the nazis were no more socialist than the north koreans are democratic.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Do you condemn Israel?
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I'll answer this. No, I don't. Israel have the right to respond to threats and actions of genocidal fanatics. They have the right to do what is necessary to disable their enemy and prevent more innocent Jews being massacred.

I absolutely hope they do this with as little harm to innocent Palestinians as is possible. I'm increasingly worried by the purported high civilian casualties and certainly wonder if this military strategy is the best option. But I don't condemn Israel for responding to the barbarism they are responding to. I condemn Hamas for being cowardly fanatics who massacre innocents and hide among civilians. And condemn the puerile western leftists who justify their brutality as antizionism, anticolonialism, freedom fighting. People doing that have fallen for the propaganda of Hamas and Iran hook, line and sinker.
 
nepalnt21 said:
yes, we agree... when are they gonna start doing that?

so far they've ONLY made israel more unsafe. and they know it.
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In your opinion, what should the response have been?

I find this consistent admission interesting. You know how nihilistic and cynical the culture of Palestinians is, or you wouldn't see their response as inevitably being more bloodshed against Israelis.

Every surrounding Arabic nation has gone to war with Israel in the past, and most of them have given up on this. In turn, Israel doesnt attack them. If it's possible for them, it's possible for Palestinians, right? The fact is that if they stop rocket attacks and indiscriminate murder, Israel are going to stop bombing them as has happened in all the other nations they've had historic war with.

You keep admitting in a roundabout way to the essential rot at the heart of Palestinian culture. I get their anger, I know what Israel did and do. But the Palestinian response is not working. We both agree that Israel's retaliation is probably going to spawn more terrorists, but differ in that you think this speaks to Israel's flawed strategy, while I think it is an honest condemnation of a culture devoted solely to unwinnable war against an unbeatable enemy.

Think of what a beautiful place could have been made of coastal Gaza, on the shores of the Mediterranean and look at the sprawling slum they made instead. What a waste. What poor leaders they've had.

Its dehumanising to not believe they can do better. But with radical Islam guiding your choices, this is highly improbable and so Israel can only really remove the rot as it becomes visible without any chance to truly eradicate that growing deeply within.
 
mal3volent said:
I've never seen anyone yap so much about a topic they know absolutely nothing about. Who quotes posts they didn't even read then make false accusations.

Are you trolling? Be honest.
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Nope just doing too many things at once

Just because I condemn Hamas doesn't mean I need to believe every single piece of bs Israel makes up about them. Targeting civilians is bad enough, but that's exactly what Israel is doing. At least Hamas is honest about it. When it comes to Israel "defending" itself, they definitely have not been on defense for the past century, they've been on offence continuously taking land and killing civilians. Hamas being pieces of shit gives them the perfect cover to kill more civilians and take more land
 
swilow said:
In your opinion, what should the response have been?
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go to qatar and get hamas.

pay qatari some of them nice dirty u.s. dollars, go in there and get the higher ups.

take some special ops dudes into the HEAVILY surveilled gaza and get the lower level hamas dudes.

(use iron dome the whole time to block bombs/ missiles from coming in)

(also, i never would have let the idf soldiers go and babysit zionist settler terrorists in the west bank)

give humanitarian aid, help the gaza strip to build a democratic government, shake some hands, bob's your uncle...

i dunno if it's a perfect plan, but i sure as hell wouldn't do war crimes. i sure as hell wouldn't do war crimes.

i sure as hell wouldn't do war crimes (i guess the israeli regime and i see things differently)
 
What are those idiots doing lobbing 80's technology against a Nation that is armed to the teeth? Didn't this start because some people had to move? I mean they went from one desert to another desert, it isn't exactly great plots of land.
 
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nepalnt21 said:
give humanitarian aid, help the gaza strip to build a democratic government, shake some hands, bob's your uncle...
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I actually like your ideas as they are grounded in compassion, but they're also painfully naive and wildly unreasonable. You think Israel should give aid to people who set families on fire and vow over and over to destroy the entire Jewish people? All the good things can happen, but first Hamas and the Palestinians need to stop attacking Israel. That is the only way this stops. Until it does, more and more Palestinians will die.
 
nepalnt21 said:
just like any religion. but it isn't the whole religion itself, but aspects.

many muslims do very well integrating into western society, like in the u.s...

this is also about an ethnic group having war crimes done against them, not sure why their religion keeps coming up.

would it make a difference if they were a different religion?




they probably don't even know what it is. how many ppl know what the fucking hamas flag looks like? the only reason i know what it looks like is because i looked it up a couple weeks ago to make sure nobody could accuse me of wearing hamas colors.

apparently it's tough to not wear white and green together...

(edit - also, i can't find any instances of that... either they've been scrubbed or my keywords suck... can you link me to where the hamas flag was flown in the last month in the western world? edit - ok, found one in toronto - edit- wait, that was in 2021... bet they weren't wearing their masks right, the fucks)

anyway, they aren't pro hamas rallies and you and mal3v know it. it's just a bad faith, lazy way of trying to damn all of the anti israeli-war-crimes crowd at once.

those kinds of dishonest pigonhole tactics remind me of that idiot in congress (idiot asshole shitbag) that said all palestinians (even the ones in the west bank, even the babies apparently) were basically nazis. what a dipshit.
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What if he were to say they're all basically muslims, even the babies. ?
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Its funny how you think a small terrorist group is doing genocide, defined as "systematic and widespread extermination" 🤔
It is neither systematic nor widespread
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Nazi party membership maxed out at around 10% of the German people. It only takes a few people.

Funny how you think a small military in a small country is doing genocide.
 
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