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It's weird. People conflating Palestinians in general with Hamas and also Jewish people with the state of Israel

It seems to me that the people who aren't doing the conflating are able to understand that Israel is a state oppressing Palestinians

Yes it's very, very bizarre and sad. It's just so obviously illogical. A lot of Israelis, and a lot of Palestinians, are good people and not representative on their state in mostly any way shape or form other than being inescapably stuck inside it.

I know I bang on about psychedelic trance a lot, but when this all kicked off I saw a video about an attack on an Israeli rave and just casually thought "oh it's probably a psy trance rave", and clicked the video and was suddenly greeted to what was, yes, was a psy trance party; and a fucking massacre, with a girl being abducted on a bike screaming one last help towards her clearly almost as completely defeated as humanely possible boyfriend, who was being frogmarched and knowing he was completely unable to do anything. That really mentally scarred me for a few days, especially knowing they were probably tripping on psychedelics; and my point being re a psy trance rave, that if there were a group of people who would probably be completely in support of your average Palestinian human having the same rights as any of us do, it would be the very same people that were experiencing and involving themselves in a bit of psychedelic peace & love utopia at that party.

And obviously, I've made my thoughts clear that also, I think it goes without saying that equating Palestinians as non human I think was the term, or animals, which was definitely the term, or supporters of those Palestinian definitely humans as pro hamas, even though the vast majority de facto despise the corrupt military complex, and our corrupt states, deep states, etc etc, is genuinely sick, illogical, corrupt, deplorable, highly manipulative and I could go on. Not to mention leveling the fucking place, striking refugee camps, hospitals etc, children, their mothers and fathers, which I said from the start was the end goal (and has now been confirmed).

I did see a Channel 4 report showing the map of that rave and it's close proximity to Gaza, and they said how they'd have been able to hear the music from Gaza. And man, as much as it broke my heart to see, I can only imagine how cheesed the people of Gaza were to hear frequent raves with the never ending one psy trance bassline, it gets on 90% of peoples tits at the best of times. Given how small Gaza is too, it's probably been fucking them off for years. =D

Oh and I saw a report from her mother, that the girl is actually in a Gaza hospital with a serious head injury, I'm sure she indicated she's on life support. :(

Anybody have any idea what happened there? Please tell me she wasn't shelled by the Israeli offensive. Will have to look into it.

They all need a strong dose of MDMA in my humble opinion. But even then, I have little faith that small area will ever know peace until one tribe moves or is eliminated.

Was meant to reply to this last week, so this post seems like an apt place to do so - absolutely 100% agree with you on that. It's an age old MDMA adage when you're on it, but it's so fucking true.

Reminds me of the Hoffman post that used to be in somebodies signature on here:

"I believe that if people would learn to use LSD's vision-inducing capability more wisely, under suitable conditions, in medical practice and in conjunction with meditation, then in the future this problem child could become a wonderchild"

Although I seem to remember it being about wonder children, but whatever.
 
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Not to mention leveling the fucking place, striking refugee camps, hospitals etc, children, their mothers and fathers, which I said from the start was the end goal (and has now been confirmed).

Sad that Hamas builds bases under hospitals and stores weapons in refugee camps. Uses ambulances for their own selfish purposes. Shoots guns out of hospital windows and residential buildings.
 
Sad that Hamas builds bases under hospitals and stores weapons in refugee camps. Uses ambulances for their own selfish purposes. Shoots guns out of hospital windows and residential buildings.

Is there actually any evidence for this? I haven't seen any.

Let me ask you a question, and I'm not trying to play a loaded question or be facetious: You also think it's sad that injured people in hospitals have been bombed, to (supposedly), counter that, right? I'm going to assume yes, I know you do.

So would you give the order to strike airstrike a hospital or refugee strike in that situation, assuming of course you had solid intel that that was the case?
 
Of course, do you condemn Israel?

Ok if you condemn Hamas...
it is public knowledge they operate through a vast network of underground tunnels
it is public knowledge real estate is very limited in Gaza

If you condemn them, why wouldn't you believe video evidence I showed you of shots coming out of that hospital? There are also pictures of sniper holes in residential buildings. Why would you make up silly stories about water tanks ? It makes perfect sense for terrorists to build bases in areas they believe are safest from enemy attack. There are first hand accounts of journalists who have been embedded there who describe "the open secret" of the tunnels and military bases. That even the children know where they are.
 
Ok if you condemn Hamas...
it is public knowledge they operate through a vast network of underground tunnels
it is public knowledge real estate is very limited in Gaza

If you condemn them, why wouldn't you believe video evidence I showed you of shots coming out of that hospital? There are also pictures of sniper holes in residential buildings. Why would you make up silly stories about water tanks ? It makes perfect sense for terrorists to build bases in areas they believe are safest from enemy attack. There are first hand accounts of journalists who have been embedded there who describe "the open secret" of the tunnels and military bases. That even the children know where they are.

I'm off out for a spliff and some ket, but can you drop the link of the shots video please? Have heard a lot of talk but no evidence as of yet, interested to see. Chow!
 
Is there actually any evidence for this? I haven't seen any.

Let me ask you a question, and I'm not trying to play a loaded question or be facetious: You also think it's sad that injured people in hospitals have been bombed, to (supposedly), counter that, right? I'm going to assume yes, I know you do.

So would you give the order to strike airstrike a hospital or refugee strike in that situation, assuming of course you had solid intel that that was the case?

It's just difficult for me to entertain these hypotheticals with people who won't even concede that Hamas (a fucking terrorist group) uses human shields.

I mean it is a WELL DOCUMENTED strategy of Islamist terrorists for decades. Why would Hamas be immune from it? Because you want to paint Israel in the worst light possible.

If we could come to a common sense middle ground where we are talking from a reasonable place I'd be willing to talk about these what ifs and what I would do. But from where I'm sitting you guys sound like you're completely off the deep end. Not even willing to admit that a terrorist group does terrorist things.
 
I'm off out for a spliff and some ket, but can you drop the link of the shots video please? Have heard a lot of talk but no evidence as of yet, interested to see. Chow!

they were posted in this thread not that long ago.
 
Ok if you condemn Hamas...
it is public knowledge they operate through a vast network of underground tunnels
it is public knowledge real estate is very limited in Gaza

If you condemn them, why wouldn't you believe video evidence I showed you of shots coming out of that hospital? There are also pictures of sniper holes in residential buildings. Why would you make up silly stories about water tanks ? It makes perfect sense for terrorists to build bases in areas they believe are safest from enemy attack. There are first hand accounts of journalists who have been embedded there who describe "the open secret" of the tunnels and military bases. That even the children know where they are.
Still wondering if you condemn Israel
 
Still wondering if you condemn Israel

My asking if you condemn Hamas was leading to another post which you haven't addressed , and won't.

But the answer to your question should be obvious: no, of course I do not condemn Israel.

Israel is not perfect, and I disagree with lots of things they do, but I do not condemn them because they are fighting for a better world. War is not pretty, and Hamas has put them into a terrible predicament. But they are taking steps to warn civilians and provide passageways to safety.

Why isn't the world uniting against Hamas and demanding the hostages be released? That would be the quickest way to end this. Or at least have a cease fire. Because the leadership of the UN is comprised of anti-Israel dipshits, that's why.
 
even the saudis are sick of the palestines and hamas. MBS still wants to normalize relationships with israel.

MBS has been on a crusade trying to stop all the terrorists and wabbis from fucking up the middle east any further and the salafists.
 
My asking if you condemn Hamas was leading to another post which you haven't addressed , and won't.

But the answer to your question should be obvious: no, of course I do not condemn Israel.

Israel is not perfect, and I disagree with lots of things they do, but I do not condemn them because they are fighting for a better world. War is not pretty, and Hamas has put them into a terrible predicament. But they are taking steps to warn civilians and provide passageways to safety.

Why isn't the world uniting against Hamas and demanding the hostages be released? That would be the quickest way to end this. Or at least have a cease fire. Because the leadership of the UN is comprised of anti-Israel dipshits, that's why.
I'll answer once you answer my question about condemning Israel. Unless you want to pay me to just answer all your questions and ask none, this is a two way street. Do you condemn Israel?
 
You're right because I assumed you weren't going to answer, nobody seems to answer that question. But its been obvious that you think Israeli lives are worth more than Plaestinians
 
it seems you have a psychological aversion to good- faith arguments.

1) this is ISRAEL, not JEWISH PPL IN GENERAL (ie "not in our name", jewish protesters against the war crimes done by israel)

2) are you an expert on genocide? cause experts on genocide are concerned that these war crimes by israel are the makings of genocide.
1. Actually it's spreading globally with violence targeted at Jews in Canada and the USA.

2. Yes, I went to school for it and everything. I am a certified Genocide Planning and Execution Specialist from the UN.
 
You're right because I assumed you weren't going to answer, nobody seems to answer that question. But its been obvious that you think Israeli lives are worth more than Plaestinians

I've never seen anyone yap so much about a topic they know absolutely nothing about. Who quotes posts they didn't even read then make false accusations.

Are you trolling? Be honest.
 
I don't think any system that wields power/has a large following should be above criticism or condemnation. The moment you put things behind closed doors and can't shine light on them is the moment things start to fester. Islam deserves a lot of criticism.
If you are going to accuse an entire faith you should bring more facts and sources that just your say so. Religions have these magic books that believers read, so if you want to make a good argument that the entire religion is bunk, use their magic book against them to make a convincing argument. Just saying so, in the religious context, is easy to dismiss as prejudice.
 
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