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someguyontheinternet said:
What in the world does healthcare administration have to do with scientific research
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the public doesn't usually interact with researchers. we interact with practicing doctors that use research to inform how they will treat us, and healthcare administration is forcing doctors to conform to universal treatment protocols that may not be appropriate for their patients.

so it's quite noticeable that healthcare administration is interfering with your healthcare when your doctor tells you "sorry, i don't really believe this is best for you, but we have to do it or i could lose my license".

someguyontheinternet said:
And Jordan Peterson? Lol what
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it's an example of western lysenkoism. whether you agree with peterson or not, there's less pushback on ideas that may be wrong when institutional powers are being abused to muzzle him.

it's much easier to build consensus and pretend that it's the absolute truth when you can just silence dissenting views.

someguyontheinternet said:
The majority of basic science research is done using government grants at public institutions. It has been and I bet it will be for a long time, private companies almost never do basic science research. I'm not arguing that drug companies don't do shitty things, they do, but that is an absolute minority when it comes to research
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there have been plenty of criticisms about publish or perish culture in academia and the replication crisis tainting research papers.

i posted earlier (not sure when) an article talking about how much healthcare education was being funded by pharmaceutical companies just in canada and basically it's a huge moral hazard now.

there's a lot of money on the line with pharmaceutical products and maaaaayyybe just maybe researchers will avoid exposing a product they know is bad when they know that they depend on the industry cartel for their livelihood and ability to continue doing research.

so yeah, maybe people don't set out to act unethically but lying by omission is far too common these days and i think that qualifies as unethical when you turn a blind eye to something that the public will be exposed to and it ends up ruining lives.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Not sure why you think he supports depopulation when he funds things like eliminating malaria?

As far as I'm aware they don't make money on vaccines so again, not sure where your info is coming from

Computer programmers can care about health and in this case his position is similar to the politicians who parrot things by the CDC or some advisory board
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He's on video having said the population needs to come down to bring down our carbon emissions lol



Full video here. He says it at 4.32



16-1 profit it says here

www.ivi.int

‘Vaccine investment brings 16-fold return… ; partnering with Bill Gates’

‘Vaccine investment brings 16-fold return… ; partnering with Bill Gates’ Jerome Kim, Director General, International Vaccine Institute Marking 20th anniversary of endeavors for development and delivery of vaccines such as cholera vaccine By Kim Sung-mo The Chosun Ilbo, October 10, 2017...
www.ivi.int www.ivi.int

I struggle to see we should be trusting our health with someone who used to make the computer virus then sell the anti virus. What if the same is happening here? The dude also flew 30 something times on Epstein's private jet. Seems quite naive to think he has our best interests at heart.

Also why are we taking advice how to get carbon emissions down to zero from someone who owns 4 private jets? 😂
 
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He's right about population, the earth doesn't have enough resources to sustain unlimited growth. That doesn't mean he's actively trying to depopulate through vaccines, that's an absurd conclusion
thujone said:
the public doesn't usually interact with researchers. we interact with practicing doctors that use research to inform how they will treat us, and healthcare administration is forcing doctors to conform to universal treatment protocols that may not be appropriate for their patients.

so it's quite noticeable that healthcare administration is interfering with your healthcare when your doctor tells you "sorry, i don't really believe this is best for you, but we have to do it or i could lose my license".



it's an example of western lysenkoism. whether you agree with peterson or not, there's less pushback on ideas that may be wrong when institutional powers are being abused to muzzle him.

it's much easier to build consensus and pretend that it's the absolute truth when you can just silence dissenting views.



there have been plenty of criticisms about publish or perish culture in academia and the replication crisis tainting research papers.

i posted earlier (not sure when) an article talking about how much healthcare education was being funded by pharmaceutical companies just in canada and basically it's a huge moral hazard now.

there's a lot of money on the line with pharmaceutical products and maaaaayyybe just maybe researchers will avoid exposing a product they know is bad when they know that they depend on the industry cartel for their livelihood and ability to continue doing research.

so yeah, maybe people don't set out to act unethically but lying by omission is far too common these days and i think that qualifies as unethical when you turn a blind eye to something that the public will be exposed to and it ends up ruining lives.
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From my experience medical doctors don't actually understand research and neither do health administrators.

Which healthcare education is funded by drug companies? In the US medical students pay like 50k/semester
 
I never said he was trying to depopulate through vaccines. I said he only cared about profit to which you claimed he didn't make any.

My point once again.. Why would you take healthcare advice from a computer programmer who believes in depopulation?

And why was he allowed so much air time on the subject of covid, if it wasn't for the money?
 
“Investment in vaccines can bring a 16-fold return, and $1 investment can result in $16 in saving through disease prevention (estimate by Johns Hopkins University research team).”

That's the first sentence of the article, it isn't saying that the Gates foundation is making any profit

I think anyone with a half functioning brain should be able to realize that infinite growth without external input is impossible
 
someguyontheinternet said:
“Investment in vaccines can bring a 16-fold return, and $1 investment can result in $16 in saving through disease prevention (estimate by Johns Hopkins University research team).”

That's the first sentence of the article, it isn't saying that the Gates foundation is making any profit

I think anyone with a half functioning brain should be able to realize that infinite growth without external input is impossible
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I think anyone with a half functioning brain would question taking healthcare advice from a billionaire with a depopulation agenda.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
It is hard to believe, do you understand the sheer number of people that would need to be in on it AND not say a word? That's the impossibility
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
 
someguyontheinternet said:
What in the world does healthcare administration have to do with scientific research

And Jordan Peterson? Lol what

The majority of basic science research is done using government grants at public institutions. It has been and I bet it will be for a long time, private companies almost never do basic science research. I'm not arguing that drug companies don't do shitty things, they do, but that is an absolute minority when it comes to research
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Emphasis mine. It seems obvious that the grants would go to the scientists with a history of publishing work that backs said governments agendas....
 
These data demonstrate the presence of billions to hundreds of billions of DNA
molecules per dose in the modRNA COVID-19 products tested.
Using fluorometry, all products tested exceeded the guidelines for residual DNA set by the FDA
and WHO of 10 ng/dose by 188 – 509-fold.
However, qPCR detected residual DNA content in all products tested were below these guidelines emphasizing the importance of methodological clarity and consistency when interpreting quantitative guidelines.
The Cq scores for the most recent XBB.1.5 Moderna vaccine suggest that DNA residues have not been reduced from previous vaccine versions.

The preliminary evidence of a dose-response effect of residual DNA measured with qPCR and SAEs warrants confirmation and further investigation.
Our findings extend existing concerns about vaccine safety and call into question the relevance of guidelines conceived before the introduction of efficient transfection using LNPs.
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With several obvious limitations, we urge that our work is replicated under forensic conditions and that guidelines be revised to account for highly efficient DNA transfection and cumulative dosing.

This work highlights the need for regulators and industry to adhere to the precautionary principle, and provide sufficient and transparent evidence that products are safe and effective and disclose the details of their composition and method of manufacture
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DNA fragments detected in monovalent and bivalent Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna modRNA COVID-19 vaccines from Ontario, Canada: Exploratory dose response relationship with serious adverse events

OSF

osf.io
 
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Um... no

DNA ( and it''s simple relative RNA) is neither good nor bad, however at the moment even the most advanced researchers don't understand what the mapped genomes do or how they correlate. We only understand their mechanism in vitro

Perhaps someday we will.

Until that day making conclusions about their functions and outcomes as manifested in vivo in are speculative at best.
 
We definitely know that RNA makes proteins? It can also function as enzymes because depending on the primary structure, just like proteins, RNA is able to fold up and create active sites that can participate in catalysis. I'm still not sure how that addresses the issue of DNA being in the vaccines though
 
someguyontheinternet said:
We definitely know that RNA makes proteins? It can also function as enzymes because depending on the primary structure, just like proteins, RNA is able to fold up and create active sites that can participate in catalysis. I'm still not sure how that addresses the issue of DNA being in the vaccines though
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RNA is actually the same mechanism as DNA, but without a "spell checker" to prevent mistakes when self duplicating.
DNA and RNA are mechanism of encoding the duplication of any substance in living organisms. They are not restricted to proteins. Some organisms use RNA and some use DNA. They function identically. Beans for example use RNA, Humans use DNA however they function the same way in terms of reproduction.
 
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someguyontheinternet said:
I feel like none of this has answered my question
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Then maybe go out and spend some time on RNA, DNA and genetics. Not news releases or opinion pieces but biology books, etc. Then re-watch the VID I posted. The unbending model of genetics that schools teach (even 1st year med school) is overly simplified and puts too much emphasis on absolute outcomes using the current definitions of sequences, locations and functions. It's still a new field and there is much much to learn before reliable maps and functions are known and proven.

So they are real, but not understood.
 
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