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The Dive's Covid Thread

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someguyontheinternet said:
There is definitely funding bias, its common in research on drugs of abuse. When it comes to "toeing the company line" that's only in the private sector, most research is done at public institutions
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Yes, toe the line, and who are the peers that review those published studies and make sure they gets into wide circulation?
 
JahBeeuS said:
Yes, toe the line, and who are the peers that review those published studies and make sure they gets into wide circulation?
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The peers are other scientists who have published in the field and in review it is important to remain objective. This isn't a failsafe system but it generally works over all, scientists do tell publishers when they think they can't be objective and reasoning for rejection and edits are all meticulously laid out. This allows the editor to also check reasoning for bias or prejudice. Its a layered system which checks at several points to try and eliminate bias and ensure objectivity
 
Someone in the comments asked her that. I gotta log in and go through her feed again, there's gotta be a lot more funny stuff
 
Las Veghost grower said:
At this point in time, after the whole COVID thing, I would say peer reviewed means about as much as a shit sandwich
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it's just whatever you decide to want to believe

i guess it's hard for some ppl to believe that science, pharma companies, and the government would collude and lie to the public
 
someguyontheinternet said:
The peers are other scientists who have published in the field and in review it is important to remain objective. This isn't a failsafe system but it generally works over all, scientists do tell publishers when they think they can't be objective and reasoning for rejection and edits are all meticulously laid out. This allows the editor to also check reasoning for bias or prejudice. Its a layered system which checks at several points to try and eliminate bias and ensure objectivity
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BIll Gates donated money to most of them. That alone makes it very unlikely they remain objective imo.

Whether you believe the vaccine works or not. I don't think it's really possible at this stage to deny there was massive corruption at play with the 'science' surrounding covid.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
it's just whatever you decide to want to believe

i guess it's hard for some ppl to believe that science, pharma companies, and the government would collude and lie to the public
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It is hard to believe, do you understand the sheer number of people that would need to be in on it AND not say a word? That's the impossibility
 
elgoucho9 said:
BIll Gates donated money to most of them. That alone makes it very unlikely they remain objective imo.

Whether you believe the vaccine works or not. I don't think it's really possible at this stage to deny there was massive corruption at play with the 'science' surrounding covid.
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You laugh at this but here's an example of the science being bought by vaccine companies.

health.wusf.usf.edu

Rather Than Give Away Its COVID Vaccine, Oxford Makes Deal With Drugmaker

In a business driven by profit, vaccines have a problem. They’re not very profitable — at least not without government subsidies. Pharma companies favor…
health.wusf.usf.edu


www.ox.ac.uk

Oxford University breakthrough on global COVID-19 vaccine | University of Oxford

Oxford announces interim trial data from its Phase III trials that show its candidate coronavirus vaccine is effective at preventing COVID-19 and offers a high level of protection.
www.ox.ac.uk www.ox.ac.uk


So the same people telling you it's '90% effective', also make the vaccine. That sounds totally legitimate, right? I mean it's not like they had a vested interest or anything...
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Individual scientists can be bought sure, but it is next to impossible to undermine the entire scientific system
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the entire scientific system has long been undermined by for-profit orgs funding research that is hard to replicate and/or paying off enough scientists to make their research qualify as peer reviewed.

and just look at the outsized impact healthcare administration has on front-line care. these are political organizations run by non-practicing, ladder-climbing doctors in name only that force dogmatic decrees and have been censuring practicing doctors that spoke out against vaccine mandates.

and science is regularly corrupted simply by peer pressure to conform - such was the case of lysenkoism, which set soviet science back, and we have increasingly more lysenkoism in the west where shit like this happens -

An Ontario court ruled against psychologist and media personality Jordan Peterson Wednesday, and upheld a regulatory body's order that he take social media training in the wake of complaints about his controversial online posts and statements.
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thujone said:
the entire scientific system has long been undermined by for-profit orgs funding research that is hard to replicate and/or paying off enough scientists to make their research qualify as peer reviewed.

and just look at the outsized impact healthcare administration has on front-line care. these are political organizations run by non-practicing, ladder-climbing doctors in name only that force dogmatic decrees and have been censuring practicing doctors that spoke out against vaccine mandates.

and science is regularly corrupted simply by peer pressure to conform - such was the case of lysenkoism, which set soviet science back, and we have increasingly more lysenkoism in the west where shit like this happens -



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What in the world does healthcare administration have to do with scientific research

And Jordan Peterson? Lol what

The majority of basic science research is done using government grants at public institutions. It has been and I bet it will be for a long time, private companies almost never do basic science research. I'm not arguing that drug companies don't do shitty things, they do, but that is an absolute minority when it comes to research
 
someguyontheinternet said:
What in the world does healthcare administration have to do with scientific research

And Jordan Peterson? Lol what

The majority of basic science research is done using government grants at public institutions. It has been and I bet it will be for a long time, private companies almost never do basic science research. I'm not arguing that drug companies don't do shitty things, they do, but that is an absolute minority when it comes to research
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It was the WHO who set the tone for governments worldwide.

Which the WHO also took funding from the Gates foundation. The corruption comes from the top down on this one.
 
Getting a donation from somewhere doesn't equate to automatic, instantaneous, and entirely permeating bias

The Gates foundation gives vaccine funding a priority compared to other causes so I don't even know what you think might be going on there
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Getting a donation from somewhere doesn't equate to automatic, instantaneous, and entirely permeating bias

The Gates foundation gives vaccine funding a priority compared to other causes so I don't even know what you think might be going on there
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Look at how much influence and talk time Gates himself was given with covid. Did you never question why a computer programmer was giving health advice?

He's literally been sued and banned from countries for previous vaccine initiaves they've done.

He's also tied to Ecohealth alliance, who gave funding to Wuhan to investigate bat coronaviruses in humans. Gain of function research.

The guy is a high level criminal. How you trust health advice from someone who supports depopulation? It would seem to me his only concern with vaccines is how profitable they are for him. Which he is quoted saying '20x investment'. I'd probably think you all need 5 boosters myself if i had millions tied up and those were the returns.
 
elgoucho9 said:
Look at how much influence and talk time Gates himself was given with covid. Did you never question why a computer programmer was giving health advice?

He's literally been sued and banned from countries for previous vaccine initiaves they've done.

He's also tied to Ecohealth alliance, who gave funding to Wuhan to investigate bat coronaviruses in humans. Gain of function research.

The guy is a high level criminal. How you trust health advice from someone who supports depopulation? It would seem to me his only concern with vaccines is how profitable they are for him. Which he is quoted saying '20x investment'. I'd probably think you all need 5 boosters myself if i had millions tied up and those were the returns.
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Not sure why you think he supports depopulation when he funds things like eliminating malaria?

As far as I'm aware they don't make money on vaccines so again, not sure where your info is coming from

Computer programmers can care about health and in this case his position is similar to the politicians who parrot things by the CDC or some advisory board
 
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