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arrall said:
So let's say that the 10,051 death count of today might only actually be 9700 by the UN's methodology, and maybe instead of 4104 children it is only 3900.
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You're missing the part where they count dead Hamas terrorists as civilians. So you see, even if the numbers are in the same ballpark they aren't necessary accurate.
 
-=SS=- said:
I'd rather they didn't have to kill innocent people but I'm not going to condemn them for responding to the butchery of their citizens and the continued holding of hostages including babies and young children. Hamas could put a stop to this right now by surrendering all the hostages. All the deaths are on their shoulders, not the IDF.
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So if you refuse to condemn the IDF, then you support terrorism, right?
Why would we talk to someone who supports terrorism?
(I'm being facetious to make a point. This is how all of the MSM treats Palestinians when interviewing them about their 8 dead family members who have been killed by Israel.)

-=SS=- said:
This all reminds me of the EDL and Tommy Robinson in the UK. Everyone ragged on them for their boisterous behaviour, condemning their 'Islamophobia', when in reality they were purely reactionary to the fact of the Pakistani rape gangs. The EDL and Robinson wouldn't even exist if the root cause hadn't happened in the first place. Condemning the symptom and not the cause is ridiculous logic.
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Yeah, EDL support, I'm out.
The EDL is a xenophobic white nationalist organization, and Tommy Robinson is a grifter with a nearly 2 decade long criminal record that includes assault, libel (harassing and falsely accusing a teenager of assault - in response to the teenager being assaulted - due to them being a refugee), fraud, and using forged documents to enter the USA.
He egged on a man who would later commit a terrorist attack against a mosque.

Are you so passionate about this issue because you are supportive of Israel, or because you want an excuse to rip on Muslim people?
You can calm down bud, these guys aren't in your country.
That's all you care about, right?
 
mal3volent said:
You're missing the part where they count dead Hamas terrorists as civilians. So you see, even if the numbers are in the same ballpark they aren't necessary accurate.
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I don't really see how the dead infants were terrorists, nor any of the children below the age of 16.
Even if I concede that maybe several hundred of those people are "terrorists", you are still missing my point.
Plus we can say the same about Israel.
The IDF has literally been handing out guns to tens of thousands of civilians.
Once those people are armed, are they still considered civilians?
 
mal3volent said:
You can't be serious. They literally built bases under their hospitals.
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Yes, Hamas operates through a tunnel system under much of the Gaza Strip.
This is a tiny area with 2.2 million people that is as dense as the city of London and the 5th most densely populated country in the world.
Of course their tunnel system will go under civilian areas.
But that is not the same thing as launching rockets off of the hospital rooftops (though there aren't really any hospitals left in Gaza at this point)

Jennn said:
Jewish people do 2 years of military so the average civilian is a soldier in some sense
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Israelis, not Jews.
The country of Israel is not synonymous with Jewish people.
If we think of it that way, then we:
  • Tell Jewish people that we are 'self-hating' if we do not support an apartheid ethnostate just because our ethnicity is the group in power
  • Incite violence against Jews from anti-Zionists (this isn't okay, but it is a reality that this will end up happening)
  • Accuse anyone who opposes a violent terrorist apartheid regime of being "anti-Semitic"
But yes, I see your point.
 
arrall said:
I don't really see how the dead infants were terrorists, nor any of the children below the age of 16.
Even if I concede that maybe several hundred of those people are "terrorists", you are still missing my point.
Plus we can say the same about Israel.
The IDF has literally been handing out guns to tens of thousands of civilians.
Once those people are armed, are they still considered civilians?
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The body count numbers you referenced that have supposedly been verified by third parties didn't indicate how many were children, terrorists, adult civilian, etc.

As I said, it doesn't even really matter imo. All civilian deaths is tragic, no matter the amount.

Unfortunately, war is hell. It is impossible to avoid it.

People act as if there's a magical option Israel can take to neutralize Hamas without collateral damage. But there's not. It's a cowardly tactic they use.
 
What was the discussion here back when the news broke about no Cease Fire being approved by Israel until Hamas releases the hostages? I'm about 40 pages behind.

The thing that all the pundits commenting didn't realize, is that *it's near impossible to do a return of hostages WITHOUT there being an active cease fire*!!! A cease fire should be agreed to as one of the TERMS for getting your hostages back, and should be enacted BEFORE the fact!!!
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Israel's behavior as a state towards Palestinians for decades is what has created the environment that allows a group like Hamas to flourish
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Wonder why there aren't Native American terrorists groups? You'd think after the devastation the European colonizers inflicted upon them , they surely could have resorted to baking infants to death in ovens as well?
 
pharmakos said:
There WERE LOTS of Native American terrorists before the US government started treating Natives better and giving them autonomy on reservations.
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there were Native American terrorists that targeted civilians? 🤔
I must have been in the parking lot getting high on that day of history class.
 
mal3volent said:
Wonder why there aren't Native American terrorists groups? You'd think after the devastation the European colonizers inflicted upon them , they surely could have resorted to baking infants to death in ovens as well?
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We got them on the sauce early and heavy. IIRC Hamas doesn't drink. That's the problem here.

Also, IIRC - the baking babies thing was actually something the Israelis did back in 1948 to Palestinian kid.
 
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