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how i understand it, the health authorities said 500 casualties and al jazeera mistranslated it to 500 deaths, and other media outlets just ran with it.

i could be wrong, i don't have time to go investigate, but that's how i have heard it.

btw, the new york times just the other day forced journalist jazmine hughes to resign for criticizing israel.
 
nepalnt21 said:
btw, the new york times just the other day forced journalist jazmine hughes to resign for criticizing israel.
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Jazmine Hughes, a staff writer for New York Times Magazine, left the publication Friday, the paper told staffers in an email obtained by The Post.

“While I respect that she has strong convictions, this was a clear violation of The Times’s policy on public protest,” said magazine editor Jake Silverstein. “This policy, which I fully support, is an important part of our commitment to independence.”

“She and I discussed that her desire to stake out this kind of public position and join in public protests isn’t compatible with being a journalist at The Times, and we both came to the conclusion that she should resign,” Silverstein continued.
 
the left wing commies are chanting From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free! as elected MPs

This is fucking call to genocide jews. These people are fucked in the head. we should outlaw left wingers and commies asap before they take over and start gassing people.

Fucking hilliarous when the "woke" LGBT folk are chanting this a hamas terror chant.

Islam cant wait to chop their heads off. Do they not understand LGBT folk get stonned to death and beheaded in every islamic country on the planet?

fucking communist scumbags
 
nepalnt21 said:
cause those are people? i try to care about the well- being of all sentient creatures in the solar system. i realize this quality seems like a flaw to some... and i don't like those people.
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Caring equally for every potential sentient being is an affective absurdity, not a realistic description.

Many humans are complete assholes. The ratio differs wildly across our planet.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
the left wing commies are chanting From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free! as elected MPs

This is fucking call to genocide jews. These people are fucked in the head. we should outlaw left wingers and commies asap before they take over and start gassing people.

Fucking hilliarous when the "woke" LGBT folk are chanting this a hamas terror chant.

Islam cant wait to chop their heads off. Do they not understand LGBT folk get stonned to death and beheaded in every islamic country on the planet?

fucking communist scumbags
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Their ideology is simply a collective sublimation of a total lack of will to live and prosper. A great big suicide cult. Human heat death.
 
arrall said:
So do you condemn the IDF?
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I'd rather they didn't have to kill innocent people but I'm not going to condemn them for responding to the butchery of their citizens and the continued holding of hostages including babies and young children. Hamas could put a stop to this right now by surrendering all the hostages. All the deaths are on their shoulders, not the IDF.

Honestly, what do you expect Israel to do, tiptoe around with special forces in an attempt not to kill anyone and end up sacrificing lives on their side to free hostages who shouldn't have been taken in the first place? Get fucking real mate, if this happened to any other country on the planet they would respond the same or far worse. If it were America, UK, Russia, China, then Gaza would have been flattened or glassed immediately.

This all reminds me of the EDL and Tommy Robinson in the UK. Everyone ragged on them for their boisterous behaviour, condemning their 'Islamophobia', when in reality they were purely reactionary to the fact of the Pakistani rape gangs. The EDL and Robinson wouldn't even exist if the root cause hadn't happened in the first place. Condemning the symptom and not the cause is ridiculous logic.

So stop trying to play the equivalence game. No one is buying that shit anymore. The IDF, American or British militaries are far from angels, but that is besides the point. We're actually at the situation now where all it will take is one more Jihad attack on western soil, or some violence this Saturday in London (Remembrance Day), and the public are going to snap. Everyone except the diehard fools of the far-left are sick of this bullshit.

You can only cry wolf so many times before you use up any right to sympathy or an olive branch of peace. Butchering 1400+ civilians and taking hostages has crossed that threshold, and Hamas knew it would do so. Claiming you are a peaceful religion then having hundreds of thousands of people, in many different Western cities, coming out to demand a ceasefire instead of outright condemning the Hamas attack and demanding they release the hostages.. that crosses the threshold.

People are done with this crap. We have enough problems of our own than to continue entertaining this delusional fantasy of peace when one side clearly does not want it and has just proven they do not want it.
 
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Condemning the symptom and not the cause is ridiculous logic.
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Yet you continue to condemn the whole of Palestine because of Hamas, while failing to take into account Israel knew the attack was happening and did nothing to prevent it. Why is that?

This seems to the reoccuring issue I have with the logic of many people in this thread.
 
elgoucho9 said:
Yet you continue to condemn the whole of Palestine because of Hamas, while failing to take into account Israel knew the attack was happening and did nothing to prevent it. Why is that?
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And you don't think the Palestinians (and Arab world generally) don't condemn the entire populations of the USA, UK, and others, for the actions of our governments in Iraq and other ME countries? If the protests in London and elsewhere are anything to go by, that is unquestionably the case.

As for the intelligence failure, you nor I do not know the truth about what actually happened. Incompetence, conspiracy, or legitimately being beaten at their own game. Yet you are immediately defaulting to an unproven stance AND insinuating that this is Israel's fault - who was it that actually organised and carried out the attack. You seem to be the one missing a step in logic here, by blaming Israel for not stopping an attack organised and executed by someone else. Unless you want to claim Israel organised and executed it covertly? Do you?

Ridiculous. If someone fails to block an unprovoked punch and gets hit in the face, you don't blame the person who got hit in the face do you.
 
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And you don't think the Palestinians (and Arab world generally) don't condemn the entire populations of the USA, UK, and others, for the actions of our governments in Iraq and other ME countries? If the protests in London and elsewhere are anything to go by, that is unquestionably the case.

As for the intelligence failure, you nor I do not know the truth about what actually happened. Incompetence, conspiracy, or legitimately being beaten at their own game. Yet you are immediately defaulting to an unproven stance AND insinuating that this is Israel's fault - who was it that actually organised and carried out the attack. You seem to be the one missing a step in logic here, by blaming Israel for not stopping an attack organised and executed by someone else. Unless you want to claim Israel organised and executed it covertly? Do you?

Ridiculous. If someone fails to block an unprovoked punch and gets hit in the face, you don't blame the person who got hit in the face do you.
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Ofcourse Palestine hates the UK and US, we support Israel.

They didn't have to organise it. All they had to do was turn a blind eye and let it happen, to their own people, so they could claim the rest of Gaza. Which is exactly what they did.
 
elgoucho9 said:
Of course Palestine hates the UK and US, we support Israel Jews.
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This isn't about land. That time expired - virtually none of the people there today have any direct connection to the land disputes of a century ago. What drives these people now is hatred, not any grievance about land they wish to settle amicably for both sides to live in peace together.

The moment Israel defeated all the Arab nations that attacked it after it was founded was the moment the Palestinians should have realised they were never going to win any battle again. Every subsequent attempt at peace they have rejected, they are irreconcilably butthurt and can't except Israel's success both in military terms and in prosperity levels compared to all the Arab states.
elgoucho9 said:
They didn't have to organise it. All they had to do was turn a blind eye and let it happen, to their own people, so they could claim the rest of Gaza. Which is exactly what they did.
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You're still overlooking the base point here. Who was it that organised and executed the attack in the first place? They didn't have to do that.

Logically what you're saying makes no sense either. You're saying Israel wants to take the entire strip, that you know this for a fact and yet Hamas somehow didn't know this too? So basically Hamas signed its own death warrant and the end of Gaza, committing suicide.
 
Israel was already looking for excuses to push Palestinians out of gaza no matter what Hamas did or didn't do. Israel is the one pushing around Palestinians not the other way around
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Israel was already looking for excuses to push Palestinians out of gaza no matter what Hamas did or didn't do. Israel is the one pushing around Palestinians not the other way around
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And why are they 'pushing Gazans around'? Because they are big bad Jews? Or because Gaza continues to be a general launching pad for terrorism against Israel.

If they were big bad Jews they wouldn't have even bothered with a pretence of peace negotiations down the years and putting their own people in the line of fire, they simply would have steamrolled over Gaza decades ago.

You're presupposing intent on behalf of the Israeli's but yet completely overlook the overt and explicit intent of Hamas, who Palestinian's voted for, to wipe out the Israeli state. Have you asked yourself honestly why you give the benefit of the doubt to one side with an explicit genocidal intent and not to the side with no explicit genocidal intent but whom you project it on to anyway?
 
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This isn't about land. That time expired - virtually none of the people there today have any direct connection to the land disputes of a century ago. What drives these people now is hatred, not any grievance about land they wish to settle amicably for both sides to live in peace together.

The moment Israel defeated all the Arab nations that attacked it after it was founded was the moment the Palestinians should have realised they were never going to win any battle again. Every subsequent attempt at peace they have rejected, they are irreconcilably butthurt and can't except Israel's success both in military terms and in prosperity levels compared to all the Arab states.

You're still overlooking the base point here. Who was it that organised and executed the attack in the first place? They didn't have to do that.

Logically what you're saying makes no sense either. You're saying Israel wants to take the entire strip, that you know this for a fact and yet Hamas somehow didn't know this too? So basically Hamas signed its own death warrant and the end of Gaza, committing suicide.
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Israel hasn't had to bomb Gaza for decades and push Palestinians out of their homes... But here we are
 
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