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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

PJACK22 said:
Anyway, are u sayim u really think all of those drugs u mentioned in ur post wil make its way to uk?? PLEASE DO NOT SAY THAT OTHERWISE IT WIL COME TRUE!!! 😭
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Since it's used medically, it's hardly a secret. Thankfully some idiot who tried to get sufentanil patches approved for the US market was blocked.

Lessons were learned. I have NO doubt that fentanyl was accepted by the street because so MANY formulations were rushed to market that they had SOME idea of it's activity.

But it IS more complex to make. That's why chemists skipped sufentanil and went straight on to carfentanil production.

Ironically their are MANY classes of opioid so novel that one could so easily have the direct precursor produced in China (or wherever) and just perform the last step. Believe me, x10,000 M isn't the limit. Not by a long way.
 
Already very hard to get H round my area for past 10 days.
Especially, bigger dealer amounts. This is west London.

Let's see if the Taliban do stop production, find it hard to believe as they must be under sanctions. So need the money from somewhere.
Maybe their religious teachers the Saudis! USA+ UK s favourite Muslim country.,🤬😡
 
dsd said:
Well obviously not. It being a huge area.
Although for me its gone from can't get nothing to then paying double to yesterday bein 25% more than usual.
Tenner a point being the utmost that I'd still buy .
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Well surely by now it should be back to normal??
 
wow wow i have found out something INTERESTING TODAY, AFTER ALL,there wil be definitely NO HEROIN drought for an other year AGAIN, YES AGAIN, it.wil be around in 2025, BEFORE we start to see heroin shortage! How do i know that for sure 1000%? I will get to that, so today, i saw unodc opium survey 2023 published today so i read that survey report and hav to say it was really depressing news becauze it say there are only 10 thousand hectare of opium cultivation and 333 tons of opium. Lmfao this wil not be suffiecent enough for all of eu market. Also this say heroin processing in afghanistan has deceased, there wil be no more heroin manufacture anymore but opium seizure has continued and increased!
Talbain are pressuring on cultivation and trade of opium for 2nd consective year but it didnt say they are successful or not? ANYWAY so i thought to myself, Fentanyl wil come to europe and uk next month but i noticed that the price on street and darknet didnt increase massively when the price should hike last month but it realy didmt? So i was on twitter earlier and was lurking around as i was bored! Then i came across unodc comment from executive director ghana waly, she blah blah about how great it was to see opium production stopped for good, i thought what a fuckin bitch! Then i noticed 1 of the comment from former unodc staff in afghanistan who used to work in the field for stastic and researcher for opium poppy cultivation, his name is hakan demirbuken. I do not KNOW why that name is famailiar? So i looked it up on google and found out he was famous for givin accurate info about poppy cultivation in hectares and opium yield. He left unodc cos they alway lied to the public lol so i saw his comment there and he was sayin that unodc report is very politically prepared!! Also, he said for this year 2023, the opium cultivation was150 thousand hectares!!!! I asked him how can he be sure? And where is his proof? He said go look up for afghan opium survey 2022 and be sure to count hectare in each province EXCEPT helmand in southwest afghanistan so i did that and it turned out it was 110 thousand hectares and he said correct so the report said ONLY in helmand, kanadanar and uruzgan have zero cultivations EXCEPT the rest of country, is that right? I said that right, his collegue were sayin the same things.so im relieved to hear that! Lol
 
I think some years ago researchers identified the fact that the heroin found on UK streets was produced from opium that was on average found to be five years old.

Evidently for a long time opium has been cached to ensure that the availability and thus price of heroin was maintained. So it could be YEARS before their is a shortage of morphine for the production of heroin.

I should add that a lot of work has gone into optimizing the synthesis of hydromorphone from morphine. Given that hydromorphine is around four times more potent than heroin and is generally considered to produce a better flash and high, I would not be surprised that IF the price of opium increases substantially, someone will telescope down that synthesis because the potential profit would be larger.

Going on step further, I foresee someone moving to plant the oriental poppy or the Norman Strain of the opium poppy. These produce almost no codeine or morphine but do produce large amounts of thebaine from which oxycodone and oxymorphone can be produced.

At the end of the day it's purely about profit and market share is KEY so whoever is involved with the Afghan heroin trade will be working hard to prevent the Mexican cartels importing fentanyl and given all the things that poppies CAN make, I presume some thought has gone into optimizing the product.

I mean I doubt H users would be displeased to discover that hydromorphone or oxymorphone replaced the diamorphine. All are considered vastly better then fentanyl.
 




This whole situation is quite complex. I think this may cause a spread away from the US with fentanyl maybe to South America first.

I won't be surprised if in the UK we see other less potent compounds appear. Maybe not fentanyl but whatever else they can convert the opium into and get more out of it strength wise like @AlsoTapered says. Maybe hydromorphone or something else similar with those principles in mind. Ofcourse it depends how big the supply of opium they have is, but surely some chemist HAS to be already thinking how can they make it go further, by producing a drug with greater potency than heroin.
 
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It's highly unlikely that the Mexican cartels would stop producing fentanyl unless they have a replacement ready. I know fentanyl precursors are now controlled in China and so the Chinese were exporting pre-precursors which MIGHT make the nitazenes more profitable?

Thebaine WOULD be a better move for the Mexicans. I find it hard to believe they lack the resources to obtain seeds of the 'Norman Strain' of opium poppy. It's opium contains no codeine and no morphine so is POSSIBLY legal to grow in Mexico but it's opium contains HUGE amounts of thebaine and oripavine (oxycodone & oxymorphone precursors)) so they could make REAL 'fake' Oxycontins...

Oh, and of course thebaine makes dugs like dihydroetorphine which is x12000 morphine - more potent than carfentanil.

In essence, growing thebaine would mean they wouldn't need the Chinese too much. THAT might be a good reason to change - the Triads are taking the profit.
 
It looks like they've found a way to make fentanyl more profitable by claiming they've banned it. Then blaming other cartels for the production and taxing anyone making or using it. Thus they profit much more than before. If you watch the second video with the cartel member it's very telling.

I do believe they also know other drugs are more profitable and have grown sick of the Chinese. So they may have switched things up already for their own production line.
 
As the broadcaster says, they have CLAIMED to have stopped making fentanyl but who knows? But it has to be said that if they were selling REAL oxycodone, REAL oxymorphone and an etorphine analogue for those who have a huge tolerance due to long-term fentanyl use, they could essentially avoid relying on the Chinese.

Could be an entirely different synthetic but it would have to be synthetically simple.
 

I know when 2-phenylethyl bromide was controlled, the Chinese just shipped 2-phenylethanol and a brominating agent OR when 2-phenylacetaldehyde was banned the Chinese just shipped 2-phenylethane-1,1-diol.

I'm convinced all that is happened is that the people making the fentanyl are still using more or less the same precursors but a whole new layer of people in Mexico are importing the pre-precursors and converting them into precursors.

I just remembered that 14-acetoxy morphone is x40 M so if they grow thebaine they can produce oxymorphone (x10 M) and acetylate it to 3,14-diacetoxymorphone which is likely to be almost identical to H.... just substantially more potent - more potent than many fentanyl analogues that reach the street.
 
blondin said:
As this was the thread that i started posting on all those years i wanted it to be the last one as well. As just about all the posters that i knew no longer frequent this place and the frequency and quality of posts has dipped to an all time low, I shall bid you all a fair well - i will keep my login for a couple of months as there are a couple of people who I know that may have my email addy phone # etc but are equally likely to have lost them.

Keep safe, always test a new batch of anything by titrating up, nothing is for free; you always pay in the long run - Blondin (ever wondered why this is my handle? - i have good balance as did my great great grandfather)
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You'll still be here NO one leaves muhuhahahaha jk
 
AlsoTapered said:
I think some years ago researchers identified the fact that the heroin found on UK streets was produced from opium that was on average found to be five years old.

Evidently for a long time opium has been cached to ensure that the availability and thus price of heroin was maintained. So it could be YEARS before their is a shortage of morphine for the production of heroin.

I should add that a lot of work has gone into optimizing the synthesis of hydromorphone from morphine. Given that hydromorphine is around four times more potent than heroin and is generally considered to produce a better flash and high, I would not be surprised that IF the price of opium increases substantially, someone will telescope down that synthesis because the potential profit would be larger.

Going on step further, I foresee someone moving to plant the oriental poppy or the Norman Strain of the opium poppy. These produce almost no codeine or morphine but do produce large amounts of thebaine from which oxycodone and oxymorphone can be produced.

At the end of the day it's purely about profit and market share is KEY so whoever is involved with the Afghan heroin trade will be working hard to prevent the Mexican cartels importing fentanyl and given all the things that poppies CAN make, I presume some thought has gone into optimizing the product.

I mean I doubt H users would be displeased to discover that hydromorphone or oxymorphone replaced the diamorphine. All are considered vastly better then fentanyl.
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I have said before on here I have seen, via pics from a mate , huge caches of opium to last 4-5 years.
 
Got some wicked gear today, the sort you run up and down the same path 3 times as its so clean. I had some a fortnight ago which was a little disappointing 6/10 but today a strong 9. I toyed with the idea of getting a lump to put away but a bit like pandora's box once its opened it will stay open. Good thing is when he gets a new batch it lasts a while.
 
MY friend send me the link via whatapp, he is from ireland, he told me as of right now, therr are 42 overdose in dublin city center, said there was nitazene throw in mixed in heroin and it was understood the supplier from uk sold it to irish dealer. If any irish users is on here, please be AWARE of this.
Hav a read here

www.irishtimes.com

Number of heroin overdoses in Dublin in recent days rises to 40 as public asked to watch out for possible cases

40 heroin overdoses in recent days linked to banning of opium production in Afghanistan
www.irishtimes.com www.irishtimes.com
 
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