mal3volent
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I certainly trust this account less now. They'll probably delete it soon
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still bad tho
Israel is under attack
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still bad tho
I wonder if western aligned "OS" INT could have any intentions to mislead hmm
Israel would never make things up to excuse killing Palestinians
www.nbcnews.com
Netanyahu: Palestinian Gave Hitler Idea to Exterminate Jews
Israel's prime minister suggested that a Palestinian gave Hitler the idea to exterminate Jews in the Holocaust, drawing fierce rebuke and condemnation
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The conditions required for a group like Hamas seem to manifest almost globally then. I don't really know what the citizens of Nice did exactly, but evidently they created the conditions for an Islamic terrorist to kill scores of people with a truck. Or the people at Bataclan. Or the UK subway. Or the genocide of the Yazidi. Or just insert every act of Islamic terrorism around the world over the last 30 years or so. What's the common factor behind the violence?
The truth, or at least a huge part of it, that you refuse to see because you think it's bigotry is that wherever there are large groups of Muslims, you'll get a few Islamic extremists who perpetrate murder in the name of their God. The conditions required for the actions of groups like Hamas are not external. They are ideological.
Okay, dude. Sure thing.
Hamas isn't a group that wants to institute Islamic law, while I disagree with their methods what they're doing is just fighting for Palestinian freedom. When you conflate their goals with any other Islam based group you're being disingenuous and helping to excuse the genocide
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swilow
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Islamism in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
They've also explicitly stated that they want Islam recognised as "sovereign" in the Palestinian territories (after driving the Jews off the land that is). They have explicitly and repeatedly stated that their goal is derived from their Islamic beliefs.
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For the islamo extermist lovers here is a proper muslim preaching that judea belongs to israel and that palesteinas are not arabs
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I recall Sam Harris made the argument that you wouldn't get violent religious motivation from those who practice Jainism if you left them to their own devices on an island for 10,000 years. I imagine the same is true after you dispossess or displace them, because nothing in their doctrine is a basis for Jihad style violence. Not that violence wouldn't erupt, but it wouldn't be have a basis in doctrine. The following will likely not be new information to anybody.
The state of affairs in the Islamic world is a little different though. If the Qu'ran doesn't hold the prescription on how to react or what to do (and I believe the Qu'ran does lay out what is permissible if the followers of Mohamed are infringed upon), then it is at least found baked into their societies with a strong religious tone, on brand for the religions of the God of Abraham.
Shitty conditions do not help. If you disposess people, they will select the most empowering aspects of their religion to promote change. In Islam, you can read the solution as turning inward, but often the route is palpably external and violent. Often unintellgently and indiscriminate, which is to be condemned. But both things are true.
If we must have senseless war with our brothers and sisters in the greater mid-east, they shouldn't be wars of economic or geographic control, but of our ideas.
The state of affairs in the Islamic world is a little different though. If the Qu'ran doesn't hold the prescription on how to react or what to do (and I believe the Qu'ran does lay out what is permissible if the followers of Mohamed are infringed upon), then it is at least found baked into their societies with a strong religious tone, on brand for the religions of the God of Abraham.
Shitty conditions do not help. If you disposess people, they will select the most empowering aspects of their religion to promote change. In Islam, you can read the solution as turning inward, but often the route is palpably external and violent. Often unintellgently and indiscriminate, which is to be condemned. But both things are true.
If we must have senseless war with our brothers and sisters in the greater mid-east, they shouldn't be wars of economic or geographic control, but of our ideas.
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Collective punishment - Wikipedia
The Unprecedented and Deadly Toll on Journalists in Gaza
The first weeks of the war have been the deadliest period for journalists covering conflict since 1992, per the CPJ.
Shireen Abu Akleh - Wikipedia
i really don't get how you could possibly support this israeli regime's actions. especially when ALMOST ALL israeli citizens blame them for october 7th.
Israelis blame gov’t for Hamas massacre, say Netanyahu must resign
An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership.
and then to top it off.. they bomb hospitals, refugee camps, etc... and told them to go south (ostensibly so they could bomb the north) AND THEN THEY BOMBED THE SOUTH!
israel: "hey palestinians, leave your homes"
"there's nowhere for us to go, gaza is under blockade"
israel: "oh well" (bombs everyone, including countless children, probably hundreds of babies) "well i told them to watch out!"
sick.
depraved.
cowardly.
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mal3volent
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Israel would never make things up to excuse killing Palestinians
Netanyahu: Palestinian Gave Hitler Idea to Exterminate Jews
Israel's prime minister suggested that a Palestinian gave Hitler the idea to exterminate Jews in the Holocaust, drawing fierce rebuke and condemnation
"When Husseini eventually met with Hitler and Ribbentrop in 1941, he assured Hitler that "The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies... namely the English, the Jews, and the Communists"."
So he met with Adolf Hitler and said they had
"The same enemies...the Jews"
hmmm interesting
Your point is?"When Husseini eventually met with Hitler and Ribbentrop in 1941, he assured Hitler that "The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies... namely the English, the Jews, and the Communists"."
So he met with Adolf Hitler and said they had
"The same enemies...the Jews"
hmmm interesting
mal3volent
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You seem to be implying that Palestinians all hate Jews because a guy met with Hitler. Should we be assuming that all Germans hate Jews then?
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I dont support the Israeli regime. You're just making shit up. I have zero political interest in Israel. I do support the right of Israel to do what it needs to do to prevent its citizens from being massacred. As every nation on earth should be entitled to do.
Of course it's a massive failing on behalf of the Israeli government. You're imagining that because an intelligence failure and abysmal leadership from a corrupt prime minster weakened Israel, they should just- what? Accept the worst massacre since the Holocaust? Hold an election? Remove their government?
Ultimately, they will need to do both of those things. Netanyahu is over and good riddance. First though, Israel- despite being Jews- have to destroy the real genocidal threat beyond their borders.
Tell me this. If Israel were defeated by Hamas, what do you think would happen to the citizens of Israel? Do you think that Hamas will just issue passports and drop them at the airport?
You know what they will do. You know it. Hamas will exterminate them because it is what they have said they will do, over and over again.
When someone says they want to wipe out your ethnic group and actively takes steps to do this, you better believe that they would if they could unless you make it so they can't.
You don't seem to believe in the rights of Palestine to do what they need to do to prevent their citizens from being massacred. It's a weird double standard present in this thread. Israel has been doing the massacring for decades and now you're suddenly defending Israel for some reason
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If you support Israeli citizens rights not to be massacred where is any outrage towards the government there. When they had warnings the attack was going to happen and did nothing.
This is confirmed by the Egyptian military aswell as IDF own soldiers. Hamas ran a simulation of the attack the day before. And were in the air on Israeli space for 45minutes in hand glinders.
Israel itself has claimed they can spot a bug moving on the ground. You're telling me with their security forces they didn't both know this was happening and do nothing to stop it. Why is that?
mal3volent
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an effectively nazi regime using this symbol to gain sympathy for their ethnic cleansing campaign is DISGUSTING and dishonest.
You calling Jews nazis is what's actually disgusting.
The loving and caring progressive left. Where words are violence except if you're being antisemitic.
Ah when you miss the forest for the trees and accidentally excuse genocide
Jews being victims in the past doesn't mean they're incapable of doing horrible things, that makes no sense. Israel is Nazi Germany in this scenario
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