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Israel is under attack

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But to say that the Hamas attack was a natural reaction (which I would objectively agree with), it's sort of blame shifting. At it's core it is not that far from "she dressed like she wanted it" when a woman is sexually assaulted.

The violence on both sides should be condemned. The US should be spearheading the ceasefire instead of voting against it -_-... gotta feed the war machine.
Very important notion. As in, are Swiss people evil?
Definitely not like "Israel dressed like she wanted it" more like "Israel broke down Palestine's door and started living in their house while punching their wife in the face every other day"
Isn't it more like - "A guy wanted the girl to settle for living in his apartment under his rules. And than she stabbed him to the ass cuz he slapped her after he after she...".
I'm not saying we shouldn't improve. But explaining the history to someone who seems to be ignorant of how lines on the maps *got drawn.
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it is far from that because your metaphor includes two supposedly regular free people. What we have in Israel/Palestine is long history of violence and power relationships.
What is better version of that metaphor according to you? I'm genuinely interested.
By doing something, at least they control their own emotions. One of the few things they have been left with any control in the first place.
In reality people close to or having only their emotions to control tend to not so. Example is starving leading to cannibalism or prison leading to rapes or diamonds leading to slavery or....list is depending on parameters big hundreds to millions of examples in known history.

One of the few things they can control is accepting, or rather rejecting, the idea of destroying Israel and Jewish people.
And yet we don't see any serious diplomatic pushes in that way. A lot of muslim world is against such an idea I guess as otherwise they would shoot? Or they don't shoot as they don't have nuclear?
And I reject the act of HAMAS, even more than people who get some warm feeling when "bully gets hit" (or that is the picture people develop)
I think we should use a lot less metaphors as it's so easy to confuse all of this. I'm confused and when you are confused and high it's very easy to forget about which moment in time are we talking about.
The fact we don't see many moderates or people within the Muslim community speaking up, in a proper intellectual manner, should be the reality check here.
Rarely if ever are moderates that are very loud
Because no one (expect mentally ill retards) helps terrorists that kill babies. When normal good people hear about people kill babies they don't support the baby killers, they pray for SEAL Team 6 to remove the terrorists from the planet.
Normal people often don't support enormous amount of decisions by their rulers
past genocide is not justification for current day genocide.

Genocide is wrong. End of story.

If you think Israel is bad for genocidal policy, surely you would agree that any other group with genocidal policy or goals is also bad.

Killing is bad.
 
past genocide is not justification for current day genocide.

Genocide is wrong. End of story.

If you think Israel is bad for genocidal policy, surely you would agree that any other group with genocidal policy or goals is also bad.

Killing is bad. Except when I do it against the people I hate. Because magic (communist/gnostic/hermetic) logic!
It isn't past day genocide by Israel, its still ongoing
 
We have a mind reader 🤯

No foreign citizens can vote in Israeli elections. I'm not sure how this is particularly surprising. Thats the same law in nearly every democratic nation. If they are Israeli citizens, they can vote.

As to owning property, it's not as simple as what you keep saying. It's hard/complicated for Israeli citizens to buy land in Israel. It is typically leased. And AFAIK, no foreign citizen can lease state land. Perhaps if there was less beheading and rocket launching Israel may be a bit more welcoming?

But of course, let's see what Hamass view on Israelis owning land are *checks notes* nope, still want all of Israel dead.

Read what he actually said, then reconsider what are you even talking about @someguyontheinternet said Palestinians aren't allowed to own land or vote, which they aren't. He doesn't mean in Israel (which a large part of it once was Palestinian land), but on what's left on Palestine's own land either.

You haven't a leg to stand on this one i'm afraid. Or what is the point you are trying to make? It's not easy for Israeli's either on their own land, because their government are a bunch of cunts? I believe they were also one of the places that pushed the hardest for vaccine passports. Which in my opinion is simply restricting free movement of it's citizens.
 
(which a large part of it once was Palestinian land)
what was once someone elses, and before that someone else's, etc.

Wars were fought over the same land for ever.

And then there were these big world wars, and some people made some agreements and drew some borders on the maps.

People got a place to live.

But some people were unhappy (remember those wars that were fought, well turns out being on the wrong side of a war and losing has consequences, perhaps the first FAFO ever lol), and felt justified to do anything and everything to get what they felt was theirs.

So there was a civil war, and then everything got split so that the kids could play nice. But when they split, the bitter losers started a war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

And the cycle began, they did a few more wars, and terrorism became a regular thing! And the gang of losers kept losing!

And now decades later, because of what once once someones land, some people hate the people that live there now and made the land thrive. They hate every person that looks, talks, acts and prays like the people they think stole their land. And rather than be good people and live good lives, they are succumbed by hate and wage terror on innocents, in order to provoke a reaction that will bring the region into a massive war with global ramifications.

Please bring facts and sources to disagree.
 
what was once someone elses, and before that someone else's, etc.

Wars were fought over the same land for ever.

And then there were these big world wars, and some people made some agreements and drew some borders on the maps.

People got a place to live.

And what? That means there can't possibly be any injustice to it?

You sound like a broken record/add for the Israeli government.
 
And what? That means there can't possibly be any injustice to it?

You sound like a broken record/add for the Israeli government.
"Please bring facts and sources to disagree."

You did not bring facts or sources, nor did you engage in the entirety of the comment.

Instead you made a personal (untrue) attack, baselessly.

Sorry, I forgot to reply to your shitty comment.

Everyone got a place to live, and then one group of people (the terrorists) were unhappy losers and started wars and being fucking terrorists and justify their hatred of Jews because they stole their land (a dubious claim to start with).

So, instead of peace, some people chose war and terror.
 
"Please bring facts and sources to disagree."

You did not bring facts or sources, nor did you engage in the entirety of the comment.

Instead you made a personal (untrue) attack, baselessly.

You want your whole comment replied to, like you did with mine right before that yeah? Lol.

Ignore.
 
Absolutely shameful what’s happening now.
So many civilians dying and suffering.
Everyone on about Israel should defend themselves makes me sick, this isn’t defending themselves this is a slaughter.
It’s like a drunk punching u in the pub then u beat him up and go to his house and murder his entire family.
 
Absolutely shameful what’s happening now.
So many civilians dying and suffering.
Everyone on about Israel should defend themselves makes me sick, this isn’t defending themselves this is a slaughter.
It’s like a drunk punching u in the pub then u beat him up and go to his house and murder his entire family.
But that drunk is also your subordinate, there's a massive power differential that Israel has been exploiting and hoping nobody notices
 
It’s like a drunk punching u in the pub then u beat him up and go to his house and murder his entire family.

No, it's like a drunk shooting at you then running behind his family members while he continues shooting at you.

In order to save your life you have to take a shot at him.

Then you get blamed for being put in that terrible scenario, when it was obviously the drunk guys fault.
 
No, it's like a drunk shooting at you then running behind his family members while he continues shooting at you.

In order to save your life you have to take a shot at him.

Then you get blamed for being put in that terrible scenario, when it was obviously the drunk guys fault.
No it’s really not. Israel is just flattening the place now and simultaneously starving the population.
Is it confirmed that Jews are claiming palastinian
Houses after they been evicted?
I’ve seen footage but obviously csnt believe fuck sll
 
Is it confirmed that Jews are claiming palastinian
Houses after they been evicted?
I’ve seen footage but obviously csnt believe fuck sll
Are you actually saying you believed that Israeli's are claiming Gazan houses.. during the middle of a military operation on that same general area? If you are, then fucking lol. If I misinterpreted, apologies and ignore this.
 
Are you actually saying you believed that Israeli's are claiming Gazan houses.. during the middle of a military operation on that same general area? If you are, then fucking lol. If I misinterpreted, apologies and ignore this.
I’m sort of saying the opposite when I say”can’t believe fuck all.
But o know that once an area has been cleared what would be so surprising?
 
I’m sort of saying the opposite when I say”can’t believe fuck all.
But o know that once an area has been cleared what would be so surprising?
Come on, you shouldn't even need to ask for anyone else's input on that notion of Israeli's claiming houses inside an active military theatre (and in close proximity to Hamas controlled territory). It's fucking ludicrous, no one in their right mind would ever consider moving into such a place unless they were actively suicidal.
 
Gold (a safe haven) was going down in anticipation of a recession until the war started Oct 7th. It broke $2,000 today but look at it since Oct 7th

Green line is today

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