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assclass said:
You don't have a decent grasp of the history and are not accurately reflecting reality with your statements.


In your analogy, the Israelis actually bought the property from Turkish landlords and the tenants told the new owners "fuck off Jews" and then there has been as nasty fight ever since. You are repeating the "stolen land" myth.
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Nobody bought anything, you seem to be misrepresenting colonialism
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Oh wow so you're sating colonialism caused this what a surprise. Someone allocated permissions to Britain of a land where Palestinians were living, and they gave the land to people who were not there why on earth would Palestinians be upset? These Israelis just showed up and made laws Palestinians couldn't live there or own property or vote no big deal right?
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Winning wars matters.

It wasn't magic that France and England dictated what happened. They fought and won a global war.

Some people sided with the losers of the war, and thus lost lives, land and treasure.

It's a well established fact throughout history.
 
assclass said:
Winning wars matters.

It wasn't magic that France and England dictated what happened. They fought and won a global war.

Some people sided with the losers of the war, and thus lost lives, land and treasure.

It's a well established fact throughout history.
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So that gives them the permission to be assholes and do more colonial shit? You're going at this with an A+ moral structure
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Definitely not like "Israel dressed like she wanted it" more like "Israel broke down Palestine's door and started living in their house while punching their wife in the face every other day"
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At this point in my life, I try to avoid politics but I just DON'T understand how anyone can support what Israel does. And I've NEVER understood why so many people automatically condemn the actions of Palestinians....their land was stolen and they were displaced! They're treated like slaves in their OWN country, for fuck's sake. There is just NO reason for that to be acceptable. Period.
 
Illyria99 said:
At this point in my life, I try to avoid politics but I just DON'T understand how anyone can support what Israel does. And I've NEVER understood why so many people automatically condemn the actions of Palestinians....their land was stolen and they were displaced! There is just NO reason for that to be acceptable. Period.
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once displaced, they became terrorists that raped and murdered innocent women and launched rockets at cities to kill indescrininately.

There is no reason for that to be acceptable. Period.


Defending terrorism is gross.
 
assclass said:
So I replied with the wiki page detailing the land purchases. I look forward to your rebuttal.

Or are you just going to ignore the fact that you are wrong and go one spouting more lies without evidence.
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My bad I must have missed the part where it was purchased from the ottoman empire
 
assclass said:
once displaced, they became terrorists that raped and murdered innocent women and launched rockets at cities to kill indiscriminately.
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And...? What else were they supposed to do? THEIR families were murdered, kicked out of their own homes, and treated like absolute shit by the invading Zionists. If I were them, I too would've been launching rockets and killing as many of the enemy as possible. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
 
Snafu in the Void said:
But to say that the Hamas attack was a natural reaction (which I would objectively agree with), it's sort of blame shifting. At it's core it is not that far from "she dressed like she wanted it" when a woman is sexually assaulted.
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it is far from that because your metaphor includes two supposedly regular free people. What we have in Israel/Palestine is long history of violence and power relationships.

But it is true that Hamas should not have done its terror acts.

I have found myself frustrated because there is no proper party or actor to go for palestinians benefits, be it diplomacy or war. Instead we have terrorist organization that has been elected in broken democracy almost two decades ago. Maybe only thing that would help palestinians would be intervention. But no state seems to care setting sanctions on Israel, what I know of. So gutless.
 
Illyria99 said:
And...? What else were they supposed to do? THEIR families were murdered, kicked out of their own homes, and treated like absolute shit by the invading Zionists. If I were them, I too would've been launching rockets and killing as many of the enemy as possible. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
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Ah yes, the babies deserved to be burnt alive because of things their ancestors did. Nice morality you've got there.
 
Well. US ships and bases have been shot at by Iran and have shot back (why the fuck do we have bases in Syrias rubble wasteland against?)

Here we go again. Decades of a war we didn’t start and have nothing to do with. Only 20 million dollars per minute for the next 20 years.



The donors at Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop grumnen, and Raytheon got what they have been wanting for a couple US.



You would’ve thought the 70 years we’ve been paying Israel for this war, Ukraine war and funding Kurds in Syria was enough money for these companies. Nope we need to give them even more of our tax dollars to fight a war that has nothing to do with us.



Isn’t it interesting how Net and Yahoo knew about the terrorist attack before it happened but let it happen. Hmmm I’ve heard this story like this before, sounds like 9 11 which ended in a huge payout of tax dollars for these companies and a false and unjust war looking for WMDs that didn’t exist ina country that had nothing to do with 9 11.



But hey Americans beleieve it



Instead of using those trillions to fund police, mental health for all our mass shooters, the homeless and drug crisis, the insane inflation and cost of lovining for 60% of America living check to check….nope. We gotta pay more taxes for made up wars.



Congrats to the defense contractors you’ve raiped amaericans once again.
 
swilow said:
Ah yes, the babies deserved to be burnt alive because of things their ancestors did. Nice morality you've got there.
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When you say things their ancestors did, are you referring to the ongoing genocide and ethnic displacement of Plaestjnians? It isn't in the past because it hasn't stopped happening since it started. Israel is still a far right ethno state that is actively killing thousands of Palestinians
 
swilow said:
Ah yes, the babies deserved to be burnt alive because of things their ancestors did. Nice morality you've got there.
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"What should the people do?" sometimes answer is rather nothing than something. Given that palestinians are not allowed to leave, there are no good options.

But the thing is, human is as a species sort of megalomaniac control freak, so obviously answer "nothing" just can not be accepted.

If I try to imagine palestinian mindset, it is largely driven by nihilistic anger for countless reasons. At least most of HAMAS guys. I guess that many of the palestinian people don't even actively care enough of the other world that has shown inadequate interest and action towards their situation to influence their own action. They have been betrayed in some sense, they have no sense of security, so, rather than accepting the ongoing oppression and threat of death, they do something, even if it is exercise in futility. Because that is what humans do. By doing something, at least they control their own emotions. One of the few things they have been left with any control in the first place.

So, what's my point? You need to decide on that yourselves. I have seen lots of rejection on this thread. I just thought it would be beneficial for us to be able to empathize other people. We are not that different, after all.

I wish @Hexenstahl could PM me about how valid my imagination is, since they have committed to not responding to the thread, like I am 90 % because I have stated my case already.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
"What should the people do?" sometimes answer is rather nothing than something. Given that palestinians are not allowed to leave, there are no good options.
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So why does that only apply in one direction? What does slaughtering 1000+ innocent civilians have to do with anything other than stirring up more trouble? Why do these people get a free pass and excused for their actions?
Pissed_and_messed said:
If I try to imagine palestinian mindset, it is largely driven by nihilistic anger for countless reasons. At least most of HAMAS guys. I guess that many of the palestinian people don't even actively care enough of the other world that has shown inadequate interest and action towards their situation to influence their own action. They have been betrayed in some sense, they have no sense of security, so, rather than accepting the ongoing oppression and threat of death, they do something, even if it is exercise in futility. Because that is what humans do. By doing something, at least they control their own emotions. One of the few things they have been left with any control in the first place.
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There's plenty of oppressed people on this planet who don't resort to butchering other innocent people as a way to express their own internal emotions. If some white guy in the west can't control himself and goes on a rampage to fulfil, in his mind, his legitimate grievances then he is rightly condemned. Mass murder is not controlling your emotions at all and excusing it under the banner of political oppression does not suffice, it is still mass murder.

One of the few things they can control is accepting, or rather rejecting, the idea of destroying Israel and Jewish people. There is a massive religious element in their thinking that is not addressed, as we can clearly see in the west with the recent massive protests (celebrations) post October 7th, an element of thinking that people in the west just refuse to confront and will actively seek out to disparage those who attempt to highlight it e.g. Tommy Robinson in the UK highlighting the 'grooming' gangs disgrace.

They haven't tried doing something because that impulse is intercepted by this religious bullshit straight away. Instead of using the donation money, and water pipes, to better themselves they instead spend it all on weaponry and just perpetuate a circle of violence that goes nowhere. I'm not interested in imagining their mindset, their mindset is deranged. Not until they realise that hatred is a spiral into death will they garner much sympathy from me.
 
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So why does that only apply in one direction? What does slaughtering 1000+ innocent civilians have to do with anything other than stirring up more trouble? Why do these people get a free pass and excused for their actions?

There's plenty of oppressed people on this planet who don't resort to butchering other innocent people as a way to express their own internal emotions. If some white guy in the west can't control himself and goes on a rampage to fulfil, in his mind, his legitimate grievances then he is rightly condemned. Mass murder is not controlling your emotions at all and excusing it under the banner of political oppression does not suffice, it is still mass murder.

One of the few things they can control is accepting, or rather rejecting, the idea of destroying Israel and Jewish people. There is a massive religious element in their thinking that is not addressed, as we can clearly see in the west with the recent massive protests (celebrations) post October 7th, an element of thinking that people in the west just refuse to confront and will actively seek out to disparage those who attempt to highlight it e.g. Tommy Robinson in the UK highlighting the 'grooming' gangs disgrace.

They haven't tried doing something because that impulse is intercepted by this religious bullshit straight away. Instead of using the donation money, and water pipes, to better themselves they instead spend it all on weaponry and just perpetuate a circle of violence that goes nowhere. I'm not interested in imagining their mindset, their mindset is deranged. Not until they realise that hatred is a spiral into death will they garner much sympathy from me.
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So Israel making laws that prevent Palestinians from owning property and voting isn't hateful? That's an interesting take
 
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