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someguyontheinternet said:
Okay?
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The babies were killed by Hamas.
The decapitation claim hasn't been verified, but it also hasn't been disproven.
Beheading is a historical custom in Islamic law and was practiced as recently as 2001.
Terrorist groups still do it.
Hamas is a terrorist group.

The claim IDF deliberately bombed a hospital full of civilians was immediately disputed. And has now been proven incorrect.

See the difference?
 
It wouldn't be the first time Israel hit hospitals or healthcare facilities which is what makes the Israeli strike believable. Where's the difference?

'"In the Gaza Strip, 19 health facilities have been damaged including destruction of the Hala Al-Shawa primary healthcare clinic”, said WHO spokesperson Dr. Margaret Harris.'
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UN urges greater aid access for Gaza, ‘intensification of mediation efforts’ to end Israel-Palestine violence

The international community must do “all it can” to de-escalate the violence in Gaza and Israel which has left hundreds dead and injured, said the UN’s political affairs chief on Tuesday, calling on all those involved in the fighting to allow for the “intensification of mediation efforts”, which...
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www.businessinsider.com

Doctors Without Borders says healthcare facilities 'cannot become targets' after Israeli forces struck a hospital and ambulance in Gaza

Doctors Without Borders says healthcare facilities "must remain a sanctuary" after Israeli forces struck a hospital and ambulance in Gaza.
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www.nbcnews.com

Another Gaza Hospital Hit by Israeli Strike; Four Dead, 40 Hurt

One patient and three visitors die after tank shell hits third floor of building that houses intensive care unit and operating rooms.
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someguyontheinternet said:
It wouldn't be the first time Israel hit hospitals or healthcare facilities which is what makes the Israeli strike believable. Where's the difference?

'"In the Gaza Strip, 19 health facilities have been damaged including destruction of the Hala Al-Shawa primary healthcare clinic”, said WHO spokesperson Dr. Margaret Harris.'
news.un.org

UN urges greater aid access for Gaza, ‘intensification of mediation efforts’ to end Israel-Palestine violence

The international community must do “all it can” to de-escalate the violence in Gaza and Israel which has left hundreds dead and injured, said the UN’s political affairs chief on Tuesday, calling on all those involved in the fighting to allow for the “intensification of mediation efforts”, which...
news.un.org news.un.org

www.businessinsider.com

Doctors Without Borders says healthcare facilities 'cannot become targets' after Israeli forces struck a hospital and ambulance in Gaza

Doctors Without Borders says healthcare facilities "must remain a sanctuary" after Israeli forces struck a hospital and ambulance in Gaza.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

www.nbcnews.com

Another Gaza Hospital Hit by Israeli Strike; Four Dead, 40 Hurt

One patient and three visitors die after tank shell hits third floor of building that houses intensive care unit and operating rooms.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Hamas hides rockets in schools.

Hamas hides weapons in mosques and hospitals.

This is a well known tactic they use, as confirmed by Israeli officials, international media outlets, and human rights organizations. The goal here is to be able to operate their terrorist activities with immunity and at the very least set the stage for future propaganda that will radicalize and recruit more terrorists.

If given ample warning to evacuate by Israel, any civilian death in those areas are the fault of Hamas.

That all being said, I have seen 0 evidence anywhere that Israel has ever deliberately targeted and intentionally killed civilians. (If you have some please post). That much can not be said for Hamas unfortunately.
 
Now you're just excusing war crimes. Every time they go after civilian targets they know they're going to hit civilians, but I guess they just have to kill children instead of sending in soldiers huh?


You'll have excuses for them killing journalists too right?

Got any excuses for Israeli police beating mourners at a funeral for the journalist the IDF killed? Or was that an accident too?

 
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pharmakos said:
If the video I saw of the rocket taking a sharp turn was real, then I think it was a genuine malfunction. I don't think Hamas has guided missiles that could do a maneuver like that so precisely.
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They have rockets, not missiles. No guidance system, just homemade propellent and a warhead essentially. Unsurprisingly a certain percentage fail and many fall right on to Gaza itself according to the IDF.

Crude homemade rockets, launched at an angle over a residential area.. "Don't try this at home, kids!".
 
mal3volent said:
The babies were killed by Hamas.
The decapitation claim hasn't been verified, but it also hasn't been disproven.
Beheading is a historical custom in Islamic law and was practiced as recently as 2001.
Terrorist groups still do it.
Hamas is a terrorist group.

The claim IDF deliberately bombed a hospital full of civilians was immediately disputed. And has now been proven incorrect.

See the difference?
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Some people don't want to see the difference because they will take one fact out of a complex information space and say, "look you got that detail wrong, therefore everything you say is a lie" to simply and easily support their cause. Because it isn't about history, facts or truth, it's about power and declaring that you are on the right side and have the power of God behind you.

God is so great, and yet God is so terrible that every human group will use God as their tool for power and use God to justify horrors like genocide.

But if stupid humans give up on God because Gods lead to death and war, humans eventually will make up new Gods to fight and die over.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Now you're just excusing war crimes. Every time they go after civilian targets they know they're going to hit civilians, but I guess they just have to kill children instead of sending in soldiers huh?


You'll have excuses for them killing journalists too right?

Got any excuses for Israeli police beating mourners at a funeral for the journalist the IDF killed? Or was that an accident too?

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Police brutality is not unique to Israel, I'm pretty sure?

I'm not excusing anything. But Israel can't allow Hamas to operate with absolute impunity. As I said, they are responsible for the civilians they put in harms way.

You thought you had proof of Israel deliberately striking a huge civilian target, but you didn't. Even after lots of people including me warned not to believe the "health officials".
 
mal3volent said:
Because that will involve many casualties as well.
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Because they can't avoid shooting civilians and journalists? 😂

How are Palestinians the most surveiled people on earth yet Israel can't stop killing civilians? Do they or do they not know the movements of Hamas and civilians?

imeu.org

Fact Sheet: Israeli Surveillance & Restrictions on Palestinian Movement | IMEU

The Israeli government closely monitors the communications and movements of millions of Palestinians in the occupied territories (West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza), who have lived under Israeli military rule since 1967, and inside Israel, making Palestinians one of the most surveilled people in...
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mal3volent said:
so you're in favor of a full on ground invasion then ?
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Absolutely, as long as they manage to avoid shooting children which I personally doubt they can

But as I've stated before, what would be even better is to stop arming Israeli settlers in the west bank, stop the laws forcing Palestinian families from their homes, and to have one state where they can live in peace but the far right nationalist Israeli government won't allow that
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Because they can't avoid shooting civilians and journalists? 😂

How are Palestinians the most surveiled people on earth yet Israel can't stop killing civilians? Do they or do they not know the movements of Hamas and civilians?

imeu.org

Fact Sheet: Israeli Surveillance & Restrictions on Palestinian Movement | IMEU

The Israeli government closely monitors the communications and movements of millions of Palestinians in the occupied territories (West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza), who have lived under Israeli military rule since 1967, and inside Israel, making Palestinians one of the most surveilled people in...
imeu.org imeu.org
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So you want them to not do air strikes and mount a ground invasion to eliminate a terrorist group that uses human shields without any civilian casualties? You think that's how war works huh?
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Yes, killing civilians is a war crime according to the Geneva conventions. It was a war crime when the US did it and it is now when Israel is doing it
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btw

"in 1977, Protocol I was adopted as an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting the deliberate or indiscriminate attack of civilians and civilian objects in the war-zone and the attacking force must take precautions and steps to spare the lives of civilians and civilian objects as possible"

You should really read up on this stuff.
 
The Geneva conventions were not instituted at the beginning of humanity

The point is that they aren't trying to avoid civilian casualties, the opposite in fact. Israel is purposely killing civilians which is what makes it a genocide

apnews.com

How international law applies to war, and why Hamas and Israel are both alleged to have broken it

Hamas and Israel have both been accused of breaking international law during their latest conflict. The rules of armed conflict are governed by a set of internationally recognized laws and resolutions, including the Geneva Conventions.
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"Prior to the recent escalation, 308 Israelis had been killed since 2008, compared to a staggering 6,407 Palestinians. An even more startling revelation is the number of injuries, with 152,560 Palestinians injured during this period, including 85,320 during demonstrations, compared to 6,307 Israelis injured."

"The battle itself is inherently unequal, with Israel as the occupying force and Palestinians as the occupied people. The stark contrast in military capabilities and global support cannot be ignored. One side is backed by the United States and powerful nations, while the other has been relegated to a state of virtual isolation, struggling to access humanitarian aid and medical supplies."

"It is an unequivocal truth that the killing of civilians is an international crime, regardless of their nationality or background, therefore we must acknowledge that Israel is not exempt from this wrongdoing."

"Human lives should never be subjected to a hierarchy of sympathy, and the suffering of civilians, whether Israeli or Palestinian, should be met with equal concern. It is time for a more balanced and just approach to resolving this enduring conflict, one that truly prioritizes the sanctity of all civilian lives involved, especially as the death toll in 2023 threatens to surpass the grim numbers of 2014."
 
mal3volent said:
btw

"in 1977, Protocol I was adopted as an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting the deliberate or indiscriminate attack of civilians and civilian objects in the war-zone and the attacking force must take precautions and steps to spare the lives of civilians and civilian objects as possible"

You should really read up on this stuff.
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That's exactly what Israel does. They claim a target is Hamas but that can be any target because as you've mentioned she ever you write off info from Palestinian sources, Hamas is the ruling party which means almost any public building is associated with Hamas
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Yes, killing civilians is a war crime according to the Geneva conventions. It was a war crime when the US did it and it is now when Israel is doing it
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What about when Hamas did it?

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