There are more Palestinian civilian deaths than Israel, MANY more
Israel is under attack
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Meanwhile, the Free Palestine crowd is silent about what's happened in Armenia probably because it's Christians
time.com
www.reuters.com
The Cultural Genocide Against Armenians
'If history is any indication, ethnic cleansing tends to be followed by all kinds of cultural destruction.'
Armenian priest fears for Karabakh's Christian heritage amid mass exodus
Father David fears for Nagorno-Karabakh's ancient Christian heritage following the defeat of the region's ethnic Armenian breakaway enclave by Azerbaijani forces.
It is the middle east killing is what goes on there, if not the jews, then the Kurds, opposition groups, other religions or their own people. It is a miserable place filled with death. Remember Syria, Isis, I could go on but I just got back from the pharmacy. To all the people cursing and shaking their fists at God, wait till you die, you will hate him even more, for all eternity
Jabberwocky
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I know, but what exactly is the point you're trying to make? That this retroactively justifies the Hamas terrorism? This whole conflict dives into dark moral waters where there is no real justification for anything.
Evil should never be justified under any circumstance, I lean on the side of moral pacifist.
There is no moral high ground when it comes to killing innocent people that pose no threat. Was the US justified in deliberately bombing and killing several million German civilians that posed zero military significance near the end of WWII?
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Jabberwocky
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Also, I'm sure someone else already brought this up, but Russia clearly had a hand in the Hamas attack. Distract NATO and the US from their war in Ukraine.
They probably didn't plan the attack, but armed them and pushed them out the door.
Rumor is Trump gave up intelligence secrets on how to get past the Iron Dome defense. Who knows if that's true or not. I wouldn't doubt it.
They probably didn't plan the attack, but armed them and pushed them out the door.
Rumor is Trump gave up intelligence secrets on how to get past the Iron Dome defense. Who knows if that's true or not. I wouldn't doubt it.
Jabberwocky
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@Zopiclone bandit sorry, late to the party, --^
pharmakos
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Accurate. Atrocities on both sides.
AlsoTapered
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Well as I posted, even Ukrainian analysts were unable to find ANY evidence of this. It's IRAN that has provided training, money and materiel.
While I'm sure Putin will seek to adjust the narrative, right now ANY evidence of Russia providing support for Hamas would be very damaging. Iran hasn't much to lose, but Russia still has a number of nations who have avoided taking side on the war in Ukraine, but IF evidence of Russia supporting a terrorist group were to surface, it would not help them.
Jabberwocky
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US/EU/NATO weapons supplied to Ukraine were found to be used in the Hamas attack.
This was spun 2 ways, one side says Ukraine sponsored the attack, the other says Russia gave weapons they seized in Ukraine to Hamas.
I haven't read much about any of this though, might be old/wrong news.
My point is to ask why you're questioning it NOW, now instead of when those thousands more Palestinians were dying
A rumour from where, Reddit?
If the CIA has that sort of information and a mole wants to pass it on, why would they even bother going through such a basket case of a politician who has the spotlight on him while being president and also when he isn't? That's ridiculous man, come on.I don't think this is entirely accurate to be honest. I'm in the UK, and both the BBC and GBNews can't even call Hamas terrorists, the police are too pussy to bust any of the incidents of direct incitement to violence or celebration of a terrorist organisation (both criminal offences), and there's an abundance of pro-Palestine commentators many of whom just pay lip service to the atrocity last week and always seem to add in a "..but.. they were kinda asking for it". It is clear that in the West there is tremendous representation, from both those with Arab heritage and white liberals you might say.
If anything I feel it is actually the other way around, which I never thought I'd say - if you asked me 15 years ago I would probably be regurgitating many of the pro-Palestine arguments against Israel. Aside from the establishment figures who are obliged to make statements about Israel's right to self determination, there is no massive public contingent of fervent pro-Israel support.. they're just another one of our allies as it were.
Also, in terms of representation, Jewish people make up about 1% of the religious population in the UK but hate crimes against them make up 25% of all hate crimes. And I think we know who is largely responsible for that figure. Then there's the whole anti-Semitism in the Labour party thing. And yet it is sort of a background thing that no one cares that much about - conversely we do everything to avoid talking about the certain rape gangs as mentioned earlier in the thread, which again is represented almost exclusively by a particular demographic.
I won't say the Israeli state doesn't lie. Of course it does. But you know, I haven't really heard our media make much of a deal about Hamas spunking all its donation money up the wall on military hardware (and top brass bank accounts), digging up the water pipes (EU funded) and using concrete to build tunnel networks, but I have heard a lot of coverage about how Israel is turning off the water and power. Like come on, at least be reasonable here.. Hamas literally destroyed their own infrastructure, and while I have sympathy for the Gazan's who will inevitably die (which is what the media is focusing on) where is the focus on their leaders who've acted like the blind religious fanatics that they are? Their leaders clearly don't give a single fuck about the civilians and planning to make Gaza a better place.
Likewise. Think I'll take you up on that.
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What's going on mal? Ya having a hard time time talking to the nitwitz?
Join the club
The nitwitz can only outdo the nitwitz
AlsoTapered
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That story has been floated MANY times - arms dealers buy from anyone who sells.
No significant number of western weapons supplied to Ukraine have been found.
If you weren't aware, Russia is DEEPLY corrupt and in every conflict, examples of seized weapons being redirected by individuals or at much lower levels of the military control have been found.
All the footage I've seen has shown Hamas using AK-47 copies but since over a dozen nations produce such weapons, nobody is saying that those weapons were produced in Russia.
I DID provide a number of links and ensures that they were from diverse sources. I don't TRUST the media but if the Bolivian, Dutch, Chinese, Australian, Indian, Pakistani, Bolivian, Nigerian, Qatari and Irish media all point to this known leakage and the fact that it's historic, it would require opposing nations to agree on a narrative - which is unlikely to say the least.
Credit me with having spent a considerable time in checking THAT story.
It would appear most people didn't even know Iran was the biggest supporter of Hamas - which has been the case for decades.
CaptnRon
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Yeah. That 6 billion we unfroze/gave back to the Iranians most likely funded a good portion of this absolute shit show.
pharmakos
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Ok so by your view if anyone lives in the west on native land i can go take their house because it's on my father's native land? I can rape and kill babies too because of it.
Like J. Edgar Hoover before Pearl Harbor, or certain people in the government who were oh so shocked by 9/11?
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