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Israel is under attack

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I still just wonder how Isreal missed this attack. It brings up too many issues, but it does make you wonder a lot of things that I haven't the time or patience to bring up.
I've heard that there's reason to believe they knew about the attack ahead of time and let it happen, so that they'd have a good excuse to escalate the conflict. Reports say Egypt and the US had reason to believe the attack was coming, hard to believe no one gave Israel the heads up.
 
Anti semitism didn't start in the late 19th century, and neither did to Jews wanting their God given homeland back.
 
Terrorist and politicians, I don't care what side your on; that is a hideous combination.
Throw in the media and it only gets uglier
 
Terrorist and politicians, I don't care what side your on; that is a hideous combination.
Throw in the media and it only gets uglier
For sure

Add 'God' into the equation and it's a million times uglier

Fuck sides. Fuck God. Fuck religion. Fuck God again.

What the fuck is wrong with the human race? Failed species, loada shite.

Media blackout for me for a few days I think, anxiety rising.
 
So haven had time to get any info other than decrypting static... somewhere around 3-4 thousand missiles exchanged so far?
I'll try to read up a bit later if time just thought 8d drop by and visit family while I have a second... working onda chaingang.
One love all
Yes all
Peace
 
yeah, and this:

Years before George W. Bush entered the White House, and years before the Sept. 11 attacks set the direction of his presidency, a group of influential neo-conservatives hatched a plan to get Saddam Hussein out of power.


The group, the Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, was founded in 1997. Among its supporters were three Republican former officials who were sitting out the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz.

In open letters to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders the next year, the group called for "the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power" and a shift toward a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam.

And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor."


That event came on Sept. 11, 2001. By that time, Cheney was vice president, Rumsfeld was secretary of defense, and Wolfowitz his deputy at the Pentagon.

The next morning — before it was even clear who was behind the attacks — Rumsfeld insisted at a Cabinet meeting that Saddam's Iraq should be "a principal target of the first round of terrorism," according to Bob Woodward's book Bush At War.

What started as a theory in 1997 was now on its way to becoming official U.S. foreign policy.
 
Israeli Intelligence Suddenly Knows Exactly Where Hamas Is

It’s interesting how last week Israel had no idea what Hamas was up to, and yet this week they know every mosque, school and hospital that Hamas is hiding in.

When you live under an empire of lies you’ll be asked to believe a lot of very stupid things. The dumbest thing we’re being asked to believe this week is that Israel’s intelligence services are simultaneously so incompetent that Saturday’s Hamas attack took them completely by surprise, but also so competent that all the buildings they’re destroying with their relentless bombing campaign on Gaza are directed solely at Hamas.

The phrase “Hamas targets” has been all over the news media the last few days in reference to the ongoing attacks on Gaza, which have as of this writing killed over 1,500 Palestinians, a third of them children.

“Israel conducts large-scale strikes on Hamas targets,” reads a CNN headline.

“Israel conducts ‘large-scale strike’ on Hamas targets,” reads the title of a segment for ABC News.

“Israel says it dropped 6,000 bombs so far against Hamas targets,” reads a report by The Washington Post.

Gosh, Israel must have really great visibility into Gaza to know that each of those 6,000 bombs was aimed “Hamas targets” and not just civilian buildings.

Where was this 20/20 vision when Hamas was preparing for an attack using motorized paragliders, drones and motorboats in an enclosed strip of land the size of Philadelphia? How did Israeli intelligence fail to detect preparations for this attack even after Egyptian intelligence warned them that it was coming? How did they fail so spectacularly that even Hamas was reportedly surprised by the scale of their operation’s success? Is it really reasonable to believe they were blind as moles to Hamas activity last week but have the eye of the eagle this week?

President Biden made some noises on Wednesday about how important it is that Israel “operate by the rules of war”, which sounded like empty cover-your-ass narrative fluff even before we heard US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan dismiss any notion of “red lines” that Israel must not cross in Gaza.

Not even mainstream empire apologists are buying it. Politico’s Andrew Ward, in an article sponsored by Lockheed Martin in which he writes that “Israel’s ferocious counterattack is easy to understand” given the severity of the Hamas attack, writes that “The Biden administration wants Israel to abide by the laws of war as it responds to Hamas’ barbaric attack, but Jerusalem doesn’t appear to be listening.”

“A flood of reports challenges Israel’s claims that it’s exercising caution,” Ward writes. “Mosques, hospitals and schools have been hit with airstrikes, as have healthcare facilities and ambulances.”

“Gazans, many of whom don’t support Hamas or its tactics, have nowhere to flee as the strip is under siege,” ads Ward. “Shrapnel has flown into seven hospitals and 10 U.N. emergency shelters. The situation has gotten so bad that the Red Cross said hospitals, already low on electricity, water and supplies, risk turning into morgues.”

Of course Israel isn’t abiding by the rules of war. They’re not even pretending to. Human Rights Watch has just issued a statement decrying Israel’s “unlawfully indiscriminate” use of white phosphorus in Gaza and in Lebanon, and an Israeli security official told the Israeli press that the IDF’s plan is to turn Gaza into “a city of tents” with “no buildings”.

This is all publicly available information, yet the western press has the gall to use the phrase “Hamas targets” when describing Israel’s bombing campaign in Gaza? I’m sorry, but that’s demented. The only reason to do something like that would be to administer propaganda.

The claim that Israel is targeting Hamas when it destroys buildings in Gaza is further undermined by the fact that Hamas would be taking shelter underground during this bombing campaign. As journalist Sharmine Narwani explained on Twitter, “Hamas cadres live underground in Gaza, which they have learned to do after countless Israeli bombing campaigns. The ONLY people being massacred in Gaza by Israeli terror planes right now are Palestinian civilians and Israeli POWs.”

In reality, both the claims that Israeli intelligence was taken by surprise by the Hamas attack and that Israel is solely targeting Hamas with its Gaza strikes are highly suspect and worthy of intense scrutiny. Israel has never been averse to killing Palestinian civilians, and there’s no reason to feel confident Israeli intelligence didn’t let the attack through in order to justify longstanding agendas like the elimination of Gaza as a Palestinian territory. Both claims can be false, but from where I’m sitting it looks highly unlikely that they’re both true.

If you want to support Israel’s bombing campaign in Gaza then go ahead, and if you want to uncritically accept the official narrative about Saturday’s attack then you do you. But don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

 
Where was this 20/20 vision when Hamas was preparing for an attack using motorized paragliders, drones and motorboats in an enclosed strip of land the size of Philadelphia? How did Israeli intelligence fail to detect preparations for this attack even after Egyptian intelligence warned them that it was coming? How did they fail so spectacularly that even Hamas was reportedly surprised by the scale of their operation’s success? Is it really reasonable to believe they were blind as moles to Hamas activity last week but have the eye of the eagle this week?
We don't have access to their intelligence so I reserve feeling one way or another about it. I have questions about their failure, in particular the border fence and festival. I find it hard to believe fanatical elements within Israel (government, Mossad, etc) itself would allow such a massacre just to purge the Gaza strip given the obvious risk of this becoming a regional war which would put Israel at great risk of being destroyed completely. It makes absolutely no sense. They could easily purge Gaza in more underhanded ways if they really wanted to, without risking annihilation.

Also just because they're bombing targets now doesn't mean they suddenly have gone from blind to 20/20 overnight, in other words just because we see the airstrikes doesn't really tell us what they did know and know now, or whether the targets they're striking are even based on good intelligence or not. All we see is the explosions and collateral damage.

There's the wider question of other state actors. Obviously Iran has been mentioned, but it might go beyond that and on both sides of the equation. There could be powers in the western sphere that are pulling strings here that we don't see or understand, especially when it comes to the intelligence world. Given all the fuckery surrounding the true causes of the world wars, which includes Israel's creation, I have always had the suspicion there is a wider geopolitical agenda at work which doesn't include the Zionists.

It's far too easy to just resort to calling Israel (and Jews) liars. Far too easy. Part of the problem is the question, 'whose empire is it?', and the automatic tendency to take the easy option of deferring to a vague Jewish world conspiracy often without even labelling it directly.
 
Interesting how political sides switch opinions on things.

Liberals and Democrats were against the US "oppressive power" killing civilians when going after terrorists in Afghanistan, but this time they're siding with the terrorists attacking the "oppressive power".

The whole damn thing is so morally convoluted I don't even care to read about it. Both sides are wrong for their current and past actions. Israel is clearly committing war crimes of greater magnitude by cutting off power and food to 2 million people. Hamas is doing sheer terrorism.

Comparing 2 evils is morally impossible sometimes.
 
I wish there would be peace in the middle east, but war has been going on in that area for thousands of years. So, I don't think there will be ever a quick solution for all that's happening any time soon. All we can do is wait for the violence to stop. The thing is that if it does stop it will only be temporary and then the violence will flare up again.
 
It's far too easy to just resort to calling Israel (and Jews) liars. Far too easy. Part of the problem is the question, 'whose empire is it?', and the automatic tendency to take the easy option of deferring to a vague Jewish world conspiracy often without even labelling it directly.
Liars and manipulators on both sides. Currently tho the media is painting Israel as without fault. It's important to recognize that both sides have committed atrocities. And so, I speak up for the side with less representation, even tho I do not support their violence.
 
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