⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

[w01fg4ng]

In America, they pretty much want to create the pronoun police to penalize people for "hate speech" which is what the 1st amendment protects. Why even want that if you're confident in your own identity? There's a lot more going on and

I think Michigan is as bad as canada now

HB 4474 would make it a felony hate crime offense to cause someone to "feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened" with words—deliberately misgendering someone, for example—subject to a potential penalty of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine

 

[Electrum1]

And why do you WANT to do that? I don't get it. It achieves nothing.

Because I believe if you are a male you grow up to be a man not a woman, and females grow up to be women, not men, and I'm not going to change that belief, and won't be forced to give up free speech to cater to the self identities of people who believe otherwise

 

[Nas47]

In America, they pretty much want to create the pronoun police to penalize people for "hate speech" which is what the 1st amendment protects. Why even want that if you're confident in your own identity? There's a lot more going on and

Here comes same things.....cause we are now colony of US....just land for NATO bases...who fucking care about people......care just like in Ukraine-demining mine fields with human units...because the millitary equipment burns with very quick temps and is more valuable than some aborigens.....but yes....here now two lesbian judge our punkrock singer(female).....for "speech of hate".....I read what she has written-there were not absolutely not any "speech of hate"The lesbians just wants some quick money.....it's so sick man......but the support of people for the singer is really big-marches,petition for her......i think,that she would win this case,just because enourmous support,that she received.....but u are right that is sad tendency of "civilized"world-suits against somebody with or without guilt......it's all about the money...at least here

 

[Droppersneck]

Detransitioner sues doctors for cutting breasts off when she was 16

Luka Hein, from Minnesota, was given the operation at 16 and claims the surgery has left her with daily pain, while the hormone drugs may have robbed her of the chance of becoming a mom.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Electrum1]

Here comes same things.....cause we are now colony of US....just land for NATO bases...who fucking care about people......care just like in Ukraine-demining mine fields with human units...because the millitary equipment burns with very quick temps and is more valuable than some aborigens.....but yes....here now two lesbian judge our punkrock singer(female).....for "speech of hate".....I read what she has written-there were not absolutely not any "speech of hate"The lesbians just wants some quick money.....it's so sick man......but the support of people for the singer is really big-marches,petition for her......i think,that she would win this case,just because enourmous support,that she received.....but u are right that is sad tendency of "civilized"world-suits against somebody with or without guilt......it's all about the money...at least here

Your country recently changed the date to join the eurozone from January 2024, to January 2025, so that's good in my opinion, gives your country an extra year to possibly decide not to join. Obviously if you join your people will get pushed to adopt more western beliefs

 

[Electrum1]

Detransitioner sues doctors for cutting breasts off when she was 16

Luka Hein, from Minnesota, was given the operation at 16 and claims the surgery has left her with daily pain, while the hormone drugs may have robbed her of the chance of becoming a mom.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Man, she looks older than 21 now, wonder if it was the hormones, or maybe just all the stress, or both

 

[Nas47]

This Eurozone....just like NATO block has very obscured future.......after a few years they simply could falling apart.New star is born in the East........God knows what would hapenned

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

the problem is that part of this lgbt societies are very involved in politics and blood money.That is main reason why i am worried about this stuff.look at this trans(forgot the name),who is part of directors of territorial deffence force in Ukraine.He is american with big tits and dressed in millitary uniform and before days or two he proclaimed openly killings of russian journalists,which by all means is true crime against all civilized values.This puppet Biden openly flirting with this society and part of this people knowing or not knowing are fully involved in war,crime and genocide.If LGBT society wants to clear their name they must be absolutely out of any political shit.How they achieve the money for their campaigns are their own busyness.....and i saying this for their own good......cause amongst them there is wonderful people.That is the main reason why i am so worried about this stuff...let's stay aside moral/religious component of this.....that is another theme......that is why that they cannot deep penetrate into more religious societies like muslim,jewish or orthodox....just because one big part of them are aggresively against God....even blaspheming....which is moreover one of the naratives of so called "neoliberals"...ok talk about democracy-let everyone peacefully express his own religious believes and sexual orientation.....not good to put more fire in this....just....trying to live for a while in peace.....till the End comes.....i really wish that..........just peace

Next they want to go after a traditional family be it two parents of any sex. The marriage and divorce rates in the Western world are very bad or so I have read, and saw friends who are in their 40s or 50s that married and divorced 2-3x none who have children. Not that if you are married to anyone you must have children.

I think that gay, bi, and trans adults should be allowed to marry the same or even opposite sex and have children by adoption, the normal way if it is possible, a surrogate parent and turkey baster, etc. but it should not be done as a spur of the moment thing, because other same sex couples they know did it and they want to for status/attention, etc. and that if you have children they and their care/well being and lives, etc. have to come first.

I have known some gay men and women who 'married' the opposite sex but it was due to being closeted, lots of denial, and major family or societal pressure and it is a sexless marriage where they adopt or foster lots of children and I guess just stay busy with their children, work, and rarely have sex with anyone of the same sex and if they do it is discreetly, and when or if they had sex with their spouse of the opposite sex it was so infrequent they could remember every single time or it was once a year or 2-3x in 5-10 years.

“The nuclear family was a mistake,” declared David Brooks back in March.

“We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure,” declared a New York City teachers union group affiliated with Black Lives Matter.

“Parent is an oppressive class,” declared Noah Berlatsky, an opinion writer published at places such as NBC and CNN.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

"very involved in politics and blood money" - I think you're confusing LGBT+ people with Republicans.

Also, there's a list of DOZENS UPON DOZENS UPON DOZENS of republicans who have been found guilty of sexually abusing children. Do you know how many drag queens have? ZERO.

There are Democrats who are paedophiles too. Harvey Milk was one. The old documentary confirms this-not the whitewashed film which only hints at it- as does the biography. He used his position of power and preyed upon gay and bisexual teen runways in SF, and in the village in Manhattan of which there were many.

Mayor Ed Murray’s cousin: He sexually abused me, too

Joseph Dyer, a younger cousin of Seattle Mayor Ed Murray, said Murray molested him in the 1970s in New York. “I have had enough,” Dyer said. “Something has got to be done.” Hours after Dyer’s accusation was made public, Murray...

www.seattletimes.com

I don't think someone being a Republican, Democrat, neither, a heterosexual, homosexual/gay, bisexual, CD/TV/TS or trans makes them a pederast or pedophile or more likely to be a pedophile.

There have been drag queens and self-identified trans, and actual trans people who are pedophiles and work in schools with students or do the weird story hour thing. I hope it isn't the majority, but the total # is not less than zero.

In the SF gay men's chorus in the song about children, multiple members of the chorus are pedophiles. People on 4chan found the public arrest records and found them on public sex offender/pedophile registry lists.

Did Convicted Sex Offender Read to Kids at Houston Public Library?

Various websites accurately reported the basic facts surrounding the conviction of Albert Alfonso Garza, who performs as "Tatiana Mala Niña."

www.snopes.com

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-library-admits-registered-child-sex-offender-participated-in-drag-queen-storytime/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a

The BBC is coming under fire for scrubbing a recent story of Andrew Way, a convicted pedophile, to remove references to his past as a drag queen performer using the stage name Miss Gin.

The publicly-funded news outlet originally titled the story about Way, who was implicated in a sting operation orchestrated by pedophile hunters as: “Ex-drag queen caught in paedophile hunters’ sting operation.”

However, hours after the original post was published, the BBC removed any reference to Way’s “drag queen” past from the title. The revised article was instead relabeled: “Man caught in pedophile hunters’ sting operation.”

Drag queen who danced for kids charged with 25 counts of child pornography

By Jonathon Van Maren In 2019, the Houston Public Library admitted that a registered child sex offender had been reading to children as part of their Drag Queen Storytime program. In 2020, UK Drag Queen Storytime tweeted out the pedophile slogan “Love has no age.” In 2021, a sponsor of Drag...

thebridgehead.ca

Central Pa. drag queen, activist charged with 25 counts of child pornography: police

He is an HIV/AIDs awareness advocate who took a job last year working with LGBTQ+ youth in Harrisburg.

www.pennlive.com

 

[nepalnt21]

jail me like in Brazil for example

wtf r u even talking about? i found something about how their highest court were making it a hate crime to discriminate or whatever, but i can't find where they will jail you for miagendering someone or... whatever. please show what you mean.

 

[Jen X]

My neighbors son is 12 and his teacher keeps pushing that he's a she because he plays violin and sings in the choir. He's also a very timid kid and don't like sports and most friends are girls. Didn't think those things were signs of your gender.

Another kid overheard and now he's getting bullied confused and depressed. He refuses to go back to school and keep asking his mother if he's really a boy because he doesn't feel like a girl.

That teacher should be fired. A normal little boy with zero trans feelings is now depressed and bullied.
Makes you wonder how schools are confusing and how many kids jump to be trans from their teacher pushing.
Crazy world we live in

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

that sounds fucked up

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Because I believe if you are a male you grow up to be a man not a woman, and females grow up to be women, not men, and I'm not going to change that belief, and won't be forced to give up free speech to cater to the self identities of people who believe otherwise

Soooo you just don't know the difference between sex and gender then?

 

[alasdairm]

won't be forced to give up free speech

should a ceo be legally allowed to say their company made $100 million profit - when it actually lost $100 million - in order to drive up the share price so their friends can make loads of money?

free speech right?

i don't like to assume but i'm guessing that you probably agree with me that shouldn't be protected?

in which case you have no problem with restricting speech. you just draw the line in a different place as some other people...

alasdair

 

[Electrum1]

Soooo you just don't know the difference between sex and gender then?

I don't buy into the belief that gender is fluid, if that's what you're asking

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

My neighbors son is 12 and his teacher keeps pushing that he's a she because he plays violin and sings in the choir. He's also a very timid kid and don't like sports and most friends are girls. Didn't think those things were signs of your gender.

Another kid overheard and now he's getting bullied confused and depressed. He refuses to go back to school and keep asking his mother if he's really a boy because he doesn't feel like a girl.

That teacher should be fired. A normal little boy with zero trans feelings is now depressed and bullied.
Makes you wonder how schools are confusing and how many kids jump to be trans from their teacher pushing.
Crazy world we live in

That's completely mental, shocking. It it's true then said teacher should not be teaching - end of, totally fucked up, imo

You state that "his teacher keeps pushing that he's a she" - can I ask - by what means does the teacher keep pushing that? How? And to who? I mean, even in the most liberal of environments, that would surley stand out as massively problematic, fucked up and totally inappropriate, no? So, if this 'keeps' happenning, how come nobody has called it out?

"Another kid overheard..." overeard the teacher talking to who? Because whoever that is, is also complicit. Also, is the kid who overheard telling the truth for certain? ...it's not the best 'evidence' is it.

No offense intended but I'm struggling to believe this (or believe it as it's been painted anyway) cos...it's just unbelievable right?

He's refusing to go back to school? I'm finding it hard to believe that your neighbour would want him to in those circumstances, I mean wtf

Something not adding up here

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I don't buy into the belief that gender is fluid, if that's what you're asking

Gender isn't technically even a thing. It's entirely in a persons mind.

 

[Jen X]

That's completely mental, shocking. It it's true then said teacher should not be teaching - end of, totally fucked up, imo

You state that "his teacher keeps pushing that he's a she" - can I ask - by what means does the teacher keep pushing that? How? And to who? I mean, even in the most liberal of environments, that would surley stand out as massively problematic, fucked up and totally inappropriate, no? So, if this 'keeps' happenning, how come nobody has called it out?

"Another kid overheard..." overeard the teacher talking to who? Because whoever that is, is also complicit. Also, is the kid who overheard telling the truth for certain? ...it's not the best 'evidence' is it.

No offense intended but I'm struggling to believe this (or believe it as it's been painted anyway) cos...it's just unbelievable right?

He's refusing to go back to school? I'm finding it hard to believe that your neighbour would want him to in those circumstances, I mean wtf

Something not adding up here

School just started and my neighbour is calling her out. the teacher has repeatedly said to the kid phrases like..." You may be trans because you gravitate towards female activities" ...." do you think you could be a girl in the wrong body?"...
Another kid heard one of the comments and you know how cruel kids can be. So he's to embarrassed to go back to school and she don't want him there either. This just happened a few days ago and the mother has already been in contact with the school board but gets the run around. She's now calling media to try to get someone to cover the story but she hasn't heard back and i doubt she will.
It does sound crazy but i'm not surprised. We have teachers who tell kids to hide things from their parents if it has to do with gender. We have nut job teachers pushing their own ideology onto kids.
Don't know what's not adding up to you when i tried to explain the best i could

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

^^^ teacher needs suspending while investigation takes place - school board cannot ignore that either surely,

Amazing that the media doesn't want to know either, surely they'd be all over something as sensationalist as that, also doesn't add up

It's getting hard to even believe one's own thoughts thesedays though, nevermind the evidence of our own eyes or what people write on a forum. 2 plus 2 doesn;t add up anymore. I have no answers though. One thing I do know is that I wouldn't be sending my kid to that school though, not until this situation is addresed to my satisfaction anyway

 

[alasdairm]

I don't buy into the belief that gender is fluid, if that's what you're asking

really? you've never met a girl who behaves more like society's idea of a boy - a tomboy, so to speak? or the opposite?

what's your opinion of, for example, somebody like dylan mulvaney? would you describe this as boyish, or manly?

just curious.

alasdair