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Was the Vaccine Designed to kill

So? It's one thing to have theoretical physicists theorize the behaviour of nuclear material, and quite another to develop the technology necessary for creating a weapon. If were just a matter of using the 'publicly available cutting age science' there would have been no need for the Manhattan project in the first place.

I don't get why you are so desperate to deny the possibility. It's a fucking possibility. Deal with it. As has already been stated the motive has always been there, historically (and at present) the military has a keen interest in such technology. Elon Musk and the WEF are openly talking about mind-machine interface technology for fucks sake. And you're honestly telling me you don't think it's a possibility that they may have already gone a little bit further than Musk's Neuralink? Get real. The military is always two steps ahead of the curve, they have to be.

They deny it because it's too frightening for their minds to consider, and because the elites have them brainwashed into thinking that considering these things makes you a conspiracy theorist = mentally unstable / crazy = sub-human.

They have people so socially conditioned that it's impossible to point out their cognitive dissonance. You can see the heuristic errors in what they say but when you point them out they call you a conspiracy theorist, and accuse you of being the crazy one.

This is why humanity will never be liberated. People are so stupid now that when they are in the presence of someone in-the-know, they think you're the stupid one. It's an idiocracy.
 
We denied nothing - we systematically proved using high-quality evidence that the facts as stated were patently untrue.
Neither of you have proved anything because all I've stated is a belief in a possibility. I never stated it was a fact, I clearly stated I don't know what is in the jab (if anything at all). All I know for sure is that this entire charade stinks and it is incredibly suspect, that something is definitely not right.. even if it only is about profiteering. That by itself is fucking evil enough.

Just because neither of you possess the imagination to accept a possibility as a possibility without requiring it to become a manifest reality first. I honestly don't understand either of you and your insistence on the idea of mind control being an impossibility. Neither of you even acknowledge the fact that this is a realm that the military are actively researching. You both seem determined to operate your position from solely within the confines of your academic understanding, which is ridiculous in itself because we don't know all there is to know - science may have already overlooked certain things or made fundamental mistakes.

You still haven't answered my question in the Dando thread btw - I never posted anything to do with GB News, so what where you referring to?
 

That's what "I will die on this hill" means. It's not a joke. It's how serious I am about not putting this stuff in my body. I would also kill myself if the state tried to conscript me into a war, or put me in prison for saying no to said war, or if I knew that my detainment would lead to torture or being put in a concentration camp. Such a decision would not be taken lightly, but my freedom to choose means everything to me. When we lose that freedom, we become little more than animals.

Yea just normal every day sane thoughts in this thread, definitely nobody that should probably see a psychologist

STFU please. I'm sane as I've been in therapy for years. I'm a trauma survivor, which includes rape, and a lot of my trauma has also been medical abuse. If the state ever raped my body by holding me down and forcing that garbage into my body, I would no longer feel safe in the world. I'd be outta here.

The right to say no is sacred. My body, my choice. People should not be giving it up their rights so easily. I'm not insane because I have different values than you do. That's another thing that's changed fast since the pandemic -- people calling each other crazy over disagreement.
 
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Yea just normal every day sane thoughts in this thread, definitely nobody that should probably see a psychologist

You're a bit arrogant and not really contributing much of substance, mostly just communicating an elevated self-image here.

Thoughts about these facts?

Is there perhaps psychological stuff underlying your need to feel superior over what you perceive to be easy targets?
 
What we have shown is that it is not a possibility with the current state of research and technology
I don't even know why I'm arguing this with you. It takes less than 30 seconds to dredge up establishment/academic websites talking about mind control technology, where it as at, and where it is going. For example:

We Are Tremendously Close to Brain-Controlled Computers - Interesting Engineering
Sakhrat Khizroev — an engineer at the University of Miami — has developed magnetoelectric nanoparticles (MENPs) that can travel through human bloodstreams, penetrate the human brain, and read subtle signals from your neurons — and transmit them to an external computer device in a helmet.
This is exactly what I suggested in my possibility yesterday, sending particles into the brain and using them to form a 'web' that can form the basis of a wireless interface. The only thing missing from this particular methodology is wireless transmission at distance (subject wears a helmet) and the ability to write/influence neuron activity.

That is one guy. One research project (DARPA funded by the way). My possibility is not 'lightyears' away from reality when this guy can already do half of my 'sci-fi' proposal! And if this research project has come this far already, you mean to tell me you don't think the military hasn't already advanced the technology further out of public view? They may have already cracked transmission at distance and influencing neuron activity. Some other projects may have already mapped neuron activity to drive certain behaviours, others on using AI and computing to do X and Y in relation to that, etc.

It's clearly not as far fetched as you keep asserting, and really not a giant leap to see how all these particular branches of research could be combined and weaponized.
 
If you had read the details on how it works and what it might be able to do you would realize that it isn't that big of a step over what we already have. We already have noninvasive methods to control computers using EEG signals but we still don't understand what any of the signals really mean besides some of them at the motor cortex and and the auditory and visual processing areas. That's what prosthetics like cochlear implants and the mind controlled prosthetic arms are based on.

We already have computer interfaces like that and an invasive one like what you posted and what Elon is doing is exactly what I said earlier, barely a slight improvement on what already exists. It's just an invasive version and here you are somehow thinking that means they understand the brain in it's entirety and can even do input into the brain? LOL
 
You're a bit arrogant and not really contributing much of substance, mostly just communicating an elevated self-image here.

Thoughts about these facts?

Is there perhaps psychological stuff underlying your need to feel superior over what you perceive to be easy targets?
Someone needs to push back on the nonsense or it becomes an echo chamber and bullshit ideas get reinforced and spread

This includes pointing out delusions of persecution

Do you think the speculation that the vaccines are mind control delivery devices are contributions of substance? How about the ideas that one is being persecuted and they have suicide backup plans?
 
Someone needs to push back on the nonsense or it becomes an echo chamber and bullshit ideas get reinforced and spread

This includes pointing out delusions of persecution

Do you think the speculation that the vaccines are mind control delivery devices are contributions of substance? How about the ideas that one is being persecuted and they have suicide backup plans?

They talked about possibilities they've been worrying about. No-one was speaking in certainties.

Belittling and simplifying other people's humble concerns based on tentative extrapolation of massive unprecedented global events and power displays is not some noble fight against "echo chambers". Rather, it discourages open discussion and encourages silence, polarization and migration to said echo chambers.
 
Some of those concerns are so far outside the realm of being realistic that it needs to be discussed. They're conspiracy theories which are actually used to control the populace and keep them fearing the boogyman rather than some mythical nano particle that controls your thoughts. The people giving into and spreading conspiracy theories are the ones who are actually being controlled

How would you approach open discussion in this context?
 
If you had read the details on how it works and what it might be able to do you would realize that it isn't that big of a step over what we already have. We already have noninvasive methods to control computers using EEG signals but we still don't understand what any of the signals really mean besides some of them at the motor cortex and and the auditory and visual processing areas. That's what prosthetics like cochlear implants and the mind controlled prosthetic arms are based on.
So now that I've demonstrated that my possibility of a neural interface via injectable chemicals isn't actually 'lightyears' away, you immediately flip-flop and just act like it's no big deal and try to swing the discussion to another area you consider to be an impossibility. You are unbelievable.
It's just an invasive version and here you are somehow thinking that means they understand the brain in it's entirety and can even do input into the brain? LOL
An undetectable (by a subject) nanoparticulate solution that can be injected or ingested is really stretching the definition of invasive.

You really do lack imagination don't you. They don't need to understand every little detail of the brain or on a person-to-person basis either. All they need is to be able to read in real-time neuron activity (done), put that data through a sophisticated enough computer system that can analyse that data in conjunction with other data already known about the subject, have the computer look for repeating patterns in neural activity perhaps in conjunction with other real-time data (watching screens that show certain imagery), and build up a map. That data can then be combined with data on other subjects and mined for patterns.

Do you honestly think given the insane amount of computing hardware possessed by the NSA/GCHQ and their corporate drones like Google, Amazon, etc, that they couldn't possibly pull something like that off? If they can tailor your search results on google/youtube to the point where it already feels like it is reading you mind, just by processing your digital fingerprint, then it's not a massive leap to see how these same hardware/software architectures could be used to look for patterns in neural data.

You don't need to be able to do mind control to the extent making a person hallucinate a highly specific scene, solve a Rubix cube in under 60 seconds, or have really complex behaviours/thoughts on demand. If you can figure out how to elicit emotional states in the target you can drive behaviour like Pavlov's dog, which I would argue is what they would be looking to do because it is more subtle than having random thoughts and commands pop into your mind.
Someone needs to push back on the nonsense or it becomes an echo chamber and bullshit ideas get reinforced and spread. This includes pointing out delusions of persecution
Some of those concerns are so far outside the realm of being realistic that it needs to be discussed. They're conspiracy theories which are actually used to control the populace and keep them fearing the boogyman rather than some mythical nano particle that controls your thoughts. The people giving into and spreading conspiracy theories are the ones who are actually being controlled
Why do you personally feel the need to push back on what I originally, and clearly, stated was just a possibility that informed my decision not to have the vaccine? What does it matter to you? I'm not going around scaring people, chopping down 5G towers, or even really discussing these sorts of matters except with those who are already on the same wavelength. On my list of possibilities regarding the vaccine the mind-control one is behind several others in terms of importance and plausibility even, it's not at the top.

Nowhere has anything close to resembling 'delusions of persecutions' been written. If you think having concerns about the establishment/military being willing to persecute populations is paranoid, that's short-sightedness and ignorance on your behalf really - do you want me to get out a history book for you and walk you through my thought process on that one?

Just because David Icke etc came out swinging with his wild ideas doesn't mean just entertaining a possibility is automatically a raging conspiracy theory or that I'm being controlled. It doesn't consume my personality, I don't go around testing graves for Bluetooth connections like some Icke follower actually told me they did. It is possible to reach certain thoughts independently you know?
 
Still waiting for my WINTER OF SEVERE ILLNESS AND DEATH that Biden promised me if I didn't get vaccinated.

Actually I just went through 3 weeks of antibiotics to kill an H Pylori infection that I had for like a year. H Pylori is technically contagious & can destroy your stomach & even lead to stomach cancer... But I don't see anyone taking precautions over infecting others with H Pylori. Because people are hypocrites & only care about what their favorite political parties care about.
 
No it's exactly what I said it was in the same sentence when I called Elon Musk a dumbass, a minor improvement on what we already have and what we already have does not include input to the brain which is exactly what is required for mind control. That's a pretty critical piece, it's actually the whole thing

How do you propose controlling someone's mind without input? The input we do have for hearing and visual prosthesis is extremely rudimentary, just ask anyone with a cochlear implant how well they can hear compared to before they lost their hearing

Politicians already control your emotions when they make you scared of things, it's their whole schtick. Just look at all the fear porn on Fox news
 
How do you propose controlling someone's mind without input? The input we do have for hearing and visual prosthesis is extremely rudimentary, just ask anyone with a cochlear implant how well they can hear compared to before they lost their hearing
If a nanoparticulate web can electronically read and transmit neural output, which is already there according to that research project, it's not a huge step to envision that it could be used to drive neural activity via electronic excitation. I don't understand your logic of disbelief when the first half of the equation (reading) has already been solved.
Politicians already control your emotions when they make you scared of things, it's their whole schtick. Just look at all the fear porn on Fox news
Yes, it works, and it's a broad brush approach. If you could electronically, wirelessly, elicit the same emotional responses on demand then that is an order of magnitude more efficient/dangerous. You wouldn't need subjects to be watching TV, drinking alcohol, and all the other ways in which they hook into your psychology to drive your behaviour in a certain direction. They could just push a button and you probably wouldn't even be aware it is happening, as you would mistake the emotional state as being your own internal response. They could essentially 'geofence' your psychology by pushing/pulling your emotional state depending on what activity you are engaged in, in real-time.

Some political dissident is planning an attack, for example, which they observe from using other surveillance data. Well, now they could emotionally neuter the target into passivity so they are less motivated to follow through on their plan. Or perhaps they require a segment of the population to be driven in a certain direction, say regarding climate change for example, one that would be antithetical to their own values and motivations. Instead of that group resisting change they could now ameliorate feelings of distrust and resistance by again evoking certain emotions.

That's the danger I see. Not literal control to the point where a computer is doing all your thinking for you so you are a Borg, but rather just playing off the existing psychology of the person and managing it.
 
Reading has not been solved, we can only detect increases in activity. That's far different from actually decoding the information in a neuronal network and understanding how the computations work. This has been my entire point and you don't seem to get it. How simple do you think neurons are? Computer scientists don't even understand how artificial neural networks work and those in their current form barely touch on the computational complexity of a single biological neuron!

We definitely don't understand how to influence emotions or how they even work. Do you think depression would be a problem if we did? Do you think that mental disorders of nearly all sorts wouldn't be solved overnight if we actually understood these things at even the most rudimentary level? We don't even know why ketamine helps depression!

An even bigger question is why on earth would they need a new vaccine to introduce something like that, there are a bunch of vaccines that we already get from birth. It just doesn't make sense
 
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What BBB implant thing @Mjäll

If you're talking about the nanoparticle thing I directly addressed in in an earlier post here:

"If you had read the details on how it works and what it might be able to do you would realize that it isn't that big of a step over what we already have. We already have noninvasive methods to control computers using EEG signals but we still don't understand what any of the signals really mean besides some of them at the motor cortex and and the auditory and visual processing areas. That's what prosthetics like cochlear implants and the mind controlled prosthetic arms are based on."
 
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