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Are you "sober passing"?

kiely said:
Remember that baseball player that pitched a no hitter on a hit of acid !! I forgot his name right now. But that was outstanding.
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As far as stories about drugs go, this is definitely one of my all-time favorites. I talk about it a lot with people when first discussing my psychedelic use with them. It helps people understand the whole "you're at peace and things make more sense" when you tell them about a pitcher spontaneously throwing a no-hitter on LSD.
 
Until a moment ago I had no idea if a 'no-hitter' constituted a very good or a very BAD thing. I see it constitutes utter humiliation for the opposing team.

I suppose he have out NONE of the expected signs or signals, might have been staring in one direction BUT not actually LOOKING but rather enjoying the light show and the pitchers non-verbal communication would be impossible for anyone to read.

Are people aware that the US Navy has accepted that they have a serious drug problem? No opioids, no stimulants but hallucinogens? I suppose they are easy to conceal, harder to detect chemically and don't produce the sort of behavior an officer of the US Navy would recognize.

In fact, I seem to remember Spalding Gray discussing his meeting with a serving Naval OR who mentioned that he had been introduced to the then-president Ronald Reagan? SG asked 'how was it?' and the OR laughed and said 'I have NO IDEA, I was tripping my face off that day'.

It might not have been SG but it WAS on a DVD that I own (which narrows it down) and I know I watched it several timed (which narrows it down still further).

If anyone can remember what film I was watching, I would most certainly appreciate you reminding me.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
this is not really proven case and most likely just bullshit, people have made very hasty conclusions from very vague data and legend has born.
Which makes sense because the tetradoxin apparently has not any activity that should render it recreational, and while there is maybe little wiggle room, lets go back to the data which does not really imply that would be the case.
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Koalas get high on eucalyptus which is all they eat. lol and 90 percent of them have clymidia, they also sleep like 22 hours a day. The hedonists of nature.

If this is bullshit too let me know. I have no knowledge on the dolphin thing.

I absolutely think altered mindstates are part of the life experience. Possibly stunted evolution a bit. (Ok I dont know how much I buy into that last thing but sounds possible).

Lol I am not. When I was in college I had 4 seperate professors keep me after class and ask me if I was as fucked up as I looked every day and if so how was I passing. I just shrugged and laughed. On the other hand I had a probation officer that said she saw a giant change in me and i definitely didn't go so fucked up that if I went to jail at least i'd be riding a heavy buzz so .........who the hell knows.

can fool most of the people most of the time forsure.
 
I think I exist somewhere inbetween obvious and not obvious. People who do drugs can tell I do drugs, but people who don't never seem to suspect it. Even when I'm visibly intoxicated but trying to hold it together. I live with my grandmother and she doesn't know, though I do wonder how much of that is willful ignorance. But I hold down a job and always have. I did get fired from a bank call center once, but I was pretty much actively trying to get fired because I hated it. I was coming down off meth regularly while at work and would want to go home, so I'd just like "fall" into a printer or something and break it. After like four "broken items" incidences they required a drug test, which I failed. I go about my business, never really harassed by strangers or police (though I am white, so that helps on that front).

My life isn't amazing. I live with my grandmother (though, it's to help her with things and keep her company, I do make enough to get my own place) and have little life outside of drugs. No real friends or anything. Most people would probably think of my life as a failure, but I also struggle with various mental health issues and I'm happy with how far I've come. I'm doing better than I ever have before in my life. And on that note, I think most people just think I'm a depressed loser, not a druggie loser. So technically sober passing? Lmao
 
jasperkent said:
Mom would have no idea what "straight edge" means. She's 93. And believe me, she was extremely judgmental and hostile towards me for many years before we got to the point of being able to have a civil conversation.
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I don't know if it's 'typical' but it seems like every 'straight-edge' follower (if that is the correct term) seems to sport a tattoo declaring the fact.

Anyway - I've never seen a MAXIMUM age in a tattoo parlour (is parlour still the term used?).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-14802369

Check out the above link. An 81 YO lady had DNR (do not resuscitate) tattooed across her neck and since this is a story from the UK, the elderly also tend to be POOR and so on her back she had tattooed PTO (please turn over).

You could NOT make it up....
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Nobody is a functional junkie forever it eats every last one of use alive in the end don’t kid yourself.

I’m extremely successful in academia and my career after. I’m just in the phase where the drugs haven’t totally destroyed me and I’ve been in that space comfortably for 20 years…it’s a space where I don’t often abuse any drugs at all anymore. Everything is legal and prescribed…it still takes a toll over the years tho. But I know that a day will come where I open the flood gates once again and fentanyl at el will consume everything.


it’s gonna catch up with me one day. It already is. Once your kidneys don’t work anymore your addiction won’t be a secret to anyone.

Here’s a really good story on the topic. Silicon Valley high powered scientist turned IP lawyer. Made it to partner making 2M per year. His time came eventually. This is a great read on this topic

Anyway it’s paywalled. But he passed for a while then everyone knew he was on drugs but was making the firm so much money nobody cared. Was an IV coke user shooting 8K worth of coke per month

www.nytimes.com

The Lawyer, the Addict (Published 2017)

A high-powered Silicon Valley attorney dies. His ex-wife investigates, and finds a web of drug abuse in his profession.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com


I think a more important question whether someone is passing or successful or not is. "Is this shit worth it?" All the sickness the fucking misery the health and mental issues. What the fuck is there to be proud of? We are sick people coping with a reality we can’t handle in a destructive way. It’s like being disabled in someway yet still successful. It’s not fun. It’s not a flex. It’s a fucking nightmare.

My wife just got back from an international vacation without me. I haven’t been on vacation in like 3 years because I’m so sick from drugs and all the damage that I don’t enjoy normal things like vacation so I don’t even go. Not any thing to flex about

I would trade all my success and accomplishments and family and even a limb to not be a drug addict.
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It wasn't a flex. It was a question. A topic. Trust me, if I could go back in time and trade my addiction to be happily sober, I would. Sorry if it came off as a flex. It legitimately wasn't. I just thought this was a safe place to discuss drug culture and circumstances surrounding drug addiction. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Keif' Richards said:
As far as stories about drugs go, this is definitely one of my all-time favorites. I talk about it a lot with people when first discussing my psychedelic use with them. It helps people understand the whole "you're at peace and things make more sense" when you tell them about a pitcher spontaneously throwing a no-hitter on LSD.
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My sister's BF used to be a regular acid user and in one discussion he remembered realizing that all liquids have a 'surface tension' and since that day, 40 years ago, whenever he touches a solid, he gently applies pressure to it to 'test' it's surface tension.

In all other respects he seems totally normal.

I had known the guy for 12 years before he explained it.

I'm not brave enough to ask him if he's tested Candy's (my sister) 'surface tension'.

She just leaves us to talk about that stuff. I know she tried hash in yoghurt while at university (so, like 24 years ago) and had a whitey and hasn't touched anything stronger than the occasional glass of wine since then...

BUT she doesn't judge me. One ex-friend decided she didn't like me because I took MDMA when I was 18.... 34 years ago, 22 years before I met her. I think it says more about her than it does about me.
 
cosmic charlie said:
Im really good at hiding my drug use when im out and about, for the most part. Use dissociatives pretty heavily and i will take pretty massive doses when i wake up in the afternoon. Sometimes i will redose an hour or so before i leave to goto work for the night. By the time i get there after my commute im generally at the end of my peak, im still able to cook my orders just fine so nobody ever says shit to me.

Im also a really big dude and i dont take shit from anybody so i think that they are also abit intimidated by me so that keeps them from questioning me as well. Thankfully i dont have to hide my drug use from my girlfriend so i get completely blasted when im around her sometimes.

She had actually kept me from getting into sketchy situations in public a couple times when i holed while we were driving and then went to get out of the car in a walking hole on FXE and her little 5 foot as dragged me back to the car and put me in my seat. When i started coming down she was like wtf Charlie, i guess we arent shopping today.

And then we drove home, lol. One time we were in this store shopping and i picked up a Christmas Tree and put it on my shoulder and was walking thru the aisles turning about almost knocking stuff over, she rushed us out of the store that time as well. So id say its half and half, when im working im generally fine if i dont dose while im there.

But on my day off when im really going for it i have been known to do some wacky shit in public. One time i walked into Walmart singing a Kiss song at the top of my lungs on 3-MeO-PCE. Got everyone's attention and was followed by security and went into some ladies cart took out a clock and threw it over my shoulder...she got pissed.

Then walked up to a father and soon and told the kid its not fault your father dropped outta school and i became a wizard, they looked so confused. Think i was having a conversation in my head. Then i walked up to this dude in an army uniform and i hugged him, he then proceeded punch me in the throat and i dropped to the ground gasping for air.

That was when security apprehended me and had the police take me to the psych ward

obviously im a little crazy 😵‍💫
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No offense for laughing, but your Walmart trip had me rollin'. XD
 
Juicewrldfan said:
Exactly, I recently was convinced to go to inpatient substance abuse treatment and I’m actually out on pass now which is how I have my phone, but they told me I had adhd and told me that if I don’t take the meds then I have a higher chance of relapse. I was leery of it because idk if I really buy that I have adhd and I was leery of being given a prescription for adhd meds but I made a non negotiable with myself that if I am going to take them that I will only take them as prescribed and I have so far. I haven’t cheeked any or anything to get high. I used to do meth by the way and they know that so imagine my surprise when they wanted to prescribe me stimulants.

To my surprise the vyvanse actually does help and I haven’t had any cravings for the meth analogue since starting about 2 months ago. Anyway, I just wanted to say that setting that boundary with myself to only ever take meds as prescribed and it’s a non negotiable for me was empowering. I realize the real test comes when I complete inpatient next week and am home BUT I’m also giving my mother the medication to dispense to me and she lives in a completely different house that is like a fortress, just in case I get a stupid thought and don’t play the tape thru. Doesn’t hurt to have protections in place. I don’t even know if you can abuse vyvanse if you used to do meth and I am also not going to try to find out.
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So they gave you stimulants despite your history with meth? I suppose it's not entirely weird, given they give out methadone and subs for people with chronic opioid addiction. I hear some places will even administer heroin in a controlled environment as a last result option for addicts who failed to recover with other methods.
 
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AlsoTapered said:
EMPOWERING - what an excellent choice of wording. I don't watch the clock so maybe sometimes I take a dose 30 or 60 minutes late... but when I misused drugs, it's as if my body clock KNEW the moment a dose was due.

I think I previously mentioned that I thought Vyvanse was a really god idea (like simply taking Oxycontin as prescribed). Because their is a significant time difference between when you take the medication and when it begins working, the brain loses that unconscious urge to take something because it's not like moments later it will hit you.

MAYBE a treatment for cocaine dependence is a modified version of cocaine that is orally active but has a much slower onset and longer duration? Ritalin and various other stimulants have been tried but we now know that cocaine causes physical dependence so those substitutes... won't.
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I can vouch for your statement. If I don't take my oxy dose EXACTLY 24hrs from my last, the discomfort sets in right away.
 
Jennn said:
ive tried to score dope and been called a narc from my appearance, 40yr old woman in good shape and definitely don't look or speak like an addict . I have a degree in engineering and always kept in shape. i definitely don't look like someone on drugs..quite the opposite. People see a woman in their 40's in great shape and assume i'm a narc. Going to a doctor with my education/looks was so easy to keep my opioid script . Hindsite i wish i was cut off, would have saved years of addiction/wd's. I know lawyers and government officials that are major coke heads but society seems to judge on appearances.
I could talk myself into 3 "lost" hydromorph scripts and my doctor just believes me, because i don't look the part
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As a 33 year old woman with no fashion sense but keeps up with a 5-day a week exercise routine at home, I can definitely say keeping fit and maintaining good hygiene definitely helps folks to fly below the radar.
 
AlsoTapered said:
Truth Jenn. My home was burgled and the doctor is CONVINCED I made the whole story up because I was abusing Oxycontin. I've been on it for years and I've never lost a single pill, never asked for an increase and never asked for a refill early.

But while I'm severely disabled, the same accident smashed out most of my top row of teeth and since I have epilepsy I cannot go to an NHS dentist. Either I have to wait for 8 years for a dental surgeon or I have to pay...

BUT if you are unable to work due to disability, you aren't allowed to save! Really. You can lose all of your benefits if you have more than £6000 (the surgery costs £12000).

So I LOOK dodgy but you would think that having been with the same doctor for over 12 years, they might have had a bit of faith in me.

Actually, I'm pretty sure I'm being punished so they can get me to move. The way UK doctors work is they get £615/year per enrolled patient (even if that patient NEVER goes to the surgery and is always well). My surgery took on a STACK of people for the short-term money and discovered a lot of them actually needed treatment.

THEY don't pay for the treatment - they bill the central government but they want a huge number of patients who NEVER EVER interrupt their profit-making scheme.
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Your doctor sounds like a heartless jerk, and of course most governments are undeniably crooked. Say, your UK government sounds a lot like the Sacklers here in the States. At one point, they were so successful, they had sales reps pushing oxycontin to docs--using whatever means necessary. It worked (if you wanna see an in depth look at how it became an empire, Dopesick or Painkiller is worth a watch). Even where I'm from in my rinky-dink Texas/Oklahoma region, there was a point where doctors would practically give you whatever you wanted. Not anymore though. They'll pull your script over mere suspicion now. But back in the golden age of Purdue pharma, even our area had a doc that would give you practically whatever you'd ask for--that is, until he got busted.
 
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AlsoTapered said:
My sister's BF used to be a regular acid user and in one discussion he remembered realizing that all liquids have a 'surface tension' and since that day, 40 years ago, whenever he touches a solid, he gently applies pressure to it to 'test' it's surface tension.

In all other respects he seems totally normal.

I had known the guy for 12 years before he explained it.

I'm not brave enough to ask him if he's tested Candy's (my sister) 'surface tension'.

She just leaves us to talk about that stuff. I know she tried hash in yoghurt while at university (so, like 24 years ago) and had a whitey and hasn't touched anything stronger than the occasional glass of wine since then...

BUT she doesn't judge me. One ex-friend decided she didn't like me because I took MDMA when I was 18.... 34 years ago, 22 years before I met her. I think it says more about her than it does about me.
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I wouldn't want friends who are that judgemental anyhow. You're better off without people like that in your life. Judging you for something you did when you were still a teen? Yeah, I'd tell her to kick rocks.
 
FunctionalJnkieGrl said:
So they gave you stimulants despite your history with meth? I suppose it's not entirely weird, given they give out methadone and subs for people with chronic opioid addiction. I hear some places will even administer heroin in a controlled environment as a last result option for addicts who failed to recover with other methods.
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I can only speak of UK doctrine but in the BNF section on 'strong opioids' it notes that a patient should be given such a medication if their is clinical needs, regardless of any record of opioid abuse.

BUT then the BNF doesn't EVER mention pain in conjunction with strong opioids. The context for their use is 'unacceptable suffering'.

I guess that's why we use 1/10th as many opioids per capita than the US. Either a serious injury where shock might kill and basically palliative care. Now hospital doctors won't give opioids to dying patients in case the coroner concludes that the drug hastened death. So dying people ALL want to go home or to a hospice where they CAN get the analgesia (and freedom from anxiety) they need.

Specifically diamorphine (heroin) is used BECAUSE it gets the patient high.

We have ODD rules.
 
Keif' Richards said:
As far as stories about drugs go, this is definitely one of my all-time favorites. I talk about it a lot with people when first discussing my psychedelic use with them. It helps people understand the whole "you're at peace and things make more sense" when you tell them about a pitcher spontaneously throwing a no-hitter on LSD.
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There was an NFL lineman that did mushrooms and adderall every game.

Odd combo but he said it out him in beast mode or something.
 
That IS a strange combination. adderall I can imagine being considered a performance enhancing drug... but mushrooms?

Everyone is different - maybe he takes a low dose which is energizing more than anything else?
 
AlsoTapered said:
Are people aware that the US Navy has accepted that they have a serious drug problem? No opioids, no stimulants but hallucinogens? I suppose they are easy to conceal, harder to detect chemically and don't produce the sort of behavior an officer of the US Navy would recognize.
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ah... so that's why they have so much proof of their UFO sightings.

must be some interesting discussions up on the bridge...

SIR, I THINK I'M PEAKING, SIR!
I see it too, petty officer. Mark the time, we'll check the footage before we report this.
YES SIR!
Bottle of rum that it's not the acid?
BET, SIR!
 
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