EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

[Bleaney]

I've just come across some info on the effect benzos have on dopamine.

The first article I read stated that Benzos reduce the amount of dopamine in the brain, and the 2nd article said that benzos release massive amounts of dopamine. And the more that you are dependant or addicted to them, the more dopamine they release.

So it looks like it's going to be a complicated matter to get at least some understanding of.

I guess at the end of the day, whether they are dopamine boosting, or dopamine depleting, as someone with potential ADHD, I should probably be avoiding them due to the effects they can have on cognition, which may end up being indistinguishable from many of the symptoms of ADHD.

If only it was that straightforward though, for anxiety also massively fucks up cognition, as does social rejection and ridicule when your neuro-divergent camouflage isn't sufficiently chameleon-like to hide your neuro-divergence. (It's not just a convenient way of excusing and forming any denial of any dependency - but they really do seem to help me massively with my blending in.)

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

what I have gathered it depends what part of brain you are looking at (+most definitely addiction is factor as you said). Benzos generally slow down neuronal signaling, also dopaminergic, but that also can lead to suppressing inhibition of dopamine release apparently.

 

[axe battler]

Bensedins are underdosed, I agree but mostly it’s diazepam, others are more often different substance what I’ve noticed it

The best thing to do would be to look up Diazepam on Wedinos. That way you could go through all the Diazepam that was submitted to them recently and see what it has been testing as.

Most submissions include a photo of the blister pack.

That's probably going to be a far better picture of the state of affairs than the couple of random member replies you might get to your post.

Agree with both ^^
Also I find it's best to go with more obscure brands from Asia or the middle east rather than Roche or accord or Teva and now unfortunately bensedin (which now I'd avoid like the aids). If you're very experienced you can taste them but that's not perfect of course. Safest option is buy a single strip and send one or half of one to wedinos.

 

[Forever Changes]

With Benzos I send a pill from *every* strip to Wedinos, even if it's from the same source. It's a bit of a hassle, but better safe than sorry considering how many are faked. And you can send more than one sample in the same envelope provided each is attached to a separate form and has a separate code

 

[opiofr3k]

Agree with both ^^
Also I find it's best to go with more obscure brands from Asia or the middle east rather than Roche or accord or Teva and now unfortunately bensedin (which now I'd avoid like the aids). If you're very experienced you can taste them but that's not perfect of course. Safest option is buy a single strip and send one or half of one to wedinos.

And i agree with you, more “exotic” country less chance to get fakes. Once I’ve bought on darkweb Clonazepam from Philippines if I remember with taste of banana and they were sound as fuck

 

[Forever Changes]

The best thing to do would be to look up Diazepam on Wedinos. That way you could go through all the Diazepam that was submitted to them recently and see what it has been testing as.

Most submissions include a photo of the blister pack.

That's probably going to be a far better picture of the state of affairs than the couple of random member replies you might get to your post.

Is it just me or do photos of submissions to Wedinos not show up any more?

https://www.wedinos.org/sample-results

 

[opiofr3k]

same issue here, it's like that for a while

 

[elgoucho9]

Had a chilled evening on a combination of loose cali gelato cake and some Martin dowes Roches which imo are the blues about just now in the UK. Also had 2 x 2.5mg lorazepam and 300mg pregablin. Feeling very nice and relaxed just now. All the pain i was feeling for days is completely gone ✌

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[elgoucho9]

Couple of Wedinos results in

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Wedinos results showing there are still good Bensedins about. The Martin Dows seem to have surpassed the Bensedins both in quality and in preference with most people, seeing more of them about lately.

Still advised be careful as I've seen other people's results with the bensedins containing RC benzos.

 

[opiofr3k]

Bensedins mostly are real diazepam, just underdosed.

 

[elgoucho9]

Bensedins mostly are real diazepam, just underdosed.

Debatable if you look them up on wedinos. Plenty batches tested positive with RC benzos in them.

 

[opiofr3k]

yeah but still major of them are diazepam. Bigger problem is with Kerns, bromazolam very often

 

[axe battler]

Kerns used to be the shit. I loved them. Shame they're all fakes nowadays. Kern do round 2mg alprazolam too, with a 4 way break line, which I never used iirc. I just munched them for a second then stuck them under my tongue to melt. Then I would

 

[opiofr3k]

I would still keep away from Kerns, too big lotterty

 

[elgoucho9]

Anyone know the best way to get the most out of 1 x 10mg martin dow? I'm trying to settle a wicked comedown from the weekend and just found 10mg under the bed.

 

[steewith2ees]

Anyone know the best way to get the most out of 1 x 10mg martin dow? I'm trying to settle a wicked comedown from the weekend and just found 10mg under the bed.

Probably a bit late now for a response but, notwithstanding buccal midazolam (or of course, injectable BZD derivatives which aside from lorazepam, are not for IM use due to the erratic absorption associated with such ROA's), the best way IMO to get the optimal effect from any of these drugs is by eating them. Typical medicines containing BZD derivs. as well as similar designer RC's, whether presented as a powder or as pre - dosed pellets and blotters, are about as effective as they can be when taken orally.

As someone who's regular access to the sale of supernumerary Rx clonazepam has been somewhat up in the air over recent months, as well as the continental European based pharmacist from whom I have been able to get everything aside from midazolam or temazepam (I only specify the absence of these drugs as they are the AI in commonly prescribed UK medicines, as opposed to say flunitrazepam or nimetazepam which I have never been able to access).

As a result of this I took a chance on another source whom I have successfully used 4 or 5 times in the last 12 months. As well as providing me with quick and handy access to 2mg clonazepam tablets I have also purchased a months supply of 10mg diazepam as part of the previous 3 orders which they supply in 4 or 5 different flavours, from UK boxes of 28 generics (from the likes of Teva or Activis) or, slightly more cheaply, international generics containing 30 pills such as the Kern Prodes and the like. Having typically plumped for the Galenika 'Bensedin', I was somewhat surprised when, following my last shopping trip with them 3 or 4 weeks ago, my package arrived with an apology - unable for whatever reason to ship my 30 Bensedin's within the 24 hour shipping guarantee they provide they stated they had instead had to swap my product but, in an attempt to address the 'inconvenience' they had include an extra strip of 10 pills. So, instead of receiving the Bensedin, a product that seems to be currently the target of counterfeiters, they provided me with 40 10mg Martin Dow 'Valium' diazepam tablets which I have to say I cannot complain about.

So, even after all of this my usual Rx was available to buy (100 UK generic 0.5mg clonazepam tablets) along with a (UK) months course (28 tablets) of generic, domestic 5mg Nitrazepam tablets. To say the next few weeks should be anxiety free is somewhat of an understatement, especially considering I am taking a forced tolerance break from all of them before my next DSP OPA on the 15/8.

Fin.

 

[elgoucho9]

Yeah I read some madness saying insniffulated benzos had higher BA but seemed like rubbish sniffing pressed valium pills surely wouldn't work.

Had 10mg last night potentiate with 4 cans of peroni.

Mate gave me a few bensedins earlier but seemed to do fuck all. Weak as fuck. Its like the martin dows give a glow like what I remember Diaz should be like. The bensedins seem even when they're good to be a poorer synth of Diaz or something if you ask me.

 

[Bleaney]

Yeah, as Steve said above, The BA for benzos is generally much better just swallowing them. Many of them probably will have some effect crushed and snorted, but it will be a lower BA and less efficient ROA.

I have never heard of any reliable reports stating that the BA of any benzo is higher when snorted.

 

[AlsoTapered]

If you old a benzo under your tongue and let it dissolve, effects begin within 60 seconds. I've used it for 'rescue' when myoclonic jerks hit me hard,

 

[Bleaney]

My benzo taper is going so much better and easier this time round, compared to my previous one a few years ago.

I think there are 2 main reasons for this.

1. - My starting point that I began reducing from, and my duration of any heavy use, is so much less that it was the last time round. Around 2mg of etiz or clonazepam once or twice a day, compared to 8-11 mg of diclazepam last time, the starting point for the previous taper. And that was down from a prolonged period of using 10-40mg of etizolam regularly for god knows how long.

2. Even though I'm currently out of work, overall I'm much more stable and settled than I was last time round. It was an extremely stressful time of my life to attempt the taper last time. Even though I still did it, it just made everything so much harder to go through the process at such a difficult time. The whole process was a living nightmare last time, but the upshot of having that experience is that it is probably helping to make the whole thing seem like a doddle so far this time round.

I'm using Clonazepam for the taper and am crushing the 2mg pills down to powder, and weighing out the doses. A whole 2mg pill weighs 175mg, and I've come down from 130mg before bed, along with several whiskies, CBD and Valerian tablets, to no alcohol, no tablets (apart from Mirtazapine, which I'll look at later), to currently 45mg of a Clonazepam pill. So that's almost down to 1/4 of a pill. And I'm still falling asleep just fine, and already feeling a lot better in the mornings, finding it much easier to get out of bed and wake up, and needing less sleep overall.

At this rate I'll probably be finished with a habitual and regular dependence on using benzos (and alcohol) to fall asleep within 2 - 3 weeks.

I'm posting this for a few reasons; one of them being to potentially encourage anyone else who may be wanting to get off benzos. With motivation to succeed, taking things very gradually, and finding any relatively good or settled time in life (if possible) to go through the tapering process, the whole thing can be much less of a nightmare than it needs to be. Seeing the thing as a process helps a great deal too. It helps you to be more patient regarding the timescales.