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Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v. 7.0
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Recoveringinvega
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How long did it take after you got off for the the weight to fall off?
Ah god i think it might have taken a few months for me to start loosing weight. It took about a year for me to lose all the weight though
Recoveringinvega
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Did everyone lose weight after going off invega? If so how long was weight loss?
Ive given up on my bodybuilding for now. Just wanna know if I can become skinny and fit my old clothes.
So your skinny and at pre-invega weight now?
Ive given up on my bodybuilding for now. Just wanna know if I can become skinny and fit my old clothes.
would you say your pre and post invega weight and fat are the same? Did you gain a lot of weight on invega? I cant really tell from the pictures you posted so did your face go back to normal?I also experienced facial bloating as you can clearly see:
Pre-invega facial fat:
In recovery facial fat:
Post recovery facial fat :
7 months pregnant post-recovery (near invega weight, fat distribution clearly more natural and less "puffy"):
We understand your point that if you get lean enough you won't carry facial fat. I think you're missing the point that the way your metabolism, hormones and facial fat distribution changes on invega doesn't allow you to get that lean or ripped.
No. Why would you blame the patient for a psych not believing in proven side effects. The psychs have your close-minded attitude toward the med, that's the only issue
It's not panic. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen to anyone. You have the right to your opinion, but your opinion looks ridiculous if someone shows you the research you asked for and you choose to disbelieve and disregard it. If you don't have an open mind, don't ask for research.
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Fat distribution pre and post invega are the same, I was in a state of barely eating for months pre invega so I didn't really get that skinny again but I did return to my regular comfortable weight of a size 4 -6 post invega. For me it looks obvious how puffy my face is on invega compared to off it but maybe that is just because I know myself well.
CrimsonThornX
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If someone was to compile every single known side-effect from invega, not just the very few listed on janssen's website but literally every single side-effect ever felt and reported by everyone given the injection, how long would that list be? I'd expect at least 50, or 75, even close to 100 if not more based off everything I've experienced, and everything I've read others say not just here but on various other websites too. To this day I can't comprehend how a single substance, in this case paliperidone palmitate somehow destroys and ruins literally every single part of your body, mentally, physically, internally, externally, etc. I hope that some time during the span of my life I get to see the point where this poison stops being in production so that at least future generations never have to worry about this. This is the first and last time I will ever take any meds even remotely close to this ever again. None of us ever deserved to go through this crap, and all of us deserve to experience what life was like again pre-invega, assuming it was better. I don't ask to be wealthy, I don't ask to be famous, the only thing I could ever ask for is to return to my pre-invega self 100%, which I am extremely desperate for.
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I experienced a way better life after 2 years of recovery to 100% and I was on olanzapine injection for 1 of those years
Unfortunately had some trauma, alcoholism and lsd and frequent weed use that gave me psychotic symptoms again , although not full psychosis, just badly traumatised
If you constantly read this forum I think it makes you more biased into how hard it is to recover, depending on who’s posting as in those who are in early stages of recovery. Though this forum had helped me so much as no one in my life really understands how difficult it was and I still feel like the trauma of it affects me in some way but I’m glad for the strength and gratitude it gave me
Unfortunately had some trauma, alcoholism and lsd and frequent weed use that gave me psychotic symptoms again , although not full psychosis, just badly traumatised
If you constantly read this forum I think it makes you more biased into how hard it is to recover, depending on who’s posting as in those who are in early stages of recovery. Though this forum had helped me so much as no one in my life really understands how difficult it was and I still feel like the trauma of it affects me in some way but I’m glad for the strength and gratitude it gave me
«Studies indicate that up to two-thirds of patients treated with atypical antipsychotics experience impaired bone marrow density, leading to osteoporosis.»
^ this is not research that proves your face has been affected by invega, especially not short term after only a few years. <edited - SMod>
https://www.drugs.com/sfx/invega-side-effects.html
^ as far as this study goes, nothing implies anything other than normal bloating. Maybe water retention.
This drug causes weight gain and some of that fat bloats the face. There’s nothing permanent or <edited - SMod> about that. <edited out inflammatory comment - SMod>
I know it’s harder to lose weight on this drug, but I don’t believe it deforms your face it’s just fat gain.
Try doing cardio. Walking on incline, sprint intervals, steady pace, switch it up. It’s tough but you will lose weigh. Fight the food cravings. You can do it!
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Invegatorture
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Does it get detoxed from the bone marrow?
You are intertwining things i meant as seperate facts.
1. Invega can cause changes in bone structure
2. Invega causes face bloating wether through whatever mechanism. if you assume its just water i can also assume its only fat
3. Nobody said it was permanent, this seems anxiety on your part
You ignore evidence and make up own facts and mixing them with assumptions
Good question. Besides withdrawal the high concentration in bone marrow could be one of the reasons why people suffer that long, how fast the detox goes i have no idea. I know strontium and bisphonates can take years to get rid off
Do you think its permanent, or that it leaves body once the drug is off?
I dont know
I have had improvements in all aspects. You will too. I exercise alot maybe that helps. I was panicking too a few moths ago
WTF!? I read someone who took 1 fucking inj and 4 years later is still suffering, dunnow where the hope is right there!
There are not many recovery stories for abilify
You will feel significantly better month 9
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I dont care if its abilify, invega, olanzapine, they are all the same fucking trash. Believe me dude. 9 months for what? People still feeling the same 3 years off abilify, I have a review of a person in reddit.
I agree... i never fully recovered from invega and am not recovering from abilify, maybe 25% in almost 9 months but i also take a oral low dose of that crap.
Send me the review btw
"I bought a couple of publicly safe blood tests just to get some relief from my withdrawal symptoms. I told myself that every time they drew a small amount of abilify saturated blood from me, my system would produce fresh, natural blood to flow independently. I also took an iron and, as stated before, vitamin C supplement to encourage more blood production. Some small tests I bought were the CMP (comprehensive metabolic panel), blood type, basic STD panel, and basic Diabetes panel (risk is higher when you're on antipsychotics).
The injection's primary attack point is your liver, people recommend taking St. John's Wort to increase production of CYP450, the enzyme that filters Ability and other xenometabolites from your system. Once your liver is better, you can feel less negative thoughts firing on their own.
Yes, all the vitamin B's help. In addition, I recommend glucosamine to fix your nerves. They're pretty frayed after all that trauma.
Abilify (and other antipsychotics) chemically reacts with your neurotransmitter (dopamine) _receptors_, not the neurotransmitters themselves. So your body might be producing the same amount of neurotransmitters as before, but you can't acknowledge it because your receptors are blocked. Intermittent fasting triggers a process called autophagy that clears out your blocked neurotransmitters and detoxes your body a little. To rebuild the receptors, you can take amino acids (you need all 20 basic ones) to surplus your supply and hope your genes and RNA can pump out the proteins corresponding to your receptors.
As hard as it was to admit to myself, I still had bipolar symptoms coming off of Abilify. I sequenced my DNA and found out that I can't produce PLCG1, a known protein for regulating bipolar disorder (you can google around for studies on it). The other 2 are AKAP11 and DISC1, which for me were still half intact. I have a 50% chance of producing structurally correct AKAP11 and DISC1, and 50% chance of producing the malformed version.
As for the lost cause, it turns out PLCG1 is produced by benign strains of e. coli, so I turned to the probiotic community for help. I googled around and bought and ate trehalose, a favorite food of benign e. coli, and it seemed to up my PLCG1 production from before.
Sorry it costs a lot of money (or maybe not, I won't assume your income level). But I hope my story is an anecdote that helps.
If this worked for you and you're willing to take it to the next level, the part I haven't gotten a chance to explore is using CRISPR to genetically engineer l. casei or e. coli to produce AKAP11 or DISC1. The idea is to knock in the human AKAP11 or DISC1 gene into the bacteria, then brew some probiotic yogurt from the modified strains. They live in your gut and supplement the lost AKAP11 and DISC1 proteins, and hopefully the symptoms can marginally improve. It's a long shot, but it's not complicated nor cost millions of dollars USD in practice. I choose not to investigate human CRISPR therapy because it's still too expensive right now. A couple milliliters of CRISPR materials costs a thousand dollars if you get the gene modification right. But your body needs more than milliliters to truly transform, so the final cost can get into the millions for all I know.
I might still die of suicide at the end. But I'm grateful for the relief, happiness, and humanity that I've regained so far. I've more than my fair share of good days in life, but I've always told myself I can contribute more to the conformist part of society if I feel better. Thanks for reading.
Oh shit that was really forgetful of me, haha.
2 injections 400mg each once per month non-voluntary or whatever they call it. Forced. It was 3 years ago."
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The injection's primary attack point is your liver, people recommend taking St. John's Wort to increase production of CYP450, the enzyme that filters Ability and other xenometabolites from your system. Once your liver is better, you can feel less negative thoughts firing on their own.
Yes, all the vitamin B's help. In addition, I recommend glucosamine to fix your nerves. They're pretty frayed after all that trauma.
Abilify (and other antipsychotics) chemically reacts with your neurotransmitter (dopamine) _receptors_, not the neurotransmitters themselves. So your body might be producing the same amount of neurotransmitters as before, but you can't acknowledge it because your receptors are blocked. Intermittent fasting triggers a process called autophagy that clears out your blocked neurotransmitters and detoxes your body a little. To rebuild the receptors, you can take amino acids (you need all 20 basic ones) to surplus your supply and hope your genes and RNA can pump out the proteins corresponding to your receptors.
As hard as it was to admit to myself, I still had bipolar symptoms coming off of Abilify. I sequenced my DNA and found out that I can't produce PLCG1, a known protein for regulating bipolar disorder (you can google around for studies on it). The other 2 are AKAP11 and DISC1, which for me were still half intact. I have a 50% chance of producing structurally correct AKAP11 and DISC1, and 50% chance of producing the malformed version.
As for the lost cause, it turns out PLCG1 is produced by benign strains of e. coli, so I turned to the probiotic community for help. I googled around and bought and ate trehalose, a favorite food of benign e. coli, and it seemed to up my PLCG1 production from before.
Sorry it costs a lot of money (or maybe not, I won't assume your income level). But I hope my story is an anecdote that helps.
If this worked for you and you're willing to take it to the next level, the part I haven't gotten a chance to explore is using CRISPR to genetically engineer l. casei or e. coli to produce AKAP11 or DISC1. The idea is to knock in the human AKAP11 or DISC1 gene into the bacteria, then brew some probiotic yogurt from the modified strains. They live in your gut and supplement the lost AKAP11 and DISC1 proteins, and hopefully the symptoms can marginally improve. It's a long shot, but it's not complicated nor cost millions of dollars USD in practice. I choose not to investigate human CRISPR therapy because it's still too expensive right now. A couple milliliters of CRISPR materials costs a thousand dollars if you get the gene modification right. But your body needs more than milliliters to truly transform, so the final cost can get into the millions for all I know.
I might still die of suicide at the end. But I'm grateful for the relief, happiness, and humanity that I've regained so far. I've more than my fair share of good days in life, but I've always told myself I can contribute more to the conformist part of society if I feel better. Thanks for reading.
Oh shit that was really forgetful of me, haha.
2 injections 400mg each once per month non-voluntary or whatever they call it. Forced. It was 3 years ago."
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