Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v. 7.0

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When I smoked after invega it felt unpleasant, I got zero euphoria like I used to back in the day. I can live without it just fine.

But the anhedonia makes me crave some sort of high that’s why I want to try shrooms. Some people swear by it. But from what I understand the mods don’t want us to talk about psilocybin. Probably a good reason for it, but I think it’s worth a try.

I don’t need to trip and see vivid colors and shit. But if it lifts the mood and makes me more productive, then why not?

Does anybody know if shrooms interfere much with strength in the gym? Probably does if I microdose long term.
It healed someone that was on Invega on Facebook.
I say give it a try.
 
How were my comments on neurochemistry wrong?
"That's actually not true. Delusions are created in the brain by a chemical imbalance, it is actually a neuroanatomical/neurochemical problem."
Delusions are not "created in the brain by chemical imbalance", and you can't show any research that supports stuff. Delusions are created through environmental factors.
I am spanish, I ve spoken with him via mail, I know al that stuff in first hand, thats why I am so pesimistic. He says theres no defined time to heal from this poisons!!


I came across someone who took 10 years to heal via reddit

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Still waiting for him to tell me his case, but 10 years seems average for me tbh. I would rather 10 years than forever
Does he take any other drugs
Well I would agree with you but you have to be in our position in order to know

You just hit me hard with that “felt that his recovery” because thats all, you can feel that you are recovered in 1 year but I am not talking about feeling recovered, I need a complete recover, an objective one, I dont wanna be able to walk, I want to run like I was able before. I dont want akathisia nor ED, I want everything fucking back!!


He says theres no clue to know the timeline, he says he really believes in recovery


He alao explains really well its functioning
Recovered people objectively have no more ED, akathisisa , or physical weakness
How can you tell your anhedonia is healing? Do you start to just feel better over all and a greater sense of well being?
You just start to get interested and be able to think about things again spontaneously
I felt the same way at first until my boyfriend pushed me and forced me to do a little bit more every day. I’ve been off for only 4 months and I already see progress . I’ve had these same symptoms and issues for the first few months my boyfriend had to force me to push myself each day and truly didn’t believe it was helping which is probably because the changes are very slow. From an outside perspective it was easier to see the progress for him so he continued pushing me and now after months I’m actually starting to be aware of the progress as well. Obviously this may not work for everybody but it dod for me so I am sharing it to try to be helpful but people can listen or ignore it at their own discretion .
That's fair and I'm glad that's working for you. Personally I wish I had not forced myself to be around my friends when I was still suffering from invega, because my demeanor on invega really confused them and I think damaged out relatio ship in the long term
Just got back from running. Feel my heart pumping and adrenaline rushing. Ran at 75% capacity I would say. Not much progress, but I’m keeping the routine running 2-3 times a week. It was a drag I didn’t think I would finish but I kept pushing. No soreness in the legs, nor was I too out of breath. Just slower overall than usual.

I’ve noticed I don’t sweat as much as I used to. Metabolism probably slowed due to invega. I for sure aint running as hard as I was before the injections.

Tomorrow is weights, heavy squats and bench press for reps. I will fight these side effects with all I have
I think it's amazing that you can feel endorphins so soon into recovery.
Did you have memory problems? If so did they recover
Yes I did. Actually I read about a recent study on paliperidone's effect on memory- first time psychosis patients had worse memory on paliperidone than they did before psychosis, while the placebo group improved their memory over time.

"people taking an antipsychotic did significantly worse than the placebo group on three tests: immediate paired-associate recall, total paired-associate learning, and delayed cued recall—tests that measure learning and memory. While those in the placebo group improved on these tests by six months, those taking an antipsychotic actually worsened on these tests so that their performance was even lower than their baseline (pre-treatment) scores." https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/0...ognitive-functioning-first-episode-psychosis/
I’ve been reading on quora that some people hasn’t regained the ability to get high or drunk after years of discontinuation. Fucking hell, if this is true… it will be a major obstacle in my life. I would have to go to tibet and live like a monk. In all seriousness, it will change my social life drastically and I will be severely depressed. Maybe I can accept it if I never get psychotic again. It may be worth the tradeoff
Quora is the worst place, i wouldnt believe a lot that i read on there
Then were you avoiding to expand your knowledge in these fields and just tried to get a degrees like many others? Having a psychology degree is not the same as having B.S. biochemistry degree but I suppose you have it too, you didn't clearly said it.
Are we surprised that the psych major was taught that mental imbalance is a purely chemical problem with purely chemical solutions?
When people recover can they get a good buzz from alcohol? @Kaatrina ? What do you all think
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It healed someone that was on Invega on Facebook.
I say give it a try.
Please look at the actual research before making a decision to reduce your long term anxiety with psyclocybin. This has all been tried in the 1960s before & it still didn't work then
https://www.madinamerica.com/2023/0...eats-to-the-validity-of-psychedelic-research/
 
Coming up at 4 months
That's a tough period. I think months 5 and 6 are better. Like I felt pretty damn normal then. And 8 and 9 maybe is kinda horrible, not to make you worry or anything, just so you're prepared - it comes in waves, or at least has for me.
How many months have you been off?
I've been off for.. holy shit, 10.5 months. Engaging and decently enjoyable work plus keeping busy with all sorts of other things has helped me pass the time.

This whole thing is fucked up tho. I still feel so far from sober and fully able and normal. Fuck man. I know I said it already but stay strong guys.❤️
 
It has not. I assumed he did because he disappeared, but hopefully he ended up in the hospital or something. Only time will tell.
I find the whole thing spooky, and saddening.
Yeah maybe he’s just in the hospital or something. That’s what I was thinking earlier
 
Went to see my pdoc today, said I have been feeling better, but that I still feel anhedonic, difficulty falling asleep, can’t feel caffeine or alcohol. He told me it’s unlikely side effects of the drug. Like wth?!
I can understand him thinking sleep and anhedonia are due to some other cause (even though I know it’s the meds), but how can he say that tolerance to stims have another explanation. How can he be so unaware of these side effects? Am I the first one who complained about this?
He only acknowledges weight gain and ed.
 
Hey guys.. Feeling veey much down.. What do you think willi recover and whan? I had 4 invega sustena and two Trevicta? Bless you all
 
Hey guys.. Feeling veey much down.. What do you think willi recover and whan? I had 4 invega sustena and two Trevicta? Bless you all
You said yourself that you believe in recovery, no need to worry. It takes a long time to heal. Right now you have to battle.

Go out and enjoy a fresh smoothie in the warm sun. Take a walk in the park park or go look at some new clothes in the stores. Maybe sit at a coffee shop and watch people go by.
 
You said yourself that you believe in recovery, no need to worry. It takes a long time to heal. Right now you have to battle.

Go out and enjoy a fresh smoothie in the warm sun. Take a walk in the park park or go look at some new clothes in the stores. Maybe sit at a coffee shop and watch people go by.
Nothing makes me enjoy..

You said yourself that you believe in recovery, no need to worry. It takes a long time to heal. Right now you have to battle.

Go out and enjoy a fresh smoothie in the warm sun. Take a walk in the park park or go look at some new clothes in the stores. Maybe sit at a coffee shop and watch people go by.
I do beloeve in recovery its just so hard
 
Went to see my pdoc today, said I have been feeling better, but that I still feel anhedonic, difficulty falling asleep, can’t feel caffeine or alcohol. He told me it’s unlikely side effects of the drug. Like wth?!
I can understand him thinking sleep and anhedonia are due to some other cause (even though I know it’s the meds), but how can he say that tolerance to stims have another explanation. How can he be so unaware of these side effects? Am I the first one who complained about this?
He only acknowledges weight gain and ed.
I think that if they acknowledge side effects at all they'd feel too guilty about what they may be doing to their patients, so they refuse to look at it. My psych said she didn't believe in side effects at all, anything I was feeling was because I was schizophrenic, and to not look at the listed side effects of SSRIs because it may make me not want to take them
Nothing makes me enjoy..
It's true that you need time to feel things, and that you can't enjoy things like you used to. But there's something to what baddream is saying, in that you can't let yourself get sucked into the swamp of sadness like Artex. Look ahead to the future - instead of saying "nothing makes me enjoy", which you can make true for yourself by repeating to yourself, say "Nothing makes me enjoy YET"...Even though you know you won't feel pleasure from it, even though you know it may make you feel worse because it will remind you of how you used yo be and what you used to be able to feel, at some point you should try anyway. I'm not saying it has to be now but at some point you should say "Nothing makes me enjoy yet, but I'm going to try and see if it's a little better now because it's been X months and I want to measure my improvement"
 
You said yourself that you believe in recovery, no need to worry. It takes a long time to heal. Right now you have to battle.

Go out and enjoy a fresh smoothie in the warm sun. Take a walk in the park park or go look at some new clothes in the stores. Maybe sit at a coffee shop and watch people go by.
I agree with this @bojana you have to force yourself to do things now, until they sorta become routine. I would say, don’t wait around until you feel better, that could take a while. I think it’s important to not create the habit of not doing, as hard as it is you gotta keep moving!
 
Then were you avoiding to expand your knowledge in these fields and just tried to get a degrees like many others? Having a psychology degree is not the same as having B.S. biochemistry degree but I suppose you have it too, you didn't clearly said it.
I'm not sure why you're purposefully trying to antagonise me. I'm on your side, I'm rooting for you guys.

My current goal is 65kg, got 1 and a half months to reach it. And after that Im gonna build muscle
That is awesome!! Keep it up dude!

So has it been confirmed that Merek killed himself?
No it has not. There is no way of knowing for sure because no one here knows his real name or where lives so we can't search for obituaries. So we mau never know what happened to him. The best thing we can do is hope that he logs back on and posts again some day soon <3
 
Has anyone started gym and building muscle hows your energy levels and recovery from building muscle and gainz?
 
Has anyone started gym and building muscle hows your energy levels and recovery from building muscle and gainz?
I’m simply maintaining strength by doing a few exercises as heavy as I can for low reps. I find it very difficult to pump volume or get stronger. 100 kg bench press for 3-5 feels easier than 20 push ups.

I feel like smaller muscle groups fatigue much faster, so I can’t do many reps.

My recommendation to anybody in recovery hitting the gym is to keep reps low and weight heavy. Work on technique and explosiveness.

Much easier with short and intense workouts imo.
 
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It’s basically the same strategy as when dieting while trying to retain muscle mass, because it’s next to impossible to gain muscle in a caloric deficit. From my experience, the best way to approach the weight room when energy levels are low is to focus on pure strength training. Powerlifting style compound exercises for low volume sets. It’s not supposed to make you super sweaty, but to build strength and the cardio will make you lean. Hope that makes sense, I know not everybody agrees but remember that the only way to grow muscle is to become stronger
 
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