Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v. 7.0

[t_xeplionhell]

You got the high IQ and know everything? How come you’re the one suffering ?

So you aren't suffering? What does IQ have to do with suffering? Changes on IQ just show how invega can fuck cognitive aspect of our brain and mess with our ability to be capable human beings who can only work as mindless zombies. Long term memory fog is no joke, same goes for short term/working memory impairment.

You don’t know about my education or work, maybe I will make more money in the future, what does it even matter?

You see I got very good friends that have a job in IRS and do things you have had listed that you do, so that's one of reasons how I know.

See, I know about your job and work you do. Where do you see "wild" theories here?

We are here to talk about invega, don’t get pissy just because I disagree with you.

From what I posted in that post, you could only disagree on:
1: me saying that your job is mindless and not complex
2: me saying that I have bigger paycheck
3: that you could be having cognitive impairment - which doesn't mean that you have it, but rather that there is a chance since it's known side-effect

But here is the problem. HOW can you disagree on facts?

I know what your job is because you clearly said it, and I know what you do there because I have good friends that work there.
I also have good friends which work at gov companies that work for IRS. They develop systems for IRS that guys like you use.


Please, think before you post stuff like this again. I will just have to stop replying eventually.

 

[Baddream]

From what I posted in that post, you could only disagree on:
1: me saying that your job is mindless and not complex

I disagree with your mindset and mentality first of all.

What I do is not IRS work, I used to be in big four and now do more demanding work.

I really don’t care whether your work is more complex or not, point is you can still do it and so can I. Maybe you feel slower at your job, but some of us are able to keep working as usual.

I have previously been on other AP’s and was able to study master’s, it gets better after the initial stages.

This doom and gloom mindset is the main reason for lack of recovery, I don’t care if you realize that, maybe somebody else will.

Unless you work at NASA, you can study and work just fine, don’t use the medicine as an excuse to be inactive. You will only hinder your own recovery

 

[Baddream]

Misdiagnosis is actually a thing. Most of us never even talked to a therapist - are you psychotic? You must be a schizophrenic for life - this is not a scientifically sound way to diagnose this mental ilness.

The recommendation is 2 years for most people. I myself wasn’t diagnosed as schizo, even though I fear that I’m on the spectrum. I used to have this underlying anxiousness/paranoia that I couldn’t shake. The doctor agreed to stop the meds because of the side effects and I feel much better already. I also want to be med free, but I will gladly take medications if the symptoms return. It seems unlikely now, but who knows what the future will bring.

Just keep in mind that these drugs are helping some of us. And the ones who hate it the most, probably need it the most. Psychosis is a complex disease and does alot of damage to the brain.

I am grateful the state spend this kind of money for my treatment. The side effects suck, but I know I will be happier long term.

 

[Mort4king]

The recommendation is 2 years for most people. I myself wasn’t diagnosed as schizo, even though I fear that I’m on the spectrum. I used to have this underlying anxiousness/paranoia that I couldn’t shake. The doctor agreed to stop the meds because of the side effects and I feel much better already. I also want to be med free, but I will gladly take medications if the symptoms return. It seems unlikely now, but who knows what the future will bring.

Just keep in mind that these drugs are helping some of us. And the ones who hate it the most, probably need it the most. Psychosis is a complex disease and does alot of damage to the brain.

I am grateful the state spend this kind of money for my treatment. The side effects suck, but I know I will be happier long term.

The psychosis doesnt do brain damage, neuroleptics do.
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[Baddream]

The psychosis doesnt do brain damage, neuroleptics do.

Guess you are the smart one and doctors all over the world are all idiots .

I’m just as worried about the consequences of this drug, but don’t tell me psychosis is nothing to worry about. You are spreading false information. With all due respect

 

[Mort4king]

Guess you are the smart one and doctors all over the world are all idiots .

I’m just as worried about the consequences of this drug, but don’t tell me psychosis is nothing to worry about. You are spreading false information. With all due respect

Find one study that shows brain damage in schizoprenics that arent on neuroleptics. Then look up the plethora of studies on brain damage on healthy individuals and apes from neuroleptics. The only thing that could cause brain damage from psychosis is lack of sleep and food/water.

 

[Kaatrina]

You call it "so many activities". He is working at "tax and accounting", watching football on tv and exercising.
If that is so many then what I'm doing would be at least x4 more. What he is doing I call lack of activities, especially mental ones.

Idk I couldn't work or enjoy TV when I was on & recovering from invega so i thought i lt was a good sign. Sounds like he is already sort of used to being on neuroleptica though

Just keep in mind that these drugs are helping some of us. And the ones who hate it the most, probably need it the most. Psychosis is a complex disease and does alot of damage to the brain.

I am grateful the state spend this kind of money for my treatment. The side effects suck, but I know I will be happier long term.

Psychosis isn't a disease, it's a symptom. I hated invega just as much as anyone on here, and I probably hate psychotropics more than anyone here, does that mean I need them the most? What a ridiculous metric. If invega is helping you & hasn't ruined your life, I don't suppose you need to be on this forum

Guess you are the smart one and doctors all over the world are all idiots .

I’m just as worried about the consequences of this drug, but don’t tell me psychosis is nothing to worry about. You are spreading false information. With all due respect

Please look at the data and look at long term recovery and mortality rates for those using neuroleptics and those who aren't. Your chances of living a functional, long life are actually much higher if you do not take neuroleptics for long periods of time.

White Paper Presents Case Against Forced Treatment

"I see the white paper as the culmination of my 40+ years of advocacy for people subjected to psychiatric incarceration and forced drugging."

www.madinamerica.com

Critical Psychiatry Textbook, Chapter 7: Psychosis (Part Six)

Discussing the damage psychosis pills cause to the brain, and how that manifests in many clinical harms, like tardive dyskinesia.

www.madinamerica.com

Psychs aren't trained to focus on side effects or prioritize quality of life. They're trained to add as many drugs to the regimen as possible until there are no "problems". When problems occur, they are trained to try a different class or brand of drug.

Doctors are wrong to prescribe invega injections, especially as quickly & without proper diagnosis as they are. They are killing people and ruining lives

 

[apsucks]

I disagree with your mindset and mentality first of all.

What I do is not IRS work, I used to be in big four and now do more demanding work.

I really don’t care whether your work is more complex or not, point is you can still do it and so can I. Maybe you feel slower at your job, but some of us are able to keep working as usual.

I have previously been on other AP’s and was able to study master’s, it gets better after the initial stages.

This doom and gloom mindset is the main reason for lack of recovery, I don’t care if you realize that, maybe somebody else will.

Unless you work at NASA, you can study and work just fine, don’t use the medicine as an excuse to be inactive. You will only hinder your own recovery

An explorative study of school performance and antipsychotic medication

Antipsychotic therapy can reduce severe symptoms of psychiatric disorders, however, data on school performance among children on such treatment are lacking. The objective was to explore school performance among children using antipsychotic drugs at the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

3.6 points lower it's a huge difference

 

[Baddream]

Maybe I’m being gullible and I admit to not knowing much about how these drugs work, nor do I believe they are healthy in the long run.

But you can’t take worst case scenario studies and apply them to us, why take the grief in advance.

I personally feel fine now I believe the worst is over. I can’t feel alcohol, that’s the biggest problem I have. I’ll worry about brain damage if the time comes, which I doubt it will.

If invega is helping you & hasn't ruined your life, I don't suppose you need to be on this forum

I did feel like shit, now I’m better. I’m here to encourage recovery, not spread conspiracy theories and bumming people out so they have an excuse to lay down and rot. It’s important to be aware of the drugs effects, but within reason.

How come I can function and I’m still on the drug? I’m not special, I just keep my head up and push through.

 

[Senior Moderator]

There’s someone on discord that constantly talks about pregabaline, like they can’t live without it

Pregabalin is very addictive, that's why they talk about it like they can't live without it. They are most likely addicted to it and suffer withdrawal symptoms if they don't take it. I don't know. I don't know how much they take or how frequently. But I DO know that it is addictive.

"Patients taking Invega should ask their doctors for more accurate estimations, as it varies between patients. However, according to drugs.com, Invega has a long half life range that can last between 25 to 49 days.

It is important to note that it can take between five to six half lives for the body to completely process the drug, so patients can expect it to take between 150 to 300 days for their last Invega dose to leave their system."

So correct me if I'm wrong here I've had 10 injections right, so is my half life 1500 - 3000 days until the injection is cleared from my body I'm abit confused how does it work in my case? If we say


Half life 49 Days, 1x injection dosage 150 MG

Time (days)	Dosage (mg)	Concentration
49	75	50%
98	37.5	25%
147	18.75	12.5%
196	9.38	6.25%
245	4.69	3.125%
294	2.34	1.562%

Half life 49 days 10x injections + loading = 1150mg (150 + 100 MG Loading dose & 150MG + 150MG + 150MG+ 100MG + 100MG +100MG + 75MG + 75MG) IN MY CASE.

Time (days)	Dosage (mg)	Concentration
49	575	50%
98	287.5	25%
147	143.75	12.5%
196	71.88	6.25%
245	35.94	3.125%
294	17.97	1.562%

So in 294 after my last injection I'll have 17.97 (mg) Invega in my system, and another year I'll have 0.28 (mg) in my system and another and after that it halves to 0.14, 0.7 every 49 days.. and so on.

Its been 150 days since last injection
50 day half life. Leaves me with 35.94mg in my system

16/12/2022 - 75MG - 9.38mg
16/11/2022 - 75MG - 7.25mg
16/10/2022 - 100MG - 6.25mg
16/9/2022 - 100mg - 3.50mg
16/8/2022 - 100mg - 2.25mg
16/7/2022 - 100mg - 1.56mg
15/6/2022 - 150mg - 1.75
15/5/2022 - 150mg - 1mg
15/4/2022 - 150mg - 0.7mg
15/3/2022 - 250mg - 1.4mg (First injection with booster and loading)

May I please ask that whenever quoting studies, that you please include the source of the data. Thank you.

I’m going to an amusement park this weekend do any of you think I’ll feel adrenaline or anything from riding roller coasters? I’m just wondering if I’ll be able to enjoy anything

This sounds awesome! Please let us know how it went!

been thinking about @Merek hope he is alright

Me too. I think about him multiple times a day. My mind fears the worst but I'm still hoping that he turns up in here again one day and posts again

I don’t think my posts are discouraging. I write about the common side effects that all of us experience. The denominators. I also write about how they can be overcome and keeping a positive outlook. All my side effects have gotten better.

I personally appreciate your posts, and I welcome you to continue to contribute your positivity in this thread. It is very much needed, amongst all of the discouraged feelings, hopelessness and negativity.

Is crying sign of improvement? I couldn cry now i can. What do you think

Yes I would definitely say that is a sign of improvement! Very encouraging

I agree it’s more arguing than positively.

The ebbs and flows of the thread. A few pages ago everyone was all very supportive towards each other. Something took a turn, I don't know what exactly. But I've cleaned up a lot of the mess.

At this point I don’t think I’ll ever have sex again

Never is a very very long time. Please just hang in there and have faith that you will recover

Invega hafyera is a 1000 - 1500 mg injection im sure people died during clinical studies
In "honest" clinical studies in china people died from regular invega

Do you have any actual data or peer-reviewed articles to support these statements? They are big claims to make.

So you aren't suffering? What does IQ have to do with suffering? Changes on IQ just show how invega can fuck cognitive aspect of our brain and mess with our ability to be capable human beings who can only work as mindless zombies. Long term memory fog is no joke, same goes for short term/working memory impairment.

See, I know about your job and work you do. Where do you see "wild" theories here?

From what I posted in that post, you could only disagree on:
1: me saying that your job is mindless and not complex
2: me saying that I have bigger paycheck
3: that you could be having cognitive impairment - which doesn't mean that you have it, but rather that there is a chance since it's known side-effect

But here is the problem. HOW can you disagree on facts?

I know what your job is because you clearly said it, and I know what you do there because I have good friends that work there.
I also have good friends which work at gov companies that work for IRS. They develop systems for IRS that guys like you use.

Please, think before you post stuff like this again. I will just have to stop replying eventually.

Can you please just let it go? Thank you.


I have just spent over 1.5 hours cleaning up this thread of off-topic posts, and antagonistic, argumentative, inflammatory posts. Can we please stop and remember that this thread is to SUPPORT EACH OTHER through the recovery process after being administered Invega and other potent APs? We are NOT here to argue about the validity of each other's jobs, incomes, IQs, or anything else trivial or personal like that.

Please keep the discussion on topic of your recovery from Invega, side effects, withdrawals, tips to help each other get through it etc.

Thank you.

 

[apsucks]

Guess you are the smart one and doctors all over the world are all idiots .

I’m just as worried about the consequences of this drug, but don’t tell me psychosis is nothing to worry about. You are spreading false information. With all due respect

Psychiatrist i talked to admitted antipsychotis cause brain damage keeping someone on drugs for two years that cause brain damage is in direct conflict with the oath of hippocrates. Smart doctors are hard to find they just parrot shit from books. Usually the smart ones dont work in psychiatry and earn way more $$. Some doctors i spoke to didnt accept psychiatry as a serious science. Personally i wouldn't call a psychiatrist a doctor its an insult for real doctors and physicians who work in oncology and so forth i think neuropsychiatrist are legit.

I own some of the same books that psychiatrist use during training and its not complex are any difficult stuff to write home about. But then again this is matter of opinion. the problem isn't that psychiatrist are stupid psychiatry itself is an invalid science or psuedoscience.

 

[apsucks]

Maybe I’m being gullible and I admit to not knowing much about how these drugs work, nor do I believe they are healthy in the long run.

But you can’t take worst case scenario studies and apply them to us, why take the grief in advance.

I personally feel fine now I believe the worst is over. I can’t feel alcohol, that’s the biggest problem I have. I’ll worry about brain damage if the time comes, which I doubt it will.


I did feel like shit, now I’m better. I’m here to encourage recovery, not spread conspiracy theories and bumming people out so they have an excuse to lay down and rot. It’s important to be aware of the drugs effects, but within reason.

How come I can function and I’m still on the drug? I’m not special, I just keep my head up and push through.

There is a difference between encouraging people and downplaying peoples experience which is gaslighting

 

[Invegaishell]

Like my brain is dead

At one point it felt like I had brain damage as well. Mental blankness is one of the worst side effects from invega. And cognitive ability is one of the last things to come back, at least for me. It does get better however, it just takes time.

 

[Baddream]

There is a difference between encouraging people and downplaying peoples experience which is gaslighting

You are right. I apologize for being a jerk

 

[Invegaishell]

I think the worst part about invega, besides the cognitive disabilities, is the lack of confidence the medication gives someone. Invega took my confidence away and I still have not regained it to where it was previously.

 

[roofmaan1]

I think the worst part about invega, besides the cognitive disabilities, is the lack of confidence the medication gives someone. Invega took my confidence away and I still have not regained it to where it was previously.

same with me

 

[roofmaan1]

I used to get fluided with dopamine before now its just not working at all. can anyone say dopamine reseptors recover?
im 3 months off and dont feel no pleasure from anything

 

[Baddream]

I found this post in an earlier thread. I think it’s great. Thought I’d share.

«I think I’m just almost 7 months off the shot and I’m doing good. Overall everything has improved and I just need to be mentally strong these days. I think I stopped taking seroquel awhile ago and I took it at an extremely small dose so everything was just me being mentally strong and it was more like a placebo. The anxiety issue got a lot better and now and don’t just get anxious for no reason. Some days I can physically go to the gym with the same strength and energy as pre Invega. Things do get better guys! I do get depressed sometimes thinking about how down and out I was from the 2-4 month. Everything does gradually get better. I’m still not where I’d like to be and that does make me cry sometimes. But I’m still happy because if I had to live everyday of my life with where I’m at right now I could do it. My biggest advice is to be mentally strong. If your concerned about Invega and think you’ll never recover you’ll manifest more off Invega into your life. You need to stop letting Invega control your life and do the best with what your capable off. It is unfortunate that this drug does last awhile. But you do get to a point where you can live your best life still. Remember everyday that you make it is a win»

 

[RecoveryInProgress]

I used to get fluided with dopamine before now its just not working at all. can anyone say dopamine reseptors recover?
im 3 months off and dont feel no pleasure from anything

It heals slowly, very gradually. It’s hard to notice our own progress though. I don’t even notice anything getting better but my boyfriend tells me I’m getting better but slowly. For what it’s worth you have made posts that have made me laugh, keep staying strong Roofman

 

[Baddream]

Another interesting one

«I honestly don’t think any antipsychotic drugs is the solution. They’re all the same, just with different side effects.
I think mental illness needs to cured holistically through fasting, meditation, change in lifestyle and diet and mindfulness. Journaling also helps, that way we can read our thoughts from the past and see when we start going astray.
I have just started a 30 day fast to rejuvenate my mind and body and will let you’ll know if it helps.»