Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v. 7.0

[RecoveryInProgress]

How's everyone doing today?

Tired but slowly improving.

 

[roofmaan1]

can enough invega kill someone
1000 mg of invega

 

[t_xeplionhell]

can enough invega kill someone
1000 mg of invega

There were reported deaths by paplieridone in Japan, it is known that paplieridone can cause arrhythmia because brain needs dopamine and adrenergic receptors to precisely control and regulate heart muscles, ESPECIALLY smaller ones. At that high dose it is possible that death by arrhythmia would happen but depends from person to person and age.

 

[Baddream]

You have paranoia and psychosis good for you that's not my problem
Dude what a joke...my life was fine until i got misdiagnosed and forcefully injected

I just read in a previous thread where you wrote about your psychosis

«They all mess up your brain. Abilify did nothing for my psychosis whatsoever even not in max dose leading up to my injection»

It’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s a disease doesn’t mean we did something wrong.

He seems to have some cognitive impairment, but I might be wrong and he could just have a sheep mentality or the reason could be in something else.

That’s a cheap shot! You guys can think whatever you like. Fact of the matter is I am able to work my job and exercise. I’m content with that.

Life might not be as fun as it used to be, but I don’t blame the doctors for my mental health problems. I don’t believe they are all idiots. Nor do I believe you guys are all idiots. We all have our own experience at the end of the day.

I don’t always agree with everything on this forum, but I appreciate the discussion. I respect your opinions either way

 

[apsucks]

Are you 6 months off the abilify injection?

Yes

 

[apsucks]

can enough invega kill someone
1000 mg of invega

Invega hafyera is a 1000 - 1500 mg injection im sure people died during clinical studies
In "honest" clinical studies in china people died from regular invega

 

[Invegaishell]

We should stop arguing and insulting each other. Doing this distracts from answering questions of people who are genuinely curious about recovery

 

[apsucks]

I’ve always wanted to go to Amsterdam. Do you live near Amsterdam?

Also always wanted to go to the Van Gogh museum.

Nah far in the east of the country amsterdam is overcrowded i been there multiple times. I prefer places like giethoorn

 

[Serhat]

Whan do you think it will leave?

Use the online half life calculator https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/drug-half-life

 

[Baddream]

Use the online half life calculator https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/drug-half-life

Or a blood test

 

[Invegaishell]

Anyone close to being recovered?

 

[apsucks]

Or a blood test

Problem with blood test is that its not tested for active metabolites abilify gets converted to dehydroaripiprazole which is also psychoactive and got a long half life unlike invega metabolites. It also doesn't show how much of the depot is left it only shows the amount leeched out of the depot at a current time. For me the half life theory worked but i picked the longest time. You defenitely need to do two or multiple blood tests to accurately see how fast its going
Employees at janssen told me the half life is just an estimate which is an guess it can be higher or lower

 

[Invegaishell]

If psychosis does cause anhedonia and depression by logic medication should have the opposite effect. Giving someone medication that has the same side effectsof cancer or AIDS doesnt make sense

I think the main goal of long acting injectables are to take a person out of psychosis. I don’t think they are purposefully giving us these side effects because the doctors are bad people. The main dilemma, in my opinion, is something you already pointed out. They take us out of psychosis so they think to themselves ”the medication works.” They don’t realize there are adverse effects form the medication. And when we do get these side effects from the medication, they think it is the schizophrenia or bipolar syndrome. They are giving us these nasty side effects, but in their eyes, it is the mental condition that is responsible for giving us these side effects. And technically, there is no way to prove it was the medication. Even though we all know we weren’t like this before the medication. Otherwise, there would be a lawsuit for it. A lawyer can’t prove symptoms like anhedonia and a blank mind. They can prove gynecomastia.

 

[Kaatrina]

You said yourself how expensive this stuff is, you really believe the state (or insurance) would waste this kind of money on people if they didn’t believe it helps our health?

The last thing they want is to stop us from paying taxes, which is where the real money is. You try inventing a medicine with no side effects, it’s nobodys fault the medicines we have today sucks ass.

Understand how pharmaceutical companies lobby and trade jobs back and forth in state institutions. The real money is in medicaid/Medicare payments- guaranteed customers for life. It's all being paid for whether the tax money covers it or not - why the country is 34 trillion in debt taxes can't ccover it

I wish I could’ve gained weight with Invega unfortunately I’m actually underweight right now by around 9 to 12 pounds..it’s like that poison has sucked the drive out of me to do the most basic things and cooking is one of them.. I eat very little now compared to before.. I’m just wondering if I’m the only one on here that’s had change in appetite and desire to cook or anything

I lost my desire to cook / bake but it all came back, I even won 3rd place in the citywide pie contest in 2021

Man I cant explain how 5 months went so quick... another 5months I should be near fully recovered even though Ive taken 10 shots, I dont see any difference from 3 shots or taking 10 it might take a little longer maybe around 14-18 months for me to fully recover but right now I do still feel invega in me but its nowhere near 4 months ago, I get better every month to my former self, I'm just scared that I will get psychosis out of nowhere I dont do drugs or anything and my sleeping is good.

Psychosis won't come out of nowhere but pay attention to your feelings and get help early! There are lots of professionals out there who actually want to help.

First things you will gradually start to notice is feeling minuscule interest into something that will happen, longer focus and you will be a bit more eased in walks (possibly only at small moments, but those small moments/windows will slowly become constant state).
But DON'T create too much expectations because reality will hit you hard. It does gradually and slowly get better, so hang in there.

This is accurate and reflects my experience recovering also.

I do believe some things will never be the same. Maybe a higher tolerance for substances, less moodswings, maybe other things idk.

However, I think the last 10% (from 90% to 100%) of recovery will take ages. Some side effects will linger.

That said, I already feel much better and I still have invega in the blood. I will do a blood test next month to figure out what dosage is left.

I’m much more concerned about my psychosis than the side effects of the drug.

It feels like ages, but invega does mess with your sense of time. In 4 years, the 1.5 Years to recovery will have felt like no time at all.

Dirtyinvega is the one with the youtube right? He claims he got crippling side effects. I for one don’t buy his tales and think he is a crybaby hypocondriac. What makes him so special that only he couldn’t stand in the shower? Anybody else get that side effect? If it’s true then he has some other underlying condition. Invega isn’t chemo.

Most of the users in previous threads are conspiracy nuts anyway, they think doctors are evil and try to poison us. No wonder they have psychosis.

Either that or a heat of the moment thing when they were at their worst part of recovery. We’ve all been there

Btw, I just finished another 6 mile run today. I’m completely fine physically. I don’t want fearmongerers like dirtyinvega scare the crap out og future users of this forum

Dirtyinvega is on disability (I think for schizophrenia) and has admitted to AP use

Some users may have had severe side effects, no doubt, but 99% of us have the same anhedonia, sexual dysfuntction and more or less fatigue. These are all common to all of us. They are natural side effects of dopamine blockage.

Some say they get dumber as if they were rocket scientists to begin with

Many are simply exaggerating and this mentality is holding them back from recovery.

This creates fear and people lose hope, start getting pranoid. The users of this forum already have mental issues and these kind of posts is the reason why some may commit suicide.

The fact of the matter is that almost all users on this forum have recovered. Those who disappear are doing fine, otherwise we would have heard from them.

Why on earth would doctors give us medicine that make our health worse? All of them are psychopats? No, they know it is best for us in the long run, as much as we may hate it here and now.

Maybe there are some permanent effects, but nothing sesevere.

Suicide is a listed side effect of AP use.
Some who disappeared have relapsed, some have died, but I think most have recovered. I've been on this thread for four years.
Doctors follow "best practice" or face risk of lawsuit. Unfortunately, those who determine "best practice" are heavily tied to those who sell the drugs. It's easy to find these connections or doctors who gave been ousted for trying to pushback against the "neuroleptic first" mentality of treatment.
Tell me why Rexulti was just approved for use in seniors with dementia despite a ***70% increase in death*** in seniors who use the medication?
I understand that you are careful about being paranoid but sometimes this is just how the world works.

But you have no interest in them, you dont like doing them?

Your job is boring by default, I know people who work it. But anhedonia and numbness from invega takes boring things to extremes.
Invega also destroys and numbs any moods so it's harder to cope with boring things, normal brain would easily handle because brain tries to calm you down while something is boring.

Just constantly watching football on TV is also not something you should do while having anhedonia.

That's basically one part of the definition of anhedonia.

The more I recovered less extremely boring things were to me and less pain boredom caused to me therefore I had a improvement at interest in doing things I liked before.
Everything I liked before, invega made it monotone and EXTREMELY boring and I lost all my interests, I could not focus on anyhting, I could not feel the negative or positive moods.

It is terrifying how invega strips away such essential things, it strips away the point in living completely.

Just walking in the park was extremely hard task to do but I was doing it every day to at least help the body, just showering myself was extremely hard, or waiting 30minutes was seeming so long and then I was having akathisia and body pains whcih made it even worse. Just existing was extremely hard, every moment was pain and only pain. It all gradually eased up.
Things are now MUCH more different in so many areas than at beginning of going off invega, it is hard to imagine it.

Btw I think your posts like this will just make other members panick. Your words look devaluating even though I know you aren't trying todo so.

His posts are just fine. It's very encouraging that he can exercise, articulate himself so well, and do so many activities.

I also notice the people that complain the most were all «misdiagnosed». They don’t seem worried about psychosis.

Maybe they would recover faster if they would deal with their menntal health instead of focusing all their energy on the drug. Just my two cents

Misdiagnosis is actually a thing. Most of us never even talked to a therapist - are you psychotic? You must be a schizophrenic for life - this is not a scientifically sound way to diagnose this mental ilness. Signed, someone who lives happily med -free after being told my life was over and doomed to permanent chemical straitjacket by multiples psychs

I believe this fear of big pharma and disbelief in doctors is all rooted in paranoia and psychosis, it’s irrational and doesn’t make sense. This kind of thinking is dangerous in and of itself, which is why many are injected to begin with.

What makes sense to me is the government want us healthy and strong so we can work and pay taxes.

I believe big pharma has the ultimate goal of making money. But it is not they who decide whether we need medicine, it’s the doctors and the state.

Big pharma makes most of its money from regulation. Pharmaceutical companies and the state aren't institutions that exist in vacuums. If your theories worked, my husband would have never been fired for not taking a drug that didn't work by order of the state (fired people don't pay taxes)

Is crying sign of improvement? I couldn cry now i can. What do you think

Yes! That's a great sign. Keep going.

I have a degree in biochemistry, and I provided quite a stash of research in past thread. But even you can read certified labs researches and books on biochemistry.
Receptor protein interactions fall into biochemistry. Please don't be a sheep bro.

Receptor proteins are prone to deformations from such strong long lasting antagonists.

You're a great resource and asset to the thread IMO, I've learned a lot from your posts. But please, no one wants to see a physical fight between two invega zombies, I feel sad just thinking about it

I think the main goal of long acting injectables are to take a person out of psychosis. I don’t think they are purposefully giving us these side effects because the doctors are bad people. The main dilemma, in my opinion, is something you already pointed out. They take us out of psychosis so they think to themselves ”the medication works.” They don’t realize there are adverse effects form the medication. And when we do get these side effects from the medication, they think it is the schizophrenia or bipolar syndrome. They are giving us these nasty side effects, but in their eyes, it is the mental condition that is responsible for giving us these side effects. And technically, there is no way to prove it was the medication. Even though we all know we weren’t like this before the medication. Otherwise, there would be a lawsuit for it. A lawyer can’t prove symptoms like anhedonia and a blank mind. They can prove gynecomastia.

Invega used the fact that its patients were less likely to end up back in jail as a selling point. If I'm locked in my house I won't end up in jail either, but we are using the wrong metrics when determining whether the drug is "good" or not

 

[Kaatrina]

Over time I'll be making some videos sharing my experience with recovery - I wish more had existed when I was recovering and I think more people are ending up on neuroleptics than ever so I want to put some positive messages out there

On invega recovery - last injection Jan 2019

Recovering from invega can be a hopeless experience. I want to share my thoughts and advice for those going through it

rumble.com

 

[Kiaf85]

Over time I'll be making some videos sharing my experience with recovery - I wish more had existed when I was recovering and I think more people are ending up on neuroleptics than ever so I want to put some positive messages out there

On invega recovery - last injection Jan 2019

Recovering from invega can be a hopeless experience. I want to share my thoughts and advice for those going through it

rumble.com

I think that this would be a great idea.

 

[roofmaan1]

I just want my dopamine reseptors baaaack!!!!

 

[roofmaan1]

I used to get fluided with dopamine before now its just not working at all. can anyone say dopamine reseptors recover?
im 3 months off and dont feel no pleasure from anything
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[Carl Jr]

I feel like i might have brain damage

Like my brain is dead

 

[t_xeplionhell]

It's very encouraging that he can exercise and do so many activities.

You call it "so many activities". He is working at "tax and accounting", watching football on tv and exercising.
If that is so many then what I'm doing would be at least x4 more. What he is doing I call lack of activities, especially mental ones.