SpiralusSancti
Bluelighter
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Wow at those doses I really wouldn't expect much. F-lam is way stronger than Pam. I found 4mg to be about equal to 10mg diazepam but way longer lastingThese are brief, because for me there isn't much to say about Bnezodiazapines. Benzodiazapines lack the intrigue and the psychological therapeutic value of psychedelic medicines. I mostly use benzodiazapines infrequently for sleep.
All of the Fluro-Bromo benzodiazapines I have used appear to have similar potency (Flubromaolam, Flubromazepam, and Flubrotizolam).
These doses are approximate. I disolved the pill in everclear and dosed volumetrically from that.
Flubromazepam (7-Bromo-5-(2-fluorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-1,4-benzodiazepin-2-one)
Dose 1: 250ug in everclear administered sublingually
0:00
-250ug in everclear administered sublingually.
0:15
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-I feel something happening.
0:30
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-There is a strong apathetic effect without the warmth or calm of other benzodiazapines. My pupils are normal. This feels more lucid than other benzodiazapines. I am starting to notice some coordination problems similar to alcohol intoxication, yet I do not feel intoxicated.
1:00
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-I had some prescription Clonazepam years ago and I think this is stronger than 1.25mg of Cloazepam. This has a similar potency to Flubromazolam while being less calming. This feels euphoric and slightly alert. There is a stronger urge to redose than other benzodiazapines. I thought there would be more sedation. This lacks the comfort and warmth of other benzodiazapines. There is something unpleasant about this. This feels really addictive and there is a strong urge to redose. I am stumbling around some and somehow sleep does not seem easy. I am confused and disoriented.
1:30
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-I am asleep.
10:00
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-I feel as intoxicated as I was before going to sleep. I am making some mistakes and feel a vague apathy and strange euphoric push that makes me want to redose (I do not redose).
15:00
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-I still feel intoxicated and the effects are still the same though becoming slightly more energetic. I made mistakes at work all day feeling confused.
24:00
++/+++
-I still feel the same energetic calming euphoric apathy.
36:00
+/++
-I am not sober yet.
48:00
-The euphoria and apathy are gone. I feel jittery and my hands are a little shaky all day.
Dose 2: 70ug in everclear administered sublingually
0:00
-70ug in everclear administered sublingually.
-This was a few days after the first dose.
0:30
-I clearly feel the same euphoric apathy at a more mild level. There is something unpleasant about this.
12:00
-The effects are still noticeable.
Dose 3: 70ug in everclear administered sublingually.
0:00
-70ug in everclear administered sublingually
-This was a few days after the second dose.
0:30
-I clearly feel the same euphoric apathy at a more mild level. There is something unpleasant about this.
12:00
-The effects are still noticeable. At this dose there was not any shaking after the effects wore off. I did not redose after this and do not desire to take this chemical again.
Hi mate. Thanks for never ceasing to keep my best interests in mind.Was thinking @AutoTripper maybe this one, or norflurazepam, both with long half lives may be gentler than bromazolam as far as onset and heaviness. Although 100 hour half life is something to keep an eye on but if a person is dependent on daily use then it may not matter.
I think with bromazolam people have posted that there are no metabolites. So when wears off with daily use the rebound is quicker. Unlike some of these benzos that keep breaking down into other valid benzos in a persons system so the rebound is slow. Of course that info was just from things I read here as well as Reddit. But maybe one of these longer acting ones could suit you better. (just trying to think out loud.)
But wow, 100 hour half life? So flubromazepam takes weeks to get out of a persons system? And I thought diazepam is bad.
Interesting statement, I think in a way we all like that things wear off so we an take them again and go from A to B. I had always said people that smoke cannabis constantly through the day miss that fact, that the high is going from A to B. If you are always at B then there is no change. People high every minute of the day are always at B. Where would the relief be?I like things to wear off also, like weed, before new refresh.
I am sort of an odd duck when it comes to questions like this, as to where would we ever get proof that a long acting benzo could shrink the brain? I see what you are saying and logic dictates the brain should need a break. Or things will just keep building up and then who knows what happens. By that logic most AD's and AP's can cause issues and we may find out they do. Should we worry about that? Absolutely not until valid evidence comes in.What do you think about brain damage and half-life relation when it comes to benzos? I wouldn’t be surprised that really long half-life, really potent benzos shrink brain even more and other really bad things known to be consequence of their use. I have nothing to support that but the idea that it’s good to give brain some break.
I'm still aiming hard to cap at 20 mg's max though.
I wrote brain-shrinking (which is definitely linked to antipsychotics) but what I meant was any and all kinds of negative, measurable impacts on the brain. And there’s quite a few that could and should be investigated. Here’s how we would find more about it -I am sort of an odd duck when it comes to questions like this, as to where would we ever get proof that a long acting benzo could shrink the brain? I see what you are saying and logic dictates the brain should need a break. Or things will just keep building up and then who knows what happens. By that logic most AD's and AP's can cause issues and we may find out they do. Should we worry about that? Absolutely not until valid evidence comes in.
When it comes to studies and statistics there was a definite date I stopped listening. It was when I found out my FIL, who was 91 and was also was on 7 different meds, entered a turmeric study and then it was published. (where is the control in a controlled experiment in 2023?). I have to deal with logic everyday and that never made logical sense to me. Smoking causes cancer.......... in some people.
But on the concept of a brain shrinking a more medical mind may have actual theories. I think if a person takes care of their health then any one of these crazy experimental drugs the pharm companies put out will not harm that person. I realize that sounds silly in ways.
Quick answer: No I don't think there is a danger of brain shrinking because of half life with any drug, benzo, AD, or AP.
Noticed this when the RC-noids became avaiable. Despite being full instead of partial agonist's like Weed ( dangerous as it could lead to black outs/ losing concousnesss and addiction). Their duration was way shorter.Interesting statement, I think in a way we all like that things wear off so we an take them again and go from A to B. I had always said people that smoke cannabis constantly through the day miss that fact, that the high is going from A to B. If you are always at B then there is no change. People high every minute of the day are always at B. Where would the relief be?
I do remember too. JWH's lasted a good while. But I remember having a sample of 5F-UR-144 (I honestly can't remember the names anymore lol). That produced a strong high for 15 minutes, very strong, then it wore off and 20 minutes later it was like nothing happened. No tiredness or anything. A person could smoke that all day and be sober most of the day. I do like the mix of regular cannabis though. I need a good 2-3 hour high, not 15 minutes.Noticed this when the RC-noids became avaiable. Despite being full instead of partial agonist's like Weed ( dangerous as it could lead to black outs/ losing concousnesss and addiction). Their duration was way shorter.
Hey thanks for the links. Totally interesting reading. Luckly I never take anticholinergics (hate benadryl) and benzos I only use very sparingly.
UR-144 allready was way to stong for my liking, totally lost the plot vaping that. That why I stopped, the continuous changing. One time there were two that actually had names 'coindidently' of girl band's from Asia. Those noid's were actually quite good not as hardcore as UR-144.I do remember too. JWH's lasted a good while. But I remember having a sample of 5F-UR-144 (I honestly can't remember the names anymore lol). That produced a strong high for 15 minutes, very strong, then it wore off and 20 minutes later it was like nothing happened. No tiredness or anything. A person could smoke that all day and be sober most of the day. I do like the mix of regular cannabis though. I need a good 2-3 hour high, not 15 minutes.
Hey thanks for the links. Totally interesting reading. Luckly I never take anticholinergics (hate benadryl) and benzos I only use very sparingly.
Hi, thanks too except in my (fortunate?) case I have legit pure Bromazolam powder, really about equipotent to Etiz.WARNING: 20mg of the currently circulating "7-Bromo-5-(2-fluorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-1,4-benzodiazepin-2-one" could be lethal.
The correctly named Flubromazepam from the current Chemical Abstracts Service identification number is a hyperpotent analogue of the soviet drug named Phenazepam. "7-Bromo-5-(2-fluorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-1,4-benzodiazepin-2-one". While relatively few English language reports exist of Phenazepam, most indicated a lack of the lively positive effects of other benzodiazpaines and an increased prevalence of compulsive dosing, amnesia, and adverse reactions.
Pehnazepam has been reported as being a drug of abuse in America with a potency of 10X Diazepam; Flubromazepam is more potent.
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Flubromazepam
The drug being misrepresented/overdosed is problematic in the Netherlands and they are working rapidly to solve it. New Dutch legislation will be introduced next month. A consultation with Dutch addiction and harm reduction services has indicated they do not have sufficient reference samples and data to determine the extent of hospitalizations and deaths that have resulted from this.
you ever thikn that the everclear is making you "more intoxicated"....lolThese are brief, because for me there isn't much to say about Bnezodiazapines. Benzodiazapines lack the intrigue and the psychological therapeutic value of psychedelic medicines. I mostly use benzodiazapines infrequently for sleep.
All of the Fluro-Bromo benzodiazapines I have used appear to have similar potency (Flubromaolam, Flubromazepam, and Flubrotizolam).
These doses are approximate. I disolved the pill in everclear and dosed volumetrically from that.
Flubromazepam (7-Bromo-5-(2-fluorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-1,4-benzodiazepin-2-one)
Dose 1: 250ug in everclear administered sublingually
0:00
-250ug in everclear administered sublingually.
0:15
+
-I feel something happening.
0:30
++
-There is a strong apathetic effect without the warmth or calm of other benzodiazapines. My pupils are normal. This feels more lucid than other benzodiazapines. I am starting to notice some coordination problems similar to alcohol intoxication, yet I do not feel intoxicated.
1:00
+++
-I had some prescription Clonazepam years ago and I think this is stronger than 1.25mg of Cloazepam. This has a similar potency to Flubromazolam while being less calming. This feels euphoric and slightly alert. There is a stronger urge to redose than other benzodiazapines. I thought there would be more sedation. This lacks the comfort and warmth of other benzodiazapines. There is something unpleasant about this. This feels really addictive and there is a strong urge to redose. I am stumbling around some and somehow sleep does not seem easy. I am confused and disoriented.
1:30
+++
-I am asleep.
10:00
+++
-I feel as intoxicated as I was before going to sleep. I am making some mistakes and feel a vague apathy and strange euphoric push that makes me want to redose (I do not redose).
15:00
+++
-I still feel intoxicated and the effects are still the same though becoming slightly more energetic. I made mistakes at work all day feeling confused.
24:00
++/+++
-I still feel the same energetic calming euphoric apathy.
36:00
+/++
-I am not sober yet.
48:00
-The euphoria and apathy are gone. I feel jittery and my hands are a little shaky all day.
Dose 2: 70ug in everclear administered sublingually
0:00
-70ug in everclear administered sublingually.
-This was a few days after the first dose.
0:30
-I clearly feel the same euphoric apathy at a more mild level. There is something unpleasant about this.
12:00
-The effects are still noticeable.
Dose 3: 70ug in everclear administered sublingually.
0:00
-70ug in everclear administered sublingually
-This was a few days after the second dose.
0:30
-I clearly feel the same euphoric apathy at a more mild level. There is something unpleasant about this.
12:00
-The effects are still noticeable. At this dose there was not any shaking after the effects wore off. I did not redose after this and do not desire to take this chemical again.
word dogg, source str8 4rm the communists China supplies...Who then ship it into a resident in that lives domestically. HAve it in les than aweek.Hi, thanks too except in my (fortunate?) case I have legit pure Bromazolam powder, really about equipotent to Etiz.
Still even 20 mg's daily Bromazolam makes for some right tussle. It's heavy.
Trying to ease down on all that atm.
As for its duration, directly from FlubromazEPAM, the average bz naive person will FEEL flubromazepam, and a number of its primary and secondary metabolites. 100-120 for fpam directly, and another 80+ from metabolites.
It's not related to bromazepam as the name suggests, but to Phenazepam. Forgive me, I don't use forums often and don't know how to post images.
Flubromazolam is an almost useless benzo. You build tolerance in days, but I'm not sure if that matters when .35ug is somewhere around the 7mg diazepam mark. A friend took a blotter that was 1.2mg and only woke up to pee, drink (and maybe drink pee) for 3 days. After that, all benzo tolerance had gone from some or lots. A typical recreational dose would be from 50-100ug. Any more than that for a bz naive person is sleep if you are lucky.
FPam and flam stack, just because of duration. While I wouldn't caution almost anyone from avoiding Flam, FPam has been used in lieu of prescribed tapers by multiple with relevant educations. Most of whom experienced great ease as compared to friends who tried traditional benzos. I would love to share their regimens, but they were all different in one way or another.
The consensus was PG-solved FPAM took ~ 90 mins to kick in and reached peak effect/serum levels in between 3 and 5 hours. Effects slowly reducing over an additional 8-10 hours, with a plateau 10+ hours
One person accidentally took 4mg 3 days in a row and said he felt fine but didn't remember anything for about 3 or 4 days
Doses were universally easier to reduce than other long acting benzos, regardless of mass. It seems that FPAM has an equivalency of 2:5 flubromazepam:diazepam, but without the need to dose daily, people found themselves more easily reducing the dose. A few people experienced abdominal cramps and loose stool, which I suspect was more from PG than anything related to the benzo reduction.
The hardest hurdle was apparently 2 fold, not daily dosing, and around the .5mg mark. After the .5mg barrier was crossed, the doses were all at .15mg every 3 days. All had been taking 5-10+ mg of etizolam more than once a day.
All of them received their FPAM from the same source in a group buy from China. All of this was reported the people who were intentionally tapering, and it is all anecdotal... but I have also heard much the same from almost anyone who used it to taper.