Having proper meds which stop the anxiety and help to sleep are a must and i find lope settles the stomach in large dose stops the shits which are a massive comfort and settle stomach so food stays down in small portions
Is Opiod withdrawal easy?
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SpiralusSancti
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At least for me opiod WD is nothing compared to benzo WD but that's really totally individual as I heard countless, X drug is hardest drug to stop while that same drug being piece of cake for another person who often did it in a higher dose or for a longer time. So my message to anyone about to stop opiod for the first time, or any drug in fact, if you have the will, knowledge about what to expect and how to handle it and some help it’s probably going to be a lot easier than you imagine if done properly.
After reading people stories here i think benzos sound really bad wds i know i rather wd from heroin then a high dose pregabalin wd even though after 7 days its over no paws but those 7 days
SpiralusSancti
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Don't know about pregabalin (used it shortly in big doses but luckily not long enough to experience wd) but with benzos not only it was worse to handle mentally than opiods but total recovery lasts many, many times longer and I suspect lasting damage is far more likely than with opiods if done long enough or in big enough doses, but still no one should be discouraged because of that as again from possibility to die from wd (or have seizures) to unrepairable damage are all mostly greatly far to exaggerated while on the other side addiction potential, side effects and that they should be used only short amount of time in almost all cases is largely ignored in many countries.
jasperkent
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Yeah, benzo WD is horrible. So is alcohol WD.
Alcohol+benzos? Yeah, I did that too. Absolutely the worst-- and also dangerously life-threatening. Really hardcore WDs.
On the other end of the scale is meth WD, which for me was easy. Sleep, eat, sleep. Repeat. Not a big deal. Coming off IV coke was rough psychologically --- very intense cravings and weird dreams but no physical repercussions and it was over in 2 or 3 weeks.
That's been my experience.
YMMV
plumbus-nine
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Oh yeah, withdrawing in jail must be hell on earth and could/should be seen as torture. In Switzerland they provide substitution in jail to addicts but one needs an assessment first which probably means at least some days of withdrawal. Don't know about the situation here in Mexico and don't intend to go to jail here.
smokeymcpot42088
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The thing is some of US yes i consider myself in the category. NEED BENZOS. For example I remember being 8 yrs old playing 'cops n robbers' with my friends and my heart starting to beat so hard I would get chest pains. I tried to go with marijuana as even 25 yrs ago I knew what a sentence benzos were. Well do to some police harrassment they got a patriot act no knock terrorist warrant and busted me for *drumrolll* attempted possesion of marijuana. That is after an 8 month investigation and them sledgehammering my walls in looking for no existent money. So NO MORE POT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. I knew I wouldn't be able to sleep so I saw a psychiatrist about insomnia. Was placed on benzos 25 years ago........Now in my mind there are two ways benzos should be used medically. 1. Short term as mentioned. 2. Lifelong script after idk 5 years or patients choice to wean off. I know if my benzo script got cut after 25 yrs well it would be bad for all involved. I watched them do it to a 70 yr old who was on xanax since she was 15. I fear very much that this hospital killed her by taking away two anti-seizure medications and giving her olanzipine which lowers the seizure threshold. She is still alive, I am in minimal contact......but her spirits aren't good, her years caught up overnight. Simply a broken hypocratic oath.
Taking someone off Xanax from the age of 15 is insane . Here in Holland that would never happen , there are laws here , they can't take anything away from what you're dependant on .
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how I dream of not living in america. Said person was basically kidnapped by police out of HER OWN HOUSE!! NO CHARGE, NO WARRANT, NO REASON GIVEN. Brought an hour away from where she lives to a hospital that is crooked af, she had five injections of ketamine and was pulled off of 4mg alprazolam and 225 mg lyrica daily and than was admitted to the psych ward for resisting...... I will note further that the police TRIED to do the same thing to her son with in a 6 month period. The boy (also 15 plus years of being on benzos) WAS GRABBED BY 3 Law enforcement agencies; AGAIN NO CHARGE, NO REASON GIVEN.
So let me be clear; In the USA THEY ARE CURRENTLY COMING INTO OUR HOMES WARRANTLESS AND TAKING US TO HOSPITALS TO AVOID DUE PROCESS.
Truth of the matter is when I was discussing with a state cop I mentioned this particular case and he basically said yea corrupt area and agreed this was only to incarcerate subjectively. MI is corrupt AF in a country the USA that is already corrupt AF.
I do believe the family is thinking about writing a book so people are not confused: You live in the US and see a psychiatrist, any two people (enemies snitches gangbangers there rep dont matter) say that you aren't thinking straight and you go away.
Your last bastion of a chance is an ER doctor recognizing that the cops are actually the bad guys in this situation.
Yes, A book must be wrote.
ps. how the hell are jails "med free". I thought medical came above legal. I know during probation my doctors script trumped them hating me failing for opiates. Sweet codeine. Leaves M and H on the board. muahhahahaha. at the time tramadol and almost all opioids too, haha back in the five strip days.
pss. what would the deal be in holland now that she was already pulled off of them? I dont know how she is ACTUALLY surviving but the family has money and wants to move.
So let me be clear; In the USA THEY ARE CURRENTLY COMING INTO OUR HOMES WARRANTLESS AND TAKING US TO HOSPITALS TO AVOID DUE PROCESS.
Truth of the matter is when I was discussing with a state cop I mentioned this particular case and he basically said yea corrupt area and agreed this was only to incarcerate subjectively. MI is corrupt AF in a country the USA that is already corrupt AF.
I do believe the family is thinking about writing a book so people are not confused: You live in the US and see a psychiatrist, any two people (enemies snitches gangbangers there rep dont matter) say that you aren't thinking straight and you go away.
Your last bastion of a chance is an ER doctor recognizing that the cops are actually the bad guys in this situation.
Yes, A book must be wrote.
ps. how the hell are jails "med free". I thought medical came above legal. I know during probation my doctors script trumped them hating me failing for opiates. Sweet codeine. Leaves M and H on the board. muahhahahaha. at the time tramadol and almost all opioids too, haha back in the five strip days.
pss. what would the deal be in holland now that she was already pulled off of them? I dont know how she is ACTUALLY surviving but the family has money and wants to move.
SpiralusSancti
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I understand that 100%. Personally I decided to stay away from benzos and rather take opiates or pretty much any other drugs instead. With opiates I get almost all medicinal effects I would get from benzos with addition of pain-relief and in fact all-round better effects while avoiding cognitive decline I notice with benzos. I know for many (most?) benzos consumed as prescribed are better option than opiates but that ain’t case with me. And with benzos, consumed as wanted, in my case I would end up in such a bad place it just ain’t worth it.
If I didn’t fuck up myself with etizolam but instead used it in dose it’s prescribed in countries where it’s Rx or even better, chose some (any) other benzo that I don’t find recreational I would look upon that drug class in totally different way. Now it’s more or less ruined for me. I would like to have etizolam or something similar (neither diaz, alpraz, diclazepam, nitrazepam, lorazepam, oksazepam, clonazepam work for me nearly as good) occasionally but that’s it. When you go trough as much etizolam as I did and other benzos don’t really work, there’s no point in taking them for slight benefits and brain fog. As weird as it may sound, the thing for which I do consider risking being on benzos for a few weeks is for increased efficiency (well I’m sure many feel the same), but only one I slightly get that beside etizolam is alprazolam but still not being nearly as good.
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Oh i dont know about this whole receptor fried by rc benzos dealio, I have a thread somewhere detailing me going from between 70 and 100 mg clam daily and now I am down to 2.75 mg of cpam. (slightly less than prescribed) and they seem to do the same as they ever did.
One persons experience. also dont buy a 'lifetime' supply of anything no matter how legal it is lol its a bad move.
SpiralusSancti
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You see, it’s quite simple. You are lucky and/or didn’t used it for that long and/or are still young so you recover better/faster.
I live in a country where #1 Rx drug is diazepam and have met quite a few for whom benzos simply don’t work anymore after years of (ab)use.
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You see, nothing about the human brain is simple. I have been scripted benzos since 16 and im over 35 now. I one point I believed I had a lifetime supply. I was literally approached to be a case study. in a hypothetical world lets say 300 mg clam a week, plus 100 on 'stressful days' for multiple years. (the most harmful part was the alcohol it was mixed with as time went on it did a # on my teeth. Alcohol is scummy.
Perhaps it is diazepam specific. Perhaps ppl are expecting too much from a benzo, they aren't super euphoric...ever. Hence sched 4.
My experience with those that again NEED benzos, they dont stop working. When your heart is beating out of your damn chest and your thoughts are racing so fast your brain is interrupting itself; they deliver relief. I have never met a person with 'blown benzo' receptors and I think I would be that person if they were out there.
Ill be honest my outlook was pretty damn bleak when I started my taper at about xxx mgs. I figured when it ran out so did my life most likely. But nope back to the precribed amount, took about 10 years of tapering but yea.
Furthermore if i accidentally take a second dose I feel darn good. If beer is an acquired taste I believe benzos to be an acquired buzz. if that makes sense.
Perhaps it is diazepam specific. Perhaps ppl are expecting too much from a benzo, they aren't super euphoric...ever. Hence sched 4.
My experience with those that again NEED benzos, they dont stop working. When your heart is beating out of your damn chest and your thoughts are racing so fast your brain is interrupting itself; they deliver relief. I have never met a person with 'blown benzo' receptors and I think I would be that person if they were out there.
Ill be honest my outlook was pretty damn bleak when I started my taper at about xxx mgs. I figured when it ran out so did my life most likely. But nope back to the precribed amount, took about 10 years of tapering but yea.
Furthermore if i accidentally take a second dose I feel darn good. If beer is an acquired taste I believe benzos to be an acquired buzz. if that makes sense.
ChemicallyEnhanced
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Time isn't always linear, nor does it always maintain the same elasticity. And this isn't even just my schizophrenia speaking. There's slow time and fast time as well. What is 7 days to the people around you could be a month in your slow time. This happens in withdrawal. You will feel tortured and want to die.
7 days may SOUND like nothing but you will experience lacrimation (very watery eyes), rhinorrhea (pouring nose), constant yawning, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, often vomiting and diarrhoea at the same time, shitting yourself is very possible, extreme sweating, involuntary, painful ejaculation..you will be SATURATED in all form of body fluids...aching muscles, BONE pain, dehydration, renal failure is a possibility...I have experienced shitting blood and mucus, I have ended up in the hospital from vomiting blood...oh and there's also depression anxiety, panic attacks.
And then when that's done you gets PAWS which entails chronic depression, anxiety, boredom and apathy and can last anywhere from 6 months to 2 years.
Oh and while it absolutely is rare, you CAN die from opioid withdrawal.
Stimulants are MUCH MUCH easier to come off than opioids/alcohol/benzos. I took amphetamines all day every day for 3 months...then stopped cold turkey, I did have the most uncontrollable desire to sleep...slept ~36hours straight...then was back to normal.
And if all of the above sounds bad, you don't even wanna KNOW about alcohol withdrawal (my soulmate died from it and I have had several grand mal seizures from it and even a mini-stroke)
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Sorry you lost your soulmate. Ive seen that kill healthy people. You repeatedly said you CAN die from opiate/oid withdrawl, could you give me an example situation?
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In case anyone's interested, there's something called The Ashton Manual for stopping benzos. It was written by (now deceased) Doctor and Professor Heather Ashton in the UK. I'm sure it's already been discussed a lot on this site, so this is nothing new. It has tapering schedules for specific benzos. This website has been around forever, which is why it looks the way it does lol. Anyone looking for info on this topic should know about this. She might've been one of the few professionals who truly understood how difficult benzo withdrawal could be. She was definitely ahead of her time, especially earlier in her career. She started a benzo withdrawal clinic in 1982!
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SpiralusSancti
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Yeah, I wish that’s so. People get benzos prescribed for various things, and if used daily, for some they stop working fast (off-label use of some like for sleep), sooner (like for most psychiatric issues) and later/never (like for muscle relaxation).
Talk what you want but addiction potential isn’t only reason benzos shouldn’t be used for longer than 3 weeks. Fact that people have them prescribed for decades doesn’t mean anything but that whole populations are addicted because of that.
Also a lot (same) like with beer with time you build up tolerance and need more to get (most) of the effects. For example starting dose of clonazepam is 0.5mg daily while after enough time, same people get prescribed up to 6mg daily. With diazepam sometimes it starts with 2mg as needed and same people end up on 30+mg daily. With alprazolam it can be low as 0.125mg as needed at the beginning and with time 6+mg daily.
I’m glad to hear that there are people lucky as you but most of people I know who use benzos daily with years and decades of use both escalate dose and get additional meds for issues which benzos stop helping with. Benzos don’t help with sleep anymore? Here’s mitrazapine. Benzos don’t really help with anxiety anymore? Here’s this SSRI. And so on… While most of those people would hugely benefit from stopping them, going trough WD and starting another meds, but that’s too expensive to do in our society. And really curing issues for which benzos are used, be it with drugs or therapies, is seen even less often.