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Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath

i saw a thing on the 'net today about joe tacopina.

tacopina is a lawyer who represents donald trump and he was claiming that, in the stormy daniels hush-money scandal, trump is the victim.

i did a little reading on tacopina and discovered that he represented julian khater, a january 6th insurrectionist who pleaded guilty to spraying a chemical agent in the face of officer brian sicknick. he was sentenced to 6 years in prison.

during the sentencing, tacopina cited khater's anxiety disorder and claimed "a pervasive mob mentality as the root causes of his behavior."

tacopina went on to say: "A climate of mass hysteria, fueled by the dissemination of misinformation about the 2020 election, originating at the highest level, gave rise to a visceral powder keg waiting to ignite...And that is precisely what occurred."

that's my emphasis.

trump is his client and he threw him right under the bus :)

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More proof that DC metro cops are pathetic and all other police and state police forces consider them to be pussies and it is known that DC metro PD are considered a total joke.



I'm not a Trumper, in fact I was a Democrat. Unfortunately, it's important to start with that.

I worked for the Federal Government and at the time I lived on Capitol Hill. I watched what was happening on January 6th from a safe distance, i.e. from about 500 yards away, and obviously took no part. It was a not a riot or "insurrection" or "coup" and ironically enough considering the title of the ghostwritten book by Fannone, the Capitol Police couldn't "hold the line." For those of us who go into the Capitol every day, this came as no surprise. The USCP is seen as a retirement job for cops or a cushy federal job for veterans. They check IDs and search trunks; that's it. The Washington Post did a story about three years ago looking into the department, and they found most of these guys were making more than a hundred grand a year with overtime. The highest paid of them made $180,00, and he was just a patrolman!

On January 6th, as soon as the DC cops showed up at the Capitol, order was quickly restored and the demonstration was quickly over. Interviews with the DC cops in The Post detailed how they thought the Capitol Police were in shock at what was happening. The real story of January 6th is that the Capitol cops were incompetent and complacent, from the days leading up to the demonstration to the demonstration or public protest itself. If they had been willing and able to do their jobs, none of the crowd would have been able to make it into the building, and there would have been no story. But that's not the narrative the government, fake news neo leftist media, and especially people like Fanone want to put out there. Doesn't sell as well, does it?

The U.S. Capitol Police: overpaid, overweight, over-run, and pathetic.
 
Let's compare coveerage of Jan 6 and the "demonstration" that occurred after the Nashville Shooter in March 2023.

How can we say one event was an "insurrection" and another a peaceful "demonstration?" Why were those detained on Jan 6 held for over 2 years without due process while those "demonstrating" this year allowed to simply go free? Why do we have to look at international news in order to get objective coverage? Why doesn't the US Media have any interest in asking questions about this the same way they did about Jan 6th?

 
Cheshire_Kat said:
Let's compare coveerage of Jan 6 and the "demonstration" that occurred after the Nashville Shooter in March 2023.

How can we say one event was an "insurrection" and another a peaceful "demonstration?" Why were those detained on Jan 6 held for over 2 years without due process while those "demonstrating" this year allowed to simply go free? Why do we have to look at international news in order to get objective coverage? Why doesn't the US Media have any interest in asking questions about this the same way they did about Jan 6th?

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On Jan 6th people openly said they were trying to overturn an election, reinstate Trump, hang Mike Pence, etc. That's kinda the definition of insurrection, at least in principle. Not all of them of course, but quite a few, and mob mentality takes over.

These people seem to be demanding gun control, with threat of, or actual violence.

I dunno, it all seems somewhat semantical, but I can see an appreciable difference. One was based on lies from a manipulative grifter, and the other is people mad because children keep getting murdered.

I don't agree with anyone storming government buildings, it's a sign of an unhealthy democracy.

These people should be prosecuted similarly.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Yeah it's pretty simple in my eyes. Rules are rules.

I think government institutions such as capitol buildings are sanctuaries of order. That's the damn point of democracy!
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Yes, and everyone is allowed to demonstrate; however no violence, no trespassing, no destruction of property that demonstrators don't actually own.

Those are the boundaries of peaceful demonstration.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
Yes, and everyone is allowed to demonstrate; however no violence, no trespassing, no destruction of property that demonstrators don't actually own.

Those are the boundaries of peaceful demonstration.
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It's like we forgot everything great MLK taught this country

Although I do believe modern technology, the internet, tends to radicalize people in ways we've never seen
 
Snafu in the Void said:
I don't agree with anyone storming government buildings, it's a sign of an unhealthy democracy.
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I don't think it's as simple as this..
I mean, obviously it's a symptom of an unhealthy democracy, but I would add: sometimes it's a necessity of a failed democracy.

In Spain there was a Rodea el Congreso (Surrounding the Congress) meeting, there was like thousands of people, I was there in fact.
without much sense or reason it turned into a pitched battle in which cobblestones and the like were thrown, rubber balls were thrown, people were injured, etc?
The police repression was disproportionate. The reason for the initial formation of this initiative was the terrible conditions in which the country found itself, both politically and economically. It was not intended to enter the Congress or attack anyone, but because of a series of individuals (perhaps infiltrated by the police, as it usually happens...) it got messy.

The media put the event as if it was a disaster, a bunch of crazy radicals, etc etc. Typical. It was the "radical left" who had organized that (according to them). At that time the "left" was governing in my country, the PSOE. The PSOE is a social-democrat party but much more "left" than the democrats in the USA. It is basically a Masonic party, with clear tendencies of societal dissolution and absurd social policies, based on the most flagrant clientelism.
Well, at that time I considered myself an anarchist and I was looking forward to the fall of the Masonic and repressive PSOE government (they had violently dissolved the camping all over Spain that were there in public spaces due to the 15-M movement).
I considered it a necessity (to confront the Government) at all levels, moral, political, economic, social... If grassroots society doesn't do anything then they will ever reign over us.
Sadly, nothing happent, they made a horrible Law later, on which they basically can repress much harder and with terrible fines and prison for those who ever intend to confront the Government by (unapproved) demonstrations and other stuff.

I did not consider any of that to be "unhealthy", since what was tremendously unhealthy was the repression of the Government and the lies of the mass media.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Rules are rules.

I think government institutions such as capitol buildings are sanctuaries of order. That's the damn point of democracy!
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I think you say all that because you don't live in a really fucked up country, otherwise you wouldn't say that....
I recommend you to read Thoreau's On the Duty of Civil Disobedience, just in case you didn't already or you forgot about it.
 
Neuroborean said:
I think you say all that because you don't live in a really fucked up country, otherwise you wouldn't say that....
I recommend you to read Thoreau's On the Duty of Civil Disobedience, just in case you didn't already or you forgot about it.
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If one acts on that duty that Thoreau describes it is no longer a "peaceful demonstration".

The media and the government are using incorrect definitions in order to distort the appearance of the actual facts to citizens. It doesn't matter what the "cause" is. If it was violent, then it's violent.

We've had violent demonstrations here in the US; Think Chicago Democratic Convention riots in the 60's. Demonstrators were arrested, however back then they were actually allowed to have due process and had their day in court. Everyone is guaranteed a speedy trial in the US, None of the demonstrators were convicted and all were allowed to return to society.

There are violent criminals who get released on bond, multiple instance each in many cases, but for some reason many of the Jan 6th suspects are still in jail, waiting due process.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
If one acts on that duty that Thoreau describes it is no longer a "peaceful demonstration".

The media and the government are using incorrect definitions in order to distort the appearance of the actual facts to citizens. It doesn't matter what the "cause" is. If it was violent, then it's violent.

We've had violent demonstrations here in the US; Think Chicago Democreedy trial atic Convention riots in the 60's. Demonstrators were arrested, however back then they were actually allowed to have due process and had their day in court. Everyone is guaranteed a spin the US, None of the demonstrators were convicted and all were allowed to return to society.

There are violent criminals who get released on bond, multiple instance each in many cases, but for some reason many of the Jan 6th suspects are still in jail, waiting due process.
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If you read (I guess you did, but anyway) my previous message in the thread, I don't want to enter into the "you're worse" discussion.
I clearly see that there's double standards, which I hate and they are obvious symptoms of a criminal state which benefits some to punish others. That's an ideological Government and something like that almost inevitably leads to a progressive totalitarian State.
I also see that it's important to "keep civil standards" for everyone if you want to maintain a democratic State, but my point was that there's some situations on which if the State is not democratic then there could be instances on which a "peaceful demonstration" is sadly not enough.
The problem for that is that setting the limits and boundaries on which that "not-that-peaciful" demonstration needs to happen, it's not easy, I mean, it seems to be almost rationally impossible because the State and MSM will never consider that that instance is fair to happen.
 
Neuroborean said:
I think you say all that because you don't live in a really fucked up country, otherwise you wouldn't say that....
I recommend you to read Thoreau's On the Duty of Civil Disobedience, just in case you didn't already or you forgot about it.
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You're right, I'm talking about the US and events in the US. If I was in Myanmar, Iran, Venezuela or some place I wouldn't be saying that. I'd say the US is still a fucked up country, but not in that way.

I love Thoreau, read all his stuff when I was younger. He was a big inspiration for me. But I also think sometimes philosophy like that, and a lot of philosophy in general, can be overglorified and isn't all that practical in modern society or in all situations. It isn't always an option for some people to abandon government or go live in the woods when the government or private people own every square inch of this land.
 
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In anycase, I think I said it here or somewhere else but it's pretty clear that the attack on the Capitol was a psy-op and a theater caused by the same who were to "drain the swamp", which is almost funny.
I think it's sad that some people could get in jail being more or less innocent or more or less guilty and others doing the same or worse just go free. That's double standards. It doesn't surprise me, tho,
in my country there was some years ago a paramilitary group that were doing State terrorism killing whoever was "uncomfortable" for them, including other terrorists, separatists. You never know what the Deep State is doing and why. The climax of all this is the fact that those who said to be the saviours of the Democracy and were going to drain the swamp of the Deep State were themselves a part of the Deep State...
but again, is not a real surprise.
 
Neuroborean said:
In anycase, I think I said it here or somewhere else but it's pretty clear that the attack on the Capitol was a psy-op and a theater caused by the same who were to "drain the swamp", which is almost funny.
I think it's sad that some people could get in jail being more or less innocent or more or less guilty and others doing the same or worse just go free. That's double standards. It doesn't surprise me, tho,
in my country there was some years ago a paramilitary group that were doing State terrorism killing whoever was "uncomfortable" for them, including other terrorists, separatists. You never know what the Deep State is doing and why. The climax of all this is the fact that those who said to be the saviours of the Democracy and were going to drain the swamp of the Deep State were themselves a part of the Deep State...
but again, is not a real surprise.
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Possibly. Could be either side and I pretty much gave up trying to figure it out.

Not trying to steer the course or take a side, just noting some of the data points along along our collective trajectory. Sort of a Hari Seldon without a plan if you've read "The Foundation Trilogy".
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Yeah it's pretty simple in my eyes. Rules are rules.
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Just a quick thought, as I don’t like to get involved in these discussions ha ha. Nature does not care if you give the finger to gravity. You will reap the results. That is all, not a discussion of what is a just law or not. Just possible. outcomes from breaking perceived laws as well as natural laws. I know some laws are fucked up. it should be an even playing field for every human at the very least.
 
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