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[SuperPsych]

Having only tried a small handful of RC psychedelics, there are a few I feel I'm missing out on / I should try-before-i-die.

Namely DPT and 5-meo-dipt. DPT just sounds like nothing else, the sheer intensity sounds like something worth experiencing. And Shulgin's description of foxy (5-meo-dipt) as lsd-like is enough to pique my interest.

A lot of the 4-subs interest me. I'd be curious to try most of them. 4-ho-met for the psychedelic "candy," 4-ho-det has intrigued me in the past, but I can't even recall the specific reason.

DPT I only tried once and I was on benzos at the time. Still, it wasn't bad but it did have an 'eerie' vibe to it. The only psychedelic I've done that felt 'creepy'. I do have some and do intend on trying it at some point. It seems really cool.

5-MeO-Dipt is one that also really fascinates me. I did really love 5-meo-mipt but I get the vibe from 5-meo-dipt that I'll really love it, and usually when i have that gut feeling its not wrong. I was finally able to source some recently and am very excited to have the chance to try it.

4-HO-DET is another that i have that gut feeling about that also fascinates me for some reasons that i dont remember. Its been a long time since ive read any trip reports on it. I did try 4-ACO-DET but only once. I found it enjoyable but nothing special at the time, though I split the small amount I had between me and 4 friends, so it was a light dose each in a social setting. Would love to explore the 4-subbed-DET's solo.

Did finally get my hands on 4-HO-MET which I've only tried once, so I'm excited about that. The one time i did it was great and the internet speaks so highly of it.

AMT is another one of those "I must try before I die" drugs, but i havent been able to find any yet I'm sure it'd be one of my favorite drugs. It sounds sublime.

Yeah it's definitely cause for caution. The actual experience for me was unusual, from what I have read about. I did a combination of pure ibogaine and total alkaloid extract, so I got the full range of alkaloids but in a different ratio than eating the root powder. I found it physically comfortable, actually my body felt really good, and I was basically dreaming whether awake or asleep for 3 days and nights. The first day and night I barely remember, except for flashes of total confusion and hazy dreamscapes. The second day and night I was still laying in bed, but I remember the dreams well, and had flashes of waking up and having the wildest visual effects, but only occasionally remembering I had taken ibogaine. The third day and night I got up and was moving around and doing stuff and I believed I had come down, and I felt incredible, but in reality I was slipping in and out of full-on dreams that were overlaying my reality. My sitter had stopped watching me because we thought I'd be fine to care for myself after 24 hours, at the guidance of my mentor (morninggloryseed, RIP bud ), and I did some shit like emailed my boss a bunch of gibberish.

The 4th day I actually was back, and was in a state of absolute hypomania, I can't recall a tike I've ever felt better. Withdrawals were utterly gone and I felt like, well, it's hard to explain. But the whole experience hadn't sunk in yet, I had a wild smattering of bits of dream, which I started writing down every time I remembered them so the whole experience didn't slip away. I started doing various drugs because I was hypomanic, and slipped on opiates a couple of times, too. Then the withdrawals came back and I was so ashamed. I had reserved a booster dose, and decided to take it on night 6. it was about 1/3 of the original flood dose. That night I had more of a visionary experience, though they were dreams of a similar sort f "magical" nature (it changed my dream architecture for YEARS afterwards). But I was aware I was dreaming. Also the dreams were more mystical/spiritual in nature, including one of dying and being reborn (that was the last one I remembered before I fell to actual sleep).

I woke up the next morning feeling withdrawal and terrible about myself. Called my mom, cried, thought a lot. Then for some reason in the shower, it all just clicked in my brain, somehow. I looked at how skeletal I was and remembered all the dreams in sequence and even though I didn't have any sort of like teacher/guide experience showing me my past and teaching me things like most people describe, it's like my subconsciousness rearranged itself, and my internal narrative just changed, and I realized I didn't have to be this way. I could work out, get healthy, go to therapy, like fuck these withdrawals, who cares? I got up and did exactly that. before long I was past the light withdrawals I had and I was working out daily and I had the best 2 years of my whole life after that. Felt some level of that hypomania for the whole 2 years, I saw visuals at night for 2 weeks, and had extremely vivid and narrative dreams for like 4 years. The thought of opiates made me feel disgusted.

Anyway, yeah, I did it at home, I had my friend watch me, but as I mentioned, after 24 hours we thought I'd be fine, and he started going to work and then coming back to check on me, and sleeping at home at night.

I wrote the whole experience down, if you're interested, it's incredibly long and detailed, largely for my own purposes so I can always remember. Its in Trip Reports and also Erowid.



I hadn't heard about 5-MeO-DMT deaths. Are you talking about from toad venom, or pure 5-MeO-DMT?



I have yet t try DPT, too, although I have some. It intimidates me even though everyone I know here says it's great and not to be scared,. it's those early trip reports I grew up reading... made it sound scary.

5-MeO-DiPT is fun, but really nothing special, for me anyway. I much prefer 5-MeO-MiPT.



Personally I haven't found it to make me horny or think about sex or anything. I can imagine it being good for sex, should sex come up as a possibility, though.

That ibogaine experience sounds absolutely amazing I'm happy that you had it. Do we know the cause of death when it comes to Ibogaine? Why do some people die when they take it? I would love to experience it at some point.

It does seem like deaths are more likely with Toad Venom, but there have been a few with 5-MeO-DMT. Usually in combination with a stimulant or something.

I do intend to try it but only with 2 trip sitters, one to get me in the recovery position if need be or to keep me grounded and another to dial 911 if necessary. I know the chances of something going wrong are not high, but the thought still causes me intense anxiety. Still, I'm definitely trying it before I die and I do have some on hand for when I'm ready.

5-MeO-MIPT was me and my ex's choice sex drug when we first started dating. We'd just be in bed for like 8-12 hour having sex only taking breaks for food and bathroom. A real "child at the playground" vibe when it came to love making that was a ton of fun.

I almost invariably put eight in mine. Never did more than that though because I was afraid of popping them. After a certain point it starts to wear off too fast anyway, I've had two balloons with eight each one in each hand and it didn't make much of a difference compared to one.



I generally don't read fiction anymore but I watch too much TV and this sounds hugely similar to the background story of Adventure Time. You mostly have to pick it up from being a long-time watcher and paying attention to stuff since it portrays itself as a kids' cartoon with main characters that mostly just go with the flow. Love that show.



The number of deaths from either ibogaine or 5-MeO-DMT is, to my knowledge, extremely small. Like, DMXE is probably a greater risk to your life if I had to guess, and I realize that's a big claim. Not saying you should throw caution to the wind but just putting that out there.



I've tried dozens of research chemical psychedelics and I've still got those. DOM is one I really hope I get to try one day but have no ability to yet.

I've tried both DPT and 5-MeO-DiPT. I like them both. I think it's worth noting that lots of early DPT reports (like the ones Xorkoth referenced) used incredibly high dosages, and I honestly think that's a huge part of where its reputation comes from. I smoked 30 mg and it was great with no rough edges or severe intensity of any kind. I know someone who IM'd 20 mg and had a complete out-of-body experience from it. I actually found it to be one of the smoothest and calmest psychedelics I've ever tried, particularly for the intensity, and I've not tried a small number of psychedelics. It reminded me a lot of the more visual 4-substituted tryptamines like 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MPT except with more realism (typical of base vs 4-substituted tryptamines for me) and a complete lack of their stimulation. Although it also had a more alien and demonic vibe like 4-HO-DET and colors more like 4-HO-DPT, which are also dark and shadowy for me, so I kind of felt I got why it's called "dark" sometimes, although this was entirely superficial for me and not about how I felt or responded emotionally to the trip. I just thought it was cool.

5-MeO-DiPT does actually have a surprising amount of people comparing to LSD if you read enough trip reports, and I tend to agree. I find both 5-MeO-DiPT and 5-MeO-MiPT to be similar to both mushrooms and LSD in some ways but 5-MeO-MiPT is the one I would say is closer to mushrooms and 5-MeO-DiPT is the one that's closer to LSD. Despite this, 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-DiPT are probably also the two most similar things to one another for me, even more so than the structural step between them, 5-MeO-EiPT, which is rather more unique for me. Also in spite of this similarity, I don't find 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-DiPT interchangeable, and actually find both of them to be relatively unique overall compared to most other things. For me 5-MeO-MiPT is the one that's more fun while 5-MeO-DiPT is the one that's more deep. Granted, I've also noticed that the response to 5-substituted tryptamines seems to vary significantly more widely than that to a lot of other psychedelics, and I'm in the group of people who get more classical psychedelic experiences from them very easily, so it's easy for me to feel satisfied with them and compare them readily to other psychedelics which doesn't always seem to be as easy for other people. One of the things that's fun for me with 5-MeO-MiPT is that it has a style that I also find in the more fun 4-substituted tryptamines that I tend to refer to as burlesque. By comparison 5-MeO-DiPT has a more powerful and serious vibe that feels like it can be ancient or take me into the cosmos, although the head trip is still more grounded but dissociative and usually feels human like LSD as opposed to being transporting and alien like DMT has a reputation for.

It does make me horny. Mostly in a delirious way though.

As mentioned above, I actually find the style of 4-HO-DET comparable to that of DPT that I assume gives the latter its reputation. I think it's one of the most interesting 4-substituted tryptamines although it's one of the least fun of the ones that are still really strong, it's just not quite as comforting to me but that's part of what makes it stand out. It's still more of a classical and less narcotic trip than DPT for me too. I like it but I haven't used it much.

You're probably right that I'm being overly cautious. I have an anxiety disorder and there are some thing that just freak me out. The thought of dying on 5-MeO-DMT being one of them

What was your preferred 5-MeO-Dipt dosage and RoA? Did you do it orally or vape it or what?

 

[Xorkoth]

That ibogaine experience sounds absolutely amazing I'm happy that you had it. Do we know the cause of death when it comes to Ibogaine? Why do some people die when they take it? I would love to experience it at some point.

The deaths are due to Long QT Syndrome, and it seems that you can almost entirely rule out the risk if you get your heart tested beforehand, to ensure you are not at risk.

 

[SuperPsych]

The deaths are due to Long QT Syndrome, and it seems that you can almost entirely rule out the risk if you get your heart tested beforehand, to ensure you are not at risk.

Thats good to know. Did you get tested beforehand? I was considering trying to source some for my hop off of Suboxone but I'm pretty sure Suboxone can cause Long QT syndrome.

I may stick with memantine when I hop off of suboxone because @cosmic charlie has me rather interested in memantine as of late

Called out of work sick today. Fighting a bit of a cold. So I just consumed my first dose of O-PCE. Snorted 6mg. O-PCE has been one of my more sought after dissociatives over the last few years and am happy to give it a shot finally. I figure a dissociative will help cover my cold symptoms and enable me to still handle some chores and whatnot.

 

[cosmic charlie]

My vendor has O-PCE freebase for a good price and i wanted to get a gram of it, but im planning on just doing it once in awhile and keeping it tucked away in a glass vial. What do you think the shelf-life would be on that compared to the HCL. And for ROA i hear vaping is amazing but i would really like to consume it orally, i hear the freebase converts in your stomach acid. Have any of you have experience with Dissos that are freebase, will it come in a powder still?

 

[cosmic charlie]

Well i talked to the guy and the O-PCE is crystalline and can only be vaporized. So i guess that im just gonna use and oil burner and put a little bit in at a time. Bet its gonna be wild i heard that its a great ROA. From what i read it a powerful short trip and you generally redose numerous times, but since the duration is short when you stop im guessing youll be able to sleep faster than if you took it orally.

 

[SuperPsych]

Well i talked to the guy and the O-PCE is crystalline and can only be vaporized. So i guess that im just gonna use and oil burner and put a little bit in at a time. Bet its gonna be wild i heard that its a great ROA. From what i read it a powerful short trip and you generally redose numerous times, but since the duration is short when you stop im guessing youll be able to sleep faster than if you took it orally.

I tried O-PCE for the first time yesterday a little over 20mg snorted throughout the night. I do have a decent tolerance to dissociatives. However, I thought it was a beautiful chemical. The headspace is a little cold and clinical as has been described, but the effect it has on the visual field is lovely. I think it would be great in combination with psychedelics. I think it'd go great with LSD and some of the 2cx. Didnt try vaporizing it and probably never will. I've never liked vaporizing dissociatives. The effects were nice and not as rough as I expected from other people's experiences. I did end up having a bit of an anxiety attack at one point. Been having issues with my lung and hyperfixated on that and also focused on an unpleasant situation with an old friend who's up to no good, but both of those things are things that happen to me every now and again when I take dissociatives. The trip was pleasant overall despite that

 

[islander20]

The intensity of the onset when vaping O-PCE is reminiscent of salvia. Rapid, instantly falling through the couch. I wasn't to keen on it, it is very cold. Good for holing though, it is strong! A little goes a long way, be careful.

Also it would be fine to eat or plug the freebase as well.

 

[cosmic charlie]

The intensity of the onset when vaping O-PCE is reminiscent of salvia. Rapid, instantly falling through the couch. I wasn't to keen on it, it is very cold. Good for holing though, it is strong! A little goes a long way, be careful.

Also it would be fine to eat or plug the freebase as well.

Yeah i mean couldnt you just mix it with some vinegar and water in a spoon and heat it quickly and form O-PCE acetate, maybe plug it even. Was kinda confused when he said it was just orally, this guy is a great vendor tho so im sure it is as advertised. Personally i really love O-PCE orally in the 25-30mg range orally it has one of the best holes ever.

Since i have a perma-tolerance its one of the best dissos for me to hole on. Last time i did like 50mgs over the period of a day with the doses spread like 6hrs apart, touched god and became one with everything cosmic love sorta vibe. Was on a big dose of 2C-B-FLY also like 20mgs+. Such an incredible combo, powerful synergy.

 

[Chris Timothy]

Thats good to know. Did you get tested beforehand? I was considering trying to source some for my hop off of Suboxone but I'm pretty sure Suboxone can cause Long QT syndrome.

I may stick with memantine when I hop off of suboxone because @cosmic charlie has me rather interested in memantine as of late

Called out of work sick today. Fighting a bit of a cold. So I just consumed my first dose of O-PCE. Snorted 6mg. O-PCE has been one of my more sought after dissociatives over the last few years and am happy to give it a shot finally. I figure a dissociative will help cover my cold symptoms and enable me to still handle some chores and whatnot.

In general dissociatives suspend the immune system. Yes, O-PCE it will cover cold symptoms. It should also prolong recovery.

My vendor has O-PCE freebase for a good price and i wanted to get a gram of it, but im planning on just doing it once in awhile and keeping it tucked away in a glass vial. What do you think the shelf-life would be on that compared to the HCL. And for ROA i hear vaping is amazing but i would really like to consume it orally, i hear the freebase converts in your stomach acid. Have any of you have experience with Dissos that are freebase, will it come in a powder still?

Worrying about a dissociative's shelf life? You honestly think that's the weak point of your plan??

 

[Chris Timothy]

Yeah i mean couldnt you just mix it with some vinegar and water in a spoon and heat it quickly and form O-PCE acetate, maybe plug it even. Was kinda confused when he said it was just orally, this guy is a great vendor tho so im sure it is as advertised. Personally i really love O-PCE orally in the 25-30mg range orally it has one of the best holes ever.

I've slipped into the O-PCE hole many many times. It's interesting, not particularly pleasant to say the least, but worst of all the bloody same every time. It ended up being punishment for not having a disciplined enough regimen.

I used to plug 3-HO-PCP with citric acid. Turns out the citrate that formed must have contributed to maiming the inner ear. I don't know if the same happens with vinegar, but please be careful, and minimize wishful thinking.

 

[cosmic charlie]

In general dissociatives suspend the immune system. Yes, O-PCE it will cover cold symptoms. It should also prolong recovery.



Worrying about a dissociative's shelf life? You honestly think that's the weak point of your plan??

Well i dont get off probation till October my friend so i would possibly need it to last until then. Im trying to figure out if i could take FXE and O-PCE and pass a lab drug test. Im reading alot of conflicting information on it where some people said it was fine while others had false positive for PCP. Made a thread about it on Reddit, really hope i could get some first hand experience from people.

Otherwise that O-PCE is gonna be sitting in my stash until next fall, and the im gonna have a wonderful time. Probably vape a bit in a Meth Pipe first like maybe 15mgs, then convert some to the acetate and boof dat shit. I wanna do some FXE so badly this weekend its driving me mad, mean sure i could take a bunch of Memantine again and blow n2O balloons. But i really wanna do a couple fat lines of FXE and then as soon as it hits do a 9 cart balloon.

 

[cosmic charlie]

I used to plug 3-HO-PCP with citric acid. Turns out the citrate that formed must have contributed to maiming the inner ear. I don't know if the same happens with vinegar, but please be careful, and minimize wishful thinking.

Really well that is pretty concerning, i used to have horrible tinnitus years ago that was brought on by Disso use and even sometimes now after a binge it starts to flare up again. Maybe i will just mix the O-PCE with Coca-Cola heat and form the Phosphate and squirt that sugary mix up into my bum or drink it. That could work right, dont people put Freebase DMT into Coca-Cola and make this Phosphate?

 

[Chris Timothy]

Dude wat..

Don't feed your rectal bacteria with sugar. Unless you like.. itchiness?

 

[cosmic charlie]

Dude wat..

Don't feed your rectal bacteria with sugar. Unless you like.. itchiness?

Okay man i wont, but ive heard about people putting those Ketamine Lozenges up their arse and they have sugar in them. But maybe i will just drink it, like put the coca-cola into a spoon with the O-PCE and heat it with a lighter until it starts bubbling, mix well and then just dumping that into a glass of water and stirring thouroghly.

 

[Chris Timothy]

Well people putting ketamine up there haven't got the highest of standards, as ketamine doesn't perform well that way anyway, right? I've always had a tea ritual together with the dissociatives, and with a nice and warm liquid around I've often used tea as plugging medium. I think it must have happened once that I accidentally used honey tea? I can't remember specifics, I only remember not to ever do that again.

I'm also sure there's no reason to acidify your oral dose. Your stomach contains a way stronger acid. If you want your oral dose to hit you sooner, just swallow it sooner.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Yeah i mean that is what i keep hearing i just dont get why this guy said its only active vaped its so weird. Cuz your stomach is filled with HCL acid, guess i will just try and eat a dose and aee what happens. Guess its cool that it is in Freebase form anyways cuz if you would wanna vape it your good to go and dont got to mix it with baking soda.

 

[JackARoe]

Just type in punching balloon when you order them off amazon, you can blow them up twice the size of in this picture easily if not more. They are alot thicker than regular balloons so you dont have to worry about them exploding.

This is good to know Charlie as I did use the Punch balloons. I was still scared to put more than 2-3 carts in it but now I know it can hold more. Usually that is enough for me reach the "edge".

 

[simstim]

Having only tried a small handful of RC psychedelics, there are a few I feel I'm missing out on / I should try-before-i-die.

Namely DPT and 5-meo-dipt. DPT just sounds like nothing else, the sheer intensity sounds like something worth experiencing. And Shulgin's description of foxy (5-meo-dipt) as lsd-like is enough to pique my interest.

A lot of the 4-subs interest me. I'd be curious to try most of them. 4-ho-met for the psychedelic "candy," 4-ho-det has intrigued me in the past, but I can't even recall the specific reason.

DPT is the only tryptamine I've ever had that really reminds me of LSD but compressed into a much shorter time frame. Also, DPT can be redosed without much tolerance and I once spent a whole 24 hours under the influence of DPT.

Never had foxy. I loved moxy, though. Not much like lsd IMHO.

4-ho-det is nice. I used to iv it. Only lasts a couple hours that way but if you mix it with mxe when you shoot it you're flying to the moon.

 

[Kaleida]

You're probably right that I'm being overly cautious. I have an anxiety disorder and there are some thing that just freak me out. The thought of dying on 5-MeO-DMT being one of them

What was your preferred 5-MeO-Dipt dosage and RoA? Did you do it orally or vape it or what?

It’s not a bad quality to have when it comes to drugs. I just wanted to point out that you’re already taking what I would personally consider to be relatively more considerable risks, and I’m again not trying to say that any of them really are in general. Just saying that as far as deadly drugs go, 5-MeO-DMT and ibogaine are definitely really, really low on the list. But they are on the list nonetheless so it still shouldn’t be ignored.

So far I’ve taken 5-MeO-DiPT orally and smoked, not technically really vaped because I just put it in a bowl of cannabis and smoked it lightly so probably not as efficient as actually vaping. I haven’t gone above 5 mg in that way yet but I want to, it’s a route I really enjoy. I’ve taken 10 mg orally and it definitely works that way but it’s much less fun than smoking it, even though the intensity is more consistent and lasts longer, but I’d say is maybe also less impressive than when smoking it. The difference is relatively stereotypical, taking it orally reminds me of something more like LSD whereas smoking it has some more developed qualities similar to smoking DMT, but that being said it’s a noticeably distinct drug from either still, but I still think the fact that I can compare the change to both is part of what makes it a memorable drug to me. I’ve never cared to try it at what I would call a low dosage. I find it to actually be confusing in a fairly profound and insightful way. It reminds me of riding the edges of insanity on high dosages of LSD although it wouldn’t substitute for that, it’s its own thing very much for me.

I tried O-PCE for the first time yesterday a little over 20mg snorted throughout the night. I do have a decent tolerance to dissociatives. However, I thought it was a beautiful chemical. The headspace is a little cold and clinical as has been described, but the effect it has on the visual field is lovely. I think it would be great in combination with psychedelics. I think it'd go great with LSD and some of the 2cx. Didnt try vaporizing it and probably never will. I've never liked vaporizing dissociatives. The effects were nice and not as rough as I expected from other people's experiences. I did end up having a bit of an anxiety attack at one point. Been having issues with my lung and hyperfixated on that and also focused on an unpleasant situation with an old friend who's up to no good, but both of those things are things that happen to me every now and again when I take dissociatives. The trip was pleasant overall despite that

I recommend trying oral too. It’s the only way I ever tried it but I imagine it comes on slower but it still works plenty and it lasts so long. The beginning can definitely be super intense. It reminds me of methoxetamine in that they both remind me of nitrous oxide but more drawn out and disorienting, and more so than methoxetamine. But some cool stuff happens in that period too. I like listening to calming music during it.

This is good to know Charlie as I did use the Punch balloons. I was still scared to put more than 2-3 carts in it but now I know it can hold more. Usually that is enough for me reach the "edge".

I didn’t specify in my response before but to be clear I also use these exact same balloons. They can definitely hold it.

DPT is the only tryptamine I've ever had that really reminds me of LSD but compressed into a much shorter time frame. Also, DPT can be redosed without much tolerance and I once spent a whole 24 hours under the influence of DPT.

Have you ever taken one of the MPTs? MPT and 4-HO-MPT are two of my favorite psychedelics. I think of them as practically like DMT-type LSD and psilocin-type LSD, respectively. They both take a relatively higher dosage to really get there for me though, but when there nothing else compares. I’ve long suspected that the explanation may be relatively simple because the MPT core is the most similar of all the simple tryptamine cores to the lysergamide pharmacore and entirely contained within it so it’s not hard to imagine a SAR relationship between them (and one that also extends to explaining things like the relative similarity of DPT), but it’s true for me either way.

Never had foxy. I loved moxy, though. Not much like lsd IMHO.

Foxy is more so for me. It actually has me ‘cartooning’ as they say. Moxy has more of a digital mushroomesque vibe for me not unlike 4-HO-MET but wilder and darker (but still bright in general).

 

[simstim]

Man, I really want to trip today but I don't know if I can. 25b-NBOH tolerance is a beast.

I snorted 8mg the other day and barely tripped when that much before had me just about floored.

I read it takes two weeks to recover from NBOH tolerance.

I ideally I would like to trip weekly at this club I've been going to every Friday the past few weeks but it would seem to be too soon for the tolerance to reset.

Looks like I'm gonna try tripping twice a month. I'm hoping to trip on the 11th. It's my buddy's birthday and a couple of my friends might come out to the club so I wanna 25b-NBOH flip with mdma.