☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread 2022-2023 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[Cheshire_Kat]

I took some acid the other night when home alone. However my stash kit with the rest of my acid and some 2c-b was.. Put somewhere by tripping me and I don't know where. It's been a few days and I honestly can't think where I put it.

I really really don't want to go pulling all my garbage out of the bin but it's the only place I havnt checked. fuck lol. Surely I didn't throw it in the bin..

I have "organized" stuff like that all too many times.

 

[porkstock]

Damn...I really hate when I misplace things. Currently missing my favorite pair of glasses and a NJ Toll By Mail that I've yet to pay. But at least I didn't lose my acid / 2cb stash!

 

[porkstock]

Do you guys too get this annoying leg muscles tension on psychedelics? It seems to follow me whatever psychedelic I take, it's not painful, just.. uncomfortable and I can't fall asleep because of it. I'm starting to think that maybe it's not normal I should get my veins checked or something? Ouch.
I have found citrulline in large quantities (around 20 g) really helps alleviate this feeling and makes trips more pleasant physically in general. I don't see a reason to not use it every time I trip.

The last couple times I tripped (acid or 4-ho-mipt) I seemed to get way more vasoconstriction than I am used to. I have some varicose veins in my leg and am a daily weed smoker. Maybe it's just part of getting older? I was 36 at the time of those recent trips

 

[JackARoe]

Damn...I really hate when I misplace things. Currently missing my favorite pair of glasses and a NJ Toll By Mail that I've yet to pay.

I can lose a TV remote that I just had my hand a minute before. And searching for shit is really frustrating. I totally get it. It seems the things we don’t need right in front of our face, and the things that we really need that we actually just had in our hand all of a sudden flat out gone missing. I had an entire bottle of Gingerale disappear after I had just placed it down somewhere. never to be found. So I get scared shit these days when I can’t fine things.

 

[moonyham]

Yeah normally I am really good about putting my stash somewhere before I start tripping but last thing I remember was leaving it on kitchen counter.. Lol.

Argh.. Atleast it was only some of my acid but it was all of my 2c-b..

 

[Pfafffed]

I mean - why U-47700? Because it can be made in 1 step from commercially available chemicals
why isophenidine? Because it can be made in 1 simple step at RT using cheap reagents

Like they were saying in the thread about 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT, Shulgin described it's ten step synth as "frightening"

But to this day, I get withdrawals from it almost immediately. And I fall into this usage pattern where I never feel good, I either feel almost normal, but still slightly withdrawaly, when I've just done some, or I am fully feeling withdrawals. I get cranky and moody and it just sucks so much, but the restlessness is so bad, and despite it not doing much for me in a positive sense, I compulsively redose to try to feel okay.

Man, despite not having ever been dependent on kratom, I also now get what I assume are near instant withdrawals. As soon as it wears off, I get an instant, untreatable pounding headache. I feel mildly sick to my stomach, drained of motivation and energy, generally unwell, and my body feels crappy. I use it maybe once every 3-4 weeks. When I'm on it, I'm usually focused and driven, but also quite irritable. I guess it's a blessing, as it makes me pretty disinclined to do it unless I really feel awful or have a majorly unpleasant task to deal with (like my taxes.)

The actual experience for me was unusual, from what I have read about. I did a combination of pure ibogaine and total alkaloid extract, so I got the full range of alkaloids but in a different ratio than eating the root powder. I found it physically comfortable, actually my body felt really good, and I was basically dreaming whether awake or asleep for 3 days and nights.

My friend described their ibogaine flood dose that way. Their second was as harrowing as the stories I usually hear.

The number of deaths from either ibogaine or 5-MeO-DMT is, to my knowledge, extremely small.

I think the deaths from 5-MeO-DMT are usually due either to vomit aspiration, drowning, or drug interactions. Ibogaine affects heart rhythms in multiple ways, of which QT prolongations is but one. I have not heard good reports of people being treated effectively when it gets bad. Lots of drugs cause QT-prolongation. Some (Benadryl) don't seem to be that risky. Others (methadone) are apparently roughly equivalent to ibogaine. The number of recorded ibogaine fatalities when I last checked was 17, although there are undoubtedly more. I've read of at least one in a pseudo-clinical setting where it was not reported because of concerns regarding the surviving partner's life insurance payout. The fact that deaths can occur days later also complicate attempts to measure them. I think that efforts to screen for risk factors (dehydration, methadone use, pre-existing heart conditions) are a positive step, but I don't know that we'll have good data for many years as to how effective they are at completely screening out risk.

I almost invariably put eight in mine.

After ten years of tripping, my friend finally tried nitrous last night. They had an experience that I'd read about plenty, but neither of us had experienced before: they took 20mg of miprocin, and after two hours had not gotten above a very, very weak +. They are exceedingly experienced with miprocin, and knew that 45min was the absolute longest they should ever expect to wait, even on a full stomach. They were frustrated and were tempted to take a 5mg booster. I said, just take the loss and call it a night. I suggested taking a few balloons of nitrous, as that will often kick my brain into recognizing that it's tripping. I told them to take several lungfulls back to back, holding them in, but apparently holding one cartridge worth for ten seconds was plenty intense. It never got them going. They vaped some EPT sullenly and gave up.

Three hours after dosing, they suddenly started tripping. Only a light, attenuated ++ likely due to tolerance, but a big shift. Very weird.

The following morning, a different friend told me that they couldn't sleep, so they hit their wax pen. Ended up in hyperspace. Full moon? lol

lots of early DPT reports (like the ones Xorkoth referenced) used incredibly high dosages, and I honestly think that's a huge part of where its reputation comes from.

My one dose with it was on the low end and while it was not the craziest of experiences by any means, it definitely left me with an evil aftertasted that lasted all week.

with more realism (typical of base vs 4-substituted tryptamines for me) and a complete lack of their stimulation. Although it also had a more alien and demonic vibe like 4-HO-DET

I wanted to revisit 4-AcO-DET. I haven't had the 4 hydroxy sub, but so far this one doesn't feel all that weird or alien. I quite liked it the two times I tried it.

5-MeO-EiPT, which is rather more unique for me.

5-MeO-PiPT is pretty different from the -MiPT in my experience, too.

I did try 4-ACO-DET but only once.

Let me know if the hydroxy sub is any different if you ever try it.

AMT is another one of those "I must try before I die" drugs, but i havent been able to find any yet I'm sure it'd be one of my favorite drugs. It sounds sublime.

I hope you dig it. My friend and I...well, we didn't much care for it. Literally everyone else that I've ever talked to loves it.

The deaths are due to Long QT Syndrome, and it seems that you can almost entirely rule out the risk if you get your heart tested beforehand, to ensure you are not at risk.

I'm honestly not sure that I'm confident making that claim, although I confess that I haven't kept up with the research. It's tough, what with it being aggressively scheduled. Quality research that involves human experimentation and the risk of death, well that's hard to do. I often think that we often tell ourselves stories about things being safe to make ourselves feel better and then just repeat them. Remember the handwashing public messaging and sterilization teams during the early pandemic, all there to make people feel better even though we knew that touch transmission wasn't a vector? I really want ibogaine screening to work, but I just don't really know if it does.

im planning on just doing it once in awhile

Man...

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

I'm not following, and it's mildly annoying

 

[porkstock]

I'm not following, and it's mildly annoying

The conversation? I think Plaffed quoted some posts from the other Social thread.

 

[Pfafffed]

Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to migrate quoted messages on the same topic under each other. I plugged away at it for a while, but it never worked out. My bad.

 

[Xorkoth]

That flubromazepam rebound I've been experiencing for the past 2 and a half weeks or so seems to be gone. Hooray!

 

[cosmic charlie]

That flubromazepam rebound I've been experiencing for the past 2 and a half weeks or so seems to be gone. Hooray!

Is that benzo any good, i keep buying Bromazolam for my girl because its more potent and supposedly pretty euphoric. But that Flubromazepam has a much longer duration amirite but its weaker mg to mg. She doesnt use these things often maybe once a week.

What kinda dosing were you doing that lead to you getting a dependence so quickly. From what i understand your not really a big benzo guy Xorky?

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Man, the other day I was thinking about a good friend of mine I used to have as a business partner. About two years ago he just up and disappeared, I couldn't get in touch with him. Didn't have his phone number.

Then the other night I'm out at a steakhouse using my buddy's half off employee discount to get a shit ton of beef and lo and behold, our waiter is my old lost friend! I thought he had gone to prison or died, but he just lost his phone and had no way to reconnect with me. He had JUST started at that restaurant like two weeks prior.

It felt very serendipitous. He hooked us up fat on cheap food and then we went bar hopping with him, then ended up getting smashed at my buddy's condo.

So glad I caught up with him. I miss our old business, we made decent money together and he helped fund my collections (Blurays, dvds, vinyl, etc.) which my wife won't normally let me spend much on might be able to start up our old business model and get some side work going again after almost two years of being unemployed.

 

[Chris Timothy]

Only two years? :D : P

Bet nobody can beat my record.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Only two years? :D : P

Bet nobody can beat my record.

Only two lol. How long have you lost a friend for?

 

[Chris Timothy]

Twenty.

Haven't had friends in two decades.

I mean I've met up with bluelight people in the meanwhile. But you know, geography.. Also, not feeling the energy for catching bombing jokes on a serotonin down..

Also, tried to get an island commune going less than a decade ago. The.. brief.. connections I had counts as friends, I suppose. Technically. But yeah none really.

I have the terrible habit of showing people the back of my mind.

 

[Xorkoth]

Is that benzo any good, i keep buying Bromazolam for my girl because its more potent and supposedly pretty euphoric. But that Flubromazepam has a much longer duration amirite but its weaker mg to mg. She doesnt use these things often maybe once a week.

What kinda dosing were you doing that lead to you getting a dependence so quickly. From what i understand your not really a big benzo guy Xorky?

It's weaker by the milligram yes, but the half life is 100 hours. So after a week, there is still a little in your system. Not a good idea except for tapering or extremely occasional use, because you can get dependent on it even on once a week dosing.

I like it, how it feels. Makes for a super chill and good mood few days, but extremely easy to get addicted to it. It's a dangerous benzo because of this.

 

[Xorkoth]

What kinda dosing were you doing that lead to you getting a dependence so quickly. From what i understand your not really a big benzo guy Xorky?

I was dosing it once a week, at 6-8mg. With a half life of 100 hours (slightly over 4 days), I still had around 25% of the original dose in my system when I dosed it the next time, even though I can only actually notice the effects for 2-3 days. And then the next week's dose, there would be even more than 25% of the original dose left in my system. After 6 weeks, I probably had a relatively stable serum concentration. I was still feeling the dose when I took it, but the noticeable effects faded off more quickly, like after 1 and a half days. And they were less noticeable.

Benzos with half lives that long are only good for tapering if you're already addicted. They're amazing for that. But like, you can take bromazolam or etizolam every few days for a long time and not get addicted. But that is not the case with flubromazolam.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

I took some acid the other night when home alone. However my stash kit with the rest of my acid and some 2c-b was.. Put somewhere by tripping me and I don't know where. It's been a few days and I honestly can't think where I put it.

I really really don't want to go pulling all my garbage out of the bin but it's the only place I havnt checked. fuck lol. Surely I didn't throw it in the bin..

Oh man, I feel the pain, have you found it? I can imagine, it's so incredibly annoying. Definitely check the bin, just to be sure it isn't out of the house. If you get that far that's something at least, so you can agonize over it for an eternity because IT MUST BE SOMEWHERE. Looking in the same places over aaaand over again. Running up the stairs, ah maybe there, but you've been there 3 times already of course. Torture.

I had it with my wallet last year, which is even worse because the longer you go without the more pressure there is on starting the process to replace each and every card. I found it eventually, after replacing everything...

Best of luck, hope you find it.

 

[JackARoe]

I have the terrible habit of showing people the back of my mind.

Some of us can take it CT. I mean we all subject ourselves to each other. And you all seem to be able to put up with me. lol. If you didn't show me the back of your mind we would not have had a conversation the last year or two.

Most people are acquaintances. I would not thank you for the people that I see in my life and who they call friends. My wife had to let go of one of her gym friends because she wanted my wife to tell her husband that she was with her when she was with her new hook up. Friends my ass. I'd rather be alone than take a dip in quality. So only have a few people I call friends in any real sense and they are musicians.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Not sure how many of the folks who used to post/visit here when I was last active in early 2015 are still around - but to those who are, and to everyone else, hey. It's been a while. After I got clean from IV and opioids, and took an extended break from everything, I ended up abandoning this site and essentially ghosting everyone - IRL and online friends and associates alike. I've reconnected with a few people since, but not many. So if we used to talk and I vanished on you, I have to apologise. I also want to apologise to anyone that I might not immediately recognise or remember - as unfortunately thanks to how heavily I was abusing a lot of things back in those years, my memory is a little hazy at best.

Anyway I missed BL, and I especially missed PD, so thought I'd check in.

How has everyone been? Hope you're all having a lovely week ❤