What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[Jabberwocky]

No, but I also do not have exhaustive & extensive knowledge of all compounds and their optical properties at all times in any conceivable solution or arrangement and so on and so forth. Maybe you do, but you still can’t say for certain that it’s iodine. You know as well as I do that you need analytical confirmation to be certain. I enjoy and appreciate your conjectures all the same, and I’m not ruling out iodine either. But as I’ve pointed out months ago on this thread, this is all just speculation, which is fine, but should be kept in perspective for what it is. Lotta conclusion-jumping on this thread otherwise.

I'm pretty sure I said that. I'm certain it's more likely to be iodine than it is cyanoborohydride because cyanoboro hydride doesn't turn brown in water and then magically turn purple when it dries out.
I mean we can heat it to 700° c and if it's sublimates into iodine gas, we're good. If it doesn't, it's something else, possibly, Cyanoborohydride. hydride

 

[unodelacosa]

I'm pretty sure I said that.

My bad.

I'm certain it's more likely to be iodine than it is cyanoborohydride

Agreed.

because cyanoboro hydride doesn't turn brown in water and then magically turn purple when it dries out.

>"Magically" = lol.

I mean we can heat it to 700° c and if it's sublimates into iodine gas, we're good. If it doesn't, it's something else, possibly, Cyanoborohydride. hydride

That's a good point. That would be an easy enough test to pull to see if it sublimates.

 

[Didgital]

That's actually pretty pure, it's only 16% of a pill is binder.

Except it wasn't a pill. Why would anyone take pills? If I want speed or any other substance with my mdma I'll take them each separately.

I'm not going to let someone else decide what concoction I should take.

I've only taken two pills in my entire life. One was the white lightning MDA presses that were circulating in the PNW. The other was because I was chasing a girl and we went and got mdma pills from her burning man friend who was in a K hole and they both swore it was MDMA. It was definitely NOT MDMA. It was probably some shitty cathinone.

Anyways Ive asked on the hive what causes the purple MDMA and I was informed by 2 dfferent people told me it was borohydrie impurities that's the best I got

First of all the hive doesn't exist anymore. R/thehive is not the hive even if there are intelligent and informed people there. Yeah I dunno maybe they using really shitty borohydrides.

2nd just because someone told you something, even if they're highly respected, doesn't mean anything. Honestly I've found quite a few actual chemists who love to spread rumors and intentionally mislead people for various reasons.

probably not NaBr04

NaBH4.... NaBrO4 is Sodium perbromate..

 

[vash445]

3x recrystalization this is from dH20 gonna give to people if it's meh or magic after pulling out the purple gunk

 

[vash445]

Eh… nothing is conclusive here without something like GC-MS.

Gc-ms is not to be trusted in my past experiences and we should really use ftir and NMR

 

[Jabberwocky]

Except it wasn't a pill. Why would anyone take pills? If I want speed or any other substance with my mdma I'll take them each separately.

I'm not going to let someone else decide what concoction I should take.

I've only taken two pills in my entire life. One was the white lightning MDA presses that were circulating in the PNW. The other was because I was chasing a girl and we went and got mdma pills from her burning man friend who was in a K hole and they both swore it was MDMA. It was definitely NOT MDMA. It was probably some shitty cathinone.

First of all the hive doesn't exist anymore. R/thehive is not the hive even if there are intelligent and informed people there. Yeah I dunno maybe they using really shitty borohydrides.

2nd just because someone told you something, even if they're highly respected, doesn't mean anything. Honestly I've found quite a few actual chemists who love to spread rumors and intentionally mislead people for various reasons.


NaBH4.... NaBrO4 is Sodium perbromate..

Yeah I know I typed the wrong formula by accident.

I fixed it in my next post.

 

[Rectify]

Is <anyone> still getting full blown euphoric old school style MDMA highs from tested product anymore?

If so, please post a dilated pupil pic to corroborate your experience. Thanks.

Or is this some kind of (a) vast conspiracy, (b) good pill shortage or is there some (c) sci fi bizarro explanation?

I haven't rolled more than <maybe> 2x since 2002, and I tried 100 times.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Is <anyone> still getting full blown euphoric old school style MDMA highs from tested product anymore?

If so, please post a dilated pupil pic to corroborate your experience. Thanks.

Or is this some kind of (a) vast conspiracy, (b) good pill shortage or is there some (c) sci fi bizarro explanation?

I haven't rolled more than <maybe> 2x since 2002, and I tried 100 times.

The last time I got a hold of real MDMA was probably 2016 or 2017 and I rolled balls.

I was also getting five mapb 5apb and the sixes, and I was rolling balls off of those but I was getting it from a really good RC dealer.

I can tell you for a fact that I haven't gotten real MDMA probably in five or six years.

The last supposed Molly that I got was definitely a Methcathinone. It was about a week ago and while I did get almost the MDMA euphoria, the whole roll only lasted about 2 hours. I know it was a substituted Methcathinone.

My six reagent test kit is on its way....

 

[G_Chem]

“My six reagent test kit is on its way....”

There’s no other way. I haven’t not used a kit in years. That being said I’ve never bought or been given product that didn’t test legit, so I’m grateful and/or lucky.

-GC

 

[Jabberwocky]

Gc-ms is not to be trusted in my past experiences and we should really use ftir and NMR

Melting point might be helpful too.

 

[euphoria100%]

any experiences/opinions from gg new batch ??? i ve heard this is the real deal. old magic mdma feeling

 

[Jabberwocky]

“My six reagent test kit is on its way....”

There’s no other way. I haven’t not used a kit in years. That being said I’ve never bought or been given product that didn’t test legit, so I’m grateful and/or lucky.

-GC

I'm a little bit jelly.

Waiting on some samples

 

[vash445]

9k for a NMR ... anyone interested on this board. I'm told It’s really impressive that they can run at normal temperatures, I'm told. "The bruker NMR that we find in the lab Has to be kept full with liquid helium and liquid nitrogen. Otherwise the magnet will fail catastrophically, potentially killing everyone around it."

 

[Jabberwocky]

Interesting synthesis from vanillin which ends up with 5-methyl MDA, a structural isomer of MDMA indistinguishable by normal GCMS. Regardless of dose, it has comparable psychoactive effects to MDMA.

Obviously pathways from other non-controlled ring substituted homologs of MDA exist.

Of note 6-methyl MDA is less potent than normal MDA, would test via GCMS as MDMA, and has a profile that's not quite like MDMA one would think you may have lost the magic.

 

[Jabberwocky]

9k for a NMR ... anyone interested on this board. I'm told It’s really impressive that they can run at normal temperatures, I'm told. "The bruker NMR that we find in the lab Has to be kept full with liquid helium and liquid nitrogen. Otherwise the magnet will fail catastrophically, potentially killing everyone around it."

What's the melting point of your recrystallized stuff?

Shulgin states between 148° C and 153° C.

Many of the structural isomers have vastly different melting points.

 

[Rectify]

The chances of getting an authentic MDMA experience from a street pill in today's black market are about 2%. But YMMV. I've even taken some of the pills on pill reports advertising that they had very high doses of real MDMA, but to no avail. I roll a lot harder and better off ethylamphetamine if you use mydriasis as your biologic end point.

 

[unodelacosa]

Otherwise the magnet will fail catastrophically, potentially killing everyone around it.

Yeah you know… just that old trope No biggie

any experiences/opinions from gg new batch ??? i ve heard this is the real deal. old magic mdma feeling

Oh yeah, good point. This would be the real deal Holyfield.

Is <anyone> still getting full blown euphoric old school style MDMA highs from tested product anymore?

Yessir. Every time. Haven't come across shit MDMA in years now.

If so, please post a dilated pupil pic to corroborate your experience. Thanks.

No prob.

Or is this some kind of (a) vast conspiracy, (b) good pill shortage or is there some (c) sci fi bizarro explanation?

(a) For what purpose? What reason could there be?
(b) Not in my area, mid-Atlantic up through northeast coast US…
(c) Must be.

I haven't rolled more than <maybe> 2x since 2002, and I tried 100 times.

Then don't you suspect it's something to do with you and not the drugs? If only 2% of "MDMA" in the world were actual, real MDMA, it would not be a popular drug like it is.

 

[unodelacosa]

3x recrystalization this is from dH20 gonna give to people if it's meh or magic after pulling out the purple gunk

Might wanna watch out for taking pictures with your fingerprints clearly visible. There was a case several years ago where evidence was collected from someone's Reddit account where they lifted fingerprints and got a conviction for something. Not saying this alone is all it takes, but used as a piece of evidence, it could be something you wish didn't exist… let's remove these comments from this thread; you go first… What do you think? Or am I being paranoid? Also, that bag is from The Dollar Store, which is headquartered in Greenbrier, Chesapeake, Virginia in the US for example. See what I'm saying? They have stores all over the U.S., but still, no need in making some prosecutor's case one day for them…

 

[Mcracken420]

I may just have access to good stuff, but I don't agree with most of that. My experience has always been incredibly good and I have never really experienced a comedown (perhaps it wasn't even MDMA). All I've felt is brain fog and slight insomnia for the day or two after.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Has anybody discussed

2-aminopropan-1-ol? It can be purchased as the S Stereoisomer or the R stereoisomer.

It's the starting point of a synthesis for MDMA that (along with copper iodide) uses 1,3-benzodioxole - otherwise known as dimethoxy-benzene with a grignard reagent to create an intermediate that results in S or R MDA, but not mixed.

That's easily reduced to S or R MDMA

I found it interesting that copper iodide is a major catalyst in the synthesis.

Perhaps that is the reason for the purple MDMA that isn't all that great because it's not racemic, and has leftover iodine.