RCs This drug straight to your letterbox in the UK ?

[Forever Changes]

There are Dutch RC suppliers who have sent out emails saying that they will from that point onwards will send stuff to the UK....

Meaning they have found and tested a way which will mean not a lot of produce will get lost....

Quite a few won't because they're afraid stuff will get confiscated.

They surely don't include a return address, meaning border force won't easily be able to determine where the parcel came from, so the sendee will catch the heat, not the vendor.

Of course one can always deny ordering anything and say you have no idea why somebody sent you something, but whether that would hold up in court I don't know, especially as there will be some kind of payment/email trail

 

[Arnold]

They surely don't include a return address, meaning border force won't easily be able to determine where the parcel came from, so the sendee will catch the heat, not the vendor.

Of course one can always deny ordering anything and say you have no idea why somebody sent you something, but whether that would hold up in court I don't know, especially as there will be some kind of payment/email trail

You've got no idea what will pass through the post .

 

[matt<3ketamine]

I just stood there in horror as it all soaked into the soil. Fuck my luck.

MInd you - I collapsed like a sack of shit once or twice on GBL - if you just take slightly too much you lose consciousness and wake up with no memory of who you are. So I didn't miss it too much.

not run n get a straw n start sippin that soil?
oh i (dont) remember those, terrible fuckin feeling. my friend was well aquianted to what we called 'gbl comas', he was also a big fan of the deadly oxycodone and GBL combo, the fuckin twat

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Well it was all going very well until a package didn't arrive and letter from Border Force followed (UK)

Anyone else come across this in the UK?

Is it worth the risk with another package?

I haven't for a couple of years, but I'm in the UK and have had drugs delivered to me probably over a thousand times with close to a 100% success rate. I'd try again if they send you the replacement for free, if not I'd order from elsewhere.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Once I was in a homeless hostel and the people running it got suspicious of all my packages and made me open them in front of the police one time. I had 400 x 1mg xanax and 300 Pyrazolam (don't remember the dose) plus 28g Amphetamine Sulphate. The police confiscated it but didn't arrest me or anything.
It's illegal to SELL drugs or POSSESS drugs, but it is not illegal to buy them. So if you package IS somehow intercepted, they can't charge you with anything , since it was never in your possession

^Oh...they did search my room to see if I had "Lists of names and prices" etc due to the amount as they thought I MUST be selling, they found no evidence (because I wasn't, I just used to be 28 days supply for myself at a time) and they left and I didnt have a warning and it didn't go on my record or anything.

 

[Forever Changes]

It's illegal to SELL drugs or POSSESS drugs, but it is not illegal to buy them. So if you package IS somehow intercepted, they can't charge you with anything , since it was never in your possession

That's what I thought. I can send anything to any address and for any reason and it's not the addressee's fault I sent it to them.

Although once it goes through your letterbox I guess you technically possess it.

 

[Ismene2]

They surely don't include a return address, meaning border force won't easily be able to determine where the parcel came from, so the sendee will catch the heat, not the vendor.

Of course one can always deny ordering anything and say you have no idea why somebody sent you something, but whether that would hold up in court I don't know, especially as there will be some kind of payment/email trail

From my limited experience Forever - I think the only time they would prosecute (unless it was kilos of cocaine) is if they actually find an illegal drug in your house. When I was caught by dibble - all the bollocks about "You ordered drugs from america" was dropped because they couldn't find those drugs in the house (the silly bastards even picked up the envelope the baggies were in but put it back down again after a cursory look)

The only thing they actually prosecuted me for were the drugs they found in the house.

So I think that's the key for small amounts anyway - the most important thing is to have a clean house. I don't think they bother too much with drugs in the post and emails/paper trails.

 

[Forever Changes]

From my limited experience Forever - I think the only time they would prosecute (unless it was kilos of cocaine) is if they actually find an illegal drug in your house. When I was caught by dibble - all the bollocks about "You ordered drugs from america" was dropped because they couldn't find those drugs in the house (the silly bastards even picked up the envelope the baggies were in but put it back down again after a cursory look)

The only thing they actually prosecuted me for were the drugs they found in the house.

So I think that's the key for small amounts anyway - the most important thing is to have a clean house. I don't think they bother too much with drugs in the post and emails/paper trails.

Mmmm... that's why I don't keep large quantities of anything in my house. I think what Chemicallyenhanced said is true, 'buying' isn't illegal until it technically gets into your possession. Although 'importing' might be a different matter.

Was it the fact that they intercepted what your ordered from USA what tipped them off to come serach you?

 

[Bleaney]

From my limited experience Forever - I think the only time they would prosecute (unless it was kilos of cocaine) is if they actually find an illegal drug in your house. When I was caught by dibble - all the bollocks about "You ordered drugs from america" was dropped because they couldn't find those drugs in the house (the silly bastards even picked up the envelope the baggies were in but put it back down again after a cursory look)

The only thing they actually prosecuted me for were the drugs they found in the house.

So I think that's the key for small amounts anyway - the most important thing is to have a clean house. I don't think they bother too much with drugs in the post and emails/paper trails.

Different forces have differing remits. Border Force are concerned with illegal movement of controlled substances across the British border. If they catch anyone doing this for a second time they will prosecute.

The police have a different remit. I think it's doubtful that they are coordinated with border force. That kind of inter-organisational cooperation in the UK for small time users / customs smugglers? I doubt it. The police will search your house and bust you for possession, but Border Force will prosecute you for smuggling illegals across the border, whether that's in person or via the mail.

This is how I see it. I'm quite sure I'm not wrong about the Border Force part at least.

They are 2 independent forces with different remits acting quite independently. One does not necessarily relate to the other.

 

[Bleaney]

. Although 'importing' might be a different matter.

Exactly. Although there is no "might be" about it; it absolutely and certainly is illegal to import controlled substances across the British border. You can get 7 years in jail for doing this with any amount of a class C substance alone.

 

[Bleaney]

I haven't for a couple of years, but I'm in the UK and have had drugs delivered to me probably over a thousand times with close to a 100% success rate. I'd try again if they send you the replacement for free, if not I'd order from elsewhere.

It's in the last couple of years that all the clamping down and tightening up has happened. The free for all has ended. It would be bad advice to suggest the OP tries again to re-order controlled drugs from abroad into the UK. He will get caught, and getting caught for a second time is no casual matter. He could get 7 years in jail, and / or a massive fine. The first offence gets you a warning letter where all this is laid out in the most clear and stark terms.

A friend of mine received one of these letters for doing just this, so I know from that experience what is going down with Border Force.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Different forces have differing remits. Border Force are concerned with illegal movement of controlled substances across the British border. If they catch anyone doing this for a second time they will prosecute.

The police have a different remit. I think it's doubtful that they are coordinated with border force. That kind of inter-organisational cooperation in the UK for small time users / customs smugglers? I doubt it. The police will search your house and bust you for possession, but Border Force will prosecute you for smuggling illegals across the border, whether that's in person or via the mail.

This is how I see it. I'm quite sure I'm not wrong about the Border Force part at least.

They are 2 independent forces with different remits acting quite independently. One does not necessarily relate to the other.

kinda true, but plenty variables

I've seen it go both ways. People just getting a loveletter for 50 e's with no other consequence and people getting their houses turned over for as little as 10g hash, I shit you not.

UK Border Force don't have a 'twice and you're out' policy. They don't have the power to arrest and prosecute. They tend to send a notice of seizure a few weeks after seizing, but they inform the relevant police force almost immediately of every single seizure via a simple reporting process and then the police decide what, if anything, to do.

Just better off not importing really unless you're a unicorn with a secure drop

 

[Forever Changes]

kinda true, but plenty variables

I've seen it go both ways. People just getting a loveletter for 50 e's with no other consequence and people getting their houses turned over for as little as 10g hash, I shit you not.

UK Border Force don't have a 'twice and you're out' policy. They don't have the power to arrest and prosecute. They tend to send a notice of seizure a few weeks after seizing, but they inform the relevant police force almost immediately of every single seizure via a simple reporting process and then the police decide what, if anything, to do.

Just better off not importing really unless you're a unicorn with a secure drop

but is the fact that your name and address is on a package enough for them to 'prove' that you're the one who is importing?

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

but is the fact that your name and address is on a package enough for them to 'prove' that you're the one who is importing?

no it isn't

if it was, then we could just send a few pills to Rishi, tip ff the cops and get the fucker done

anyone can send anyone anything

 

[Bleaney]

but is the fact that your name and address is on a package enough for them to 'prove' that you're the one who is importing?

I guess if any defendant had a good solicitor, that might be their argument. Then the prosecution would have to search computers, phones, internet histories, email records and bank statements etc in order to prove anything.

I would guess.

In that those those folk using tor and bitcoin would do better than those who were not, as tor / bitcoin transactions tend to enter an untraceable black hole, where it becomes impossible to "follow the money".

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

I guess if any defendant had a good solicitor, that might be their argument. Then the prosecution would have to search computers, phones, internet histories, email records and bank statements etc in order to prove anything.

I would guess.

wouldn't even get to court, cps wouldn't go for it

 

[Ismene2]

Different forces have differing remits. Border Force are concerned with illegal movement of controlled substances across the British border. If they catch anyone doing this for a second time they will prosecute.

The police have a different remit. I think it's doubtful that they are coordinated with border force. That kind of inter-organisational cooperation in the UK for small time users / customs smugglers? I doubt it. The police will search your house and bust you for possession, but Border Force will prosecute you for smuggling illegals across the border, whether that's in person or via the mail.

This is how I see it. I'm quite sure I'm not wrong about the Border Force part at least.

They are 2 independent forces with different remits acting quite independently. One does not necessarily relate to the other.

How do they prove its yours tho? If you automatically get prosecuted for envelopes in the post then everyone would be posting drugs to people they didnt like so they get 7 years.

 

[Forever Changes]

no it isn't

if it was, then we could just send a few pills to Rishi, tip ff the cops and get the fucker done

anyone can send anyone anything

so if border force did intercept something - even a major haul - addressed to you, what evidence would they need to send you down?

 

[Arnold]

so if border force did intercept something - even a major haul - addressed to you, what evidence would they need to send you down?

ask ismene, your payment details of the company where you ordered from...

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

so if border force did intercept something - even a major haul - addressed to you, what evidence would they need to send you down?

evidence that you knowingly ordered it / asked for it to sent to you I'd imagine